I'm like Herman Munster

On 10/27/2003 12:00 PM, Mike Turco wrote:

Its easy to say, "Get rid of the old habits and replace them with new ones."
What new habits? For example, I wake up about six times a night and hit the
goddamn fridge. What am I supposed to do at 4:30AM? What new habit do I
throw in there?

Got a girlfriend? I can think of at least *one* you could throw in
there. ;-)

When I wake up that early I often come downstairs have a hot cup of
tea and read the newsgroups, post a bit, then make lunches for my 2
boys and make breakfast early before I have to call the boys up at
7:30 am and even start a load of laundry if there are any dirty
clothes lying about.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:43:37 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:


"Jayjay" wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:00:06 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:



I don't know where you're coming from. You caught my attention from the
start, but you're losing me here.

Obviously, from your response - you are not ready to lose weight.
Sorry, this group is not about magic pills and quick fixes. Its also
not always about "oh, it'll be ok, the weight will come off" hugs and
love.

Get over yourself and your attitude and change your mindset. Then
maybe you will find the help you need in here.

I ask, again, are you fat or skinny?

What difference does it make?

Whether I'm fat or skinny shouldn't make a difference at all.

My history is - I didn't have a weight problem until I got pregnant in
my early 20's. After the birth of my son I didn't lose the pregnancy
weight. Then 4 yrs later I had the "divorce diet". Lots of stress,
lack of appetite, lost 30lbs in a matter of a couple months. I was
skinny, but no muscle tone. So, I was still fat/flabby. When life
settled down again, I regained the weight. I then came here and
over the years of participating in the group I've gained a ton of
knowledge and one of the key things that I've learned is - changing a
pattern of weight gain requires changing you eating habits. THe old
habits made me fat, changing them to better habits and always keeping
in mind that returning to those old habits will only make me fat
again.

I am now "skinny" in certain terms. I fit well within the healthy
standard guidelines for height/weight and bodyfat. I now continue
here in this group to 1. maintain my weight, and 2. Help others.

My goals now are fitness and muscle building to combat age.

Mike,

The "new" low carb diet is called the South Beach diet. Low carbs may
help your diabetes. No calorie counting - may be worth a try for you.
Want to skip the book? Just cut out white bread, white potatoes,
refined grains, and added sugars. Keep your carb percentage
relativily low. Eat healthy carbs - fruites, veggies, whole grains,
healthy fats - olive oil, nuts, oily fish, healthy proteins - beans,
fish, lean meats. Follow this website, but keep carbs low:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio.../pyramids.html

"Mike Turco" wrote in message news:Kw5nb.94443$La.81762@fed1read02...
Anybody remember The Munsters? There was the episode where Herman went to
the doctor and broke the doctor's scale? When asked about his weight, Herman
would say he weighed "three times", because the scale went 'round three
times when he got on it.

I feel like that.

And even worse, I have a ton of knowledge about calories, carbs, fat and all
that crap yet I have no idea where to start. For what its worth, I'm an
Atkins drop-out. (I did well on that diet for a while, even better than that
low cal diet I did a few years ago. Every time I bounce back, I bounce back
bigger than before!)

Anyway, I quit smoking almost six months ago. If I can do that, I can loose
weight too, damn it! Somebody please recommend a book or a web page or
something, please. I seem to do well at things when I get onto a program.
Also, if there are any drugs out there I can take, I can at least ask my
doctor for a prescription.

(Do people still do the ECA thing? Does that work well?)

By the weigh, I gotta do something. I have diabetes and fat deposits in my
liver, and I need to lose about a hundred pounds to once again be slim and
healthy.

Mike

Geez, that was a little rough. Being overweight is caused by Mental,
Physical and Emotional reasons. Knowing that something needs to be fixed
and knowing how to fix it is one thing. However, being emotionally ready is
another. I bet most of the posters in here know alot about what they are
supposed to do. I know I've studied it for years myself. However, 25% of
the population is now obese. Knowledge may be power, but it doesn't create
wisdom....

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"Jayjay" wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:25:57 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:

And even worse, I have a ton of knowledge about calories, carbs, fat and
all
that crap yet I have no idea where to start. For what its worth, I'm an
Atkins drop-out. (I did well on that diet for a while, even better than
that
low cal diet I did a few years ago. Every time I bounce back, I bounce
back
bigger than before!)

OK - sorry to be harsh here- but you obviously don't have the "tons of
knowledge about calories, carbs, fats and all that crap..." If you
did - you wouldn't be where you are today.

If atkins worked for you before, there's no reason it won't work for
you again. But, obviously if you've done this before and failed -
then you didn't learn a damned thing.

Calories in vs. calories out. Plain and simple.

What happens is - you seem to be taking the "diet" approach - stay
good enough for long enough to lose the weight - then go back to your
old eating habits. You'll continue to be fat and yoyo until you
realize that its your old eating habits that are making you fat. You
have to get rid of the old habits and replace them with new ones.

You cannot eat the volume, quantity and quality of food you have been
eating. You must change those values.

Bottom line - your eating habits are making you fat. You must make a
permanent change.


Anyway, I quit smoking almost six months ago. If I can do that, I can
loose
weight too, damn it! Somebody please recommend a book or a web page or
something, please. I seem to do well at things when I get onto a program.
Also, if there are any drugs out there I can take, I can at least ask my
doctor for a prescription.

There is no magic pill, and certainly if you are having health
problems because of your weight - it is not recommended to take any
dietary aids, as they can have severe adverse health affects. If you
are willing to go to your doc to ask for a prescription - I suggest
you go to your doc and ask for help. As for a nutritionist,
dietician. If you want to spend money on losing weight - then the
Dietician/Nutritionist way is the best way.

--
Email me at:
perpleglow(AT)comcast.net


"Mike Turco" wrote in message
news:_bcnb.94475$La.70832@fed1read02...

What new habits? For example, I wake up about six times a night and hit
the
goddamn fridge. What am I supposed to do at 4:30AM? What new habit do I
throw in there?

Mike

1) Go watch tv
2) Play on computer
3) Masterbate
4) Read a magazine, something light.... not a book that will draw you in
and make you want to read the whole thing.
5) Walk during the day.... exercise will help you relax and sleep better
6) Drink a big cold glass of water
7) Masterbate (lol)

I think that Jayjay just stated the obvious in an abrupt manner.....

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"Ignoramus4135" wrote in message
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In article aVenb.43964$HS4.183379@attbi_s01, Perple Glow wrote:
Geez, that was a little rough. Being overweight is caused by Mental,
Physical and Emotional reasons. Knowing that something needs to be
fixed
and knowing how to fix it is one thing. However, being emotionally
ready is
another. I bet most of the posters in here know alot about what they
are
supposed to do. I know I've studied it for years myself. However, 25%
of
the population is now obese. Knowledge may be power, but it doesn't
create
wisdom....

I think that jayjay's point is that as long as you continue to put too
much food in your mouth, you cannot lose weight. Whatever the
reason. So for a person who is overweight, what they should start
doing is eat less and exercise more.

25% are obese because they eat too much.

Now if you said that some people eat too much because of various
psychological problems, I would agree with that. But the suggestion to
them is still the same, eat less, exercise more. Excuses and
rationalizations have not made anyone slim.

i
223/176/180

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:25:57 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:

And even worse, I have a ton of knowledge about calories, carbs, fat
and
all
that crap yet I have no idea where to start. For what its worth, I'm
an
Atkins drop-out. (I did well on that diet for a while, even better
than
that
low cal diet I did a few years ago. Every time I bounce back, I bounce
back
bigger than before!)

OK - sorry to be harsh here- but you obviously don't have the "tons of
knowledge about calories, carbs, fats and all that crap..." If you
did - you wouldn't be where you are today.

If atkins worked for you before, there's no reason it won't work for
you again. But, obviously if you've done this before and failed -
then you didn't learn a damned thing.

Calories in vs. calories out. Plain and simple.

What happens is - you seem to be taking the "diet" approach - stay
good enough for long enough to lose the weight - then go back to your
old eating habits. You'll continue to be fat and yoyo until you
realize that its your old eating habits that are making you fat. You
have to get rid of the old habits and replace them with new ones.

You cannot eat the volume, quantity and quality of food you have been
eating. You must change those values.

Bottom line - your eating habits are making you fat. You must make a
permanent change.


Anyway, I quit smoking almost six months ago. If I can do that, I can
loose
weight too, damn it! Somebody please recommend a book or a web page or
something, please. I seem to do well at things when I get onto a
program.
Also, if there are any drugs out there I can take, I can at least ask
my
doctor for a prescription.

There is no magic pill, and certainly if you are having health
problems because of your weight - it is not recommended to take any
dietary aids, as they can have severe adverse health affects. If you
are willing to go to your doc to ask for a prescription - I suggest
you go to your doc and ask for help. As for a nutritionist,
dietician. If you want to spend money on losing weight - then the
Dietician/Nutritionist way is the best way.

"Jayjay" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:25:57 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:

And even worse, I have a ton of knowledge about calories, carbs, fat and
all
that crap yet I have no idea where to start. For what its worth, I'm an
Atkins drop-out. (I did well on that diet for a while, even better than
that
low cal diet I did a few years ago. Every time I bounce back, I bounce
back
bigger than before!)

OK - sorry to be harsh here- but you obviously don't have the "tons of
knowledge about calories, carbs, fats and all that crap..." If you
did - you wouldn't be where you are today.

Normally I don't disagree with you jj so perhaps you just weren't clear this
time but as one who knows, just because you have knowledge of food does not
mean you'll be skinny. It's all a matter of putting that knowledge into
practice. I do agree that if he does have all that knowledge, he should
know where to start though.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:25:33 GMT, "Perple Glow"
wrote:

I think that Jayjay just stated the obvious in an abrupt manner.....

Exactly. This group isn't about sugar coating anything!

The guy says that he's tried and succeeded at both low cal and
atkins/low carb. But his problem is that he stops his way of eating
at some point, and then goes back to old habits and regains the weight
- plus some.

Once you realize that following a life like that, doesn't work then
you've just won half the battle.

This is a wakeup call. Wake up and smell the coffee. Ya wanna lose
weight - then realizing where you are going wrong or failed in the
past will help.

"Mike Turco" wrote in message
news:Kw5nb.94443$La.81762@fed1read02...
Anybody remember The Munsters? There was the episode where Herman went to
the doctor and broke the doctor's scale? When asked about his weight,
Herman
would say he weighed "three times", because the scale went 'round three
times when he got on it.

I feel like that.

And even worse, I have a ton of knowledge about calories, carbs, fat and
all
that crap yet I have no idea where to start. For what its worth, I'm an
Atkins drop-out. (I did well on that diet for a while, even better than
that
low cal diet I did a few years ago. Every time I bounce back, I bounce
back
bigger than before!)

Anyway, I quit smoking almost six months ago. If I can do that, I can
loose
weight too, damn it! Somebody please recommend a book or a web page or
something, please. I seem to do well at things when I get onto a program.
Also, if there are any drugs out there I can take, I can at least ask my
doctor for a prescription.

(Do people still do the ECA thing? Does that work well?)

By the weigh, I gotta do something. I have diabetes and fat deposits in my
liver, and I need to lose about a hundred pounds to once again be slim and
healthy.

Mike

Welcome to the group, Mike.

Try not to think of this as a diet but a new way of eating and exercising.
It takes a lifetime commitment to healthy eating and exercise to lose and
maintain the weight loss. It might be easier to tackle a few changes at a
time. Trying to change everything at once can be very overwhelming and
causes many of us to quit. Losing and gaining a significant amount of
weight time and time again isn't good.

Congrats on quitting smoking. I personally know how tough this can be as I
quit in the mid 90's. It was one of the major reasons for my weight gain.

Most in the group don't follow a specified diet such as Atkins, Weight
Watchers, etc. Instead we try for a healthy diet consisting of protein,
good carbs (whole grains, etc) and good fats. www.fitday.com is a great
place for tracking your food and getting some idea of the carb/protein/fat
ratio. It's free but you need to register.
http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html is another great site for exercise
and diet information. It's geared toward women but there's excellent info
for everyone.

Take a look at your current diet and determine where you can cut the
calories - water instead of sodas, whole grain bread for white bread, cutout
junk foods, etc. Be sure to drink plenty of water and add some exercise to
your daily routine. Track your foods in fitday and see where your calories
are coming from. Stick around the newsgroup and you'll learn many other
ways to get into a healthy eating and exercise mode.

Beverly

"Jayjay" wrote in message
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I ask, again, are you fat or skinny?

What difference does it make?

Whether I'm fat or skinny shouldn't make a difference at all.

This is a support group. You're not here for support. You're here to stroke
your ego.

My history is - I didn't have a weight problem until I got pregnant in
my early 20's. After the birth of my son I didn't lose the pregnancy
weight. Then 4 yrs later I had the "divorce diet". Lots of stress,
lack of appetite, lost 30lbs in a matter of a couple months. I was
skinny, but no muscle tone. So, I was still fat/flabby.

So you lost thirty pounds some years ago.

"What's that, Ms J? You drank a six pack of beer one time, and now you want
to run our AA meetings?"

When life
settled down again, I regained the weight. I then came here and
over the years of participating in the group I've gained a ton of
knowledge and one of the key things that I've learned is - changing a
pattern of weight gain requires changing you eating habits.

You didn't go to school. Its not like you're a dietician. Then you caught on
to groupthink and now you're a self proclaimed expert.

THe old
habits made me fat, changing them to better habits and always keeping
in mind that returning to those old habits will only make me fat
again.

I am now "skinny" in certain terms. I fit well within the healthy
standard guidelines for height/weight and bodyfat. I now continue
here in this group to 1. maintain my weight, and 2. Help others.


Sorry, hun, but anybody can read a newsgroup for two years and proclaim
themselves expert. I really don't appreciate the way you chastised me, and
now I see who you are.

Where the things you said "correct". Gee, I don't know. Who you are screams
so loudly I can hardly hear what you are saying.


My goals now are fitness and muscle building to combat age.

Your goals are to have others acknowledge you, and its easy to gain
recognition, no? You simply repeat what others say.

Anyway, no use in fighting here. I really don't appreciate the way you
lashed out at me, you were out of line. If you were fat like me, or like the
others in this group who are here for legitimate reasons, I would have
looked at your post in a whole different way.

So, then, I'm here to lose weight, not to argue with or be judged by skinny
people. Thanks anyway.

Mike