How to get fat without even trying

"Jayjay" wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:18:34 -0500, jmk
wrote:

Well, part of the point that they were trying to make is that kids don't
understand marketing (that someone is trying to get them to buy
something, may not be telling the whole truth, may be making exagerated
claims, etc.). There is no debate over the fact that kids don't
understand this. The debate is over when they do. Kraft Foods says 6
yo. Others think that it's a lot closer to 10 yo.

"Last year there were more than 2,800 new candies, desserts, ice creams
and snacks on the market - but only 230 new fruit or vegetable products."



I can say I experience this in RL myself with my son. He is now 10
yrs old, and I know that over the years we've seen him come around.
I'll say it happens sometime between 6 and 10 yrs of age. Before 6
its "mommy, lets buy such and such because it does such.".. but age
10 its "yeah right, like that is really true..."

He's learned the hard way - by buying some things that promise such
high expectations, only to be heart broken by a half-assed toy.
Hotwheels cars don't move on their own power. Barbie can't walk or
dance on her own. Once they learn those 2 principles, seeing the
false advertising begins to come easier.

Oxyclean was one such product. You see the commercial for the
miracle cleaner, buy a canister and show it to the kids who think this
is their savior for getting in trouble when the go out an play in
their new clothes. Well, they learn quickly that mommy still gets
mad because Oxyclean doesn't clean like its supposed to and that $20
pair of new pants are ruined. :-)

They quickly learn that toys for themselves and items for adults - the
way its marketed isn't always the truth.

DS has been pretty accepting of this for a few years. He wants to see
his toys before buying them. That way he knows if it does what its
supposed to or not. But, he can still fall for the dreams. We all
do. That's why these products sell.


Sounds like a smart DS being raised by a smart DM! Unfortunately "they"
doesn't include the whole population or we wouldn't be bombarded by the
constant advertising since a marketing campaign that doesn't "work" doesn't
run long.

Tonia

"Perple Gyrl" wrote in message
news
Teaching her to eat that way is great. However that won't guaranty that
she
won't have a weight issue. I was brought up with healthy food in the
house.
I used to secretly eat in my room and hide food in there when I was as
young
as 12 or 13.

There is no way to monitor everything they eat.

I still don't think kids need to be monitored. And I can't see her eating
in her bedroom, because if there's something she really wants in way of junk
food, I'll usually let her have it, as long as she's had something
nutritious beforehand. Were you not allowed to eat junk food as a kid? I'm
just wondering why you ate in your room secretly.

When I was a kid, we were dirt poor. We ate a LOT of potatoes, and
pancakes - things that you could prepare cheap. We didn't eat all that
well, and there was very little variety. We couldn't even afford things
like real juice. We drank a ton of koolaid. I remember lots of times being
hungry, or being so tired of top ramen and macaroni I couldn't eat.
Whenever I got a little money, I'd buy crazy stuff like tubes of cookie
dough or cans of cherry pie filling and I'd eat it in the barn or in my
room. I'd hide my "stash" of candy or anything else I was able to get my
hands on. As an adult, I have food issues, in that I must have a full
pantry in order to feel secure. I spend more on food than I really should,
and since we ate so much generic black and white label crappy food when I
was younger that I end up buying premium brand stuff because I CAN. There
are also certain foods I refuse to buy - top ramen for one.

Despite all this, I have never been more than 50 lbs overweight, and that
was after having my daughter.

det

Teaching her to eat that way is great. However that won't guaranty that she
won't have a weight issue. I was brought up with healthy food in the house.
I used to secretly eat in my room and hide food in there when I was as young
as 12 or 13.

There is no way to monitor everything they eat.

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"determined" wrote in message
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"Perple Gyrl" wrote in message
news
I agree. However, I am not a parent but I am assuming that it is hard
for
a
parent to monitor their kids 24/7 though.

The good news is that if you teach your children to have relatively good
eating habits, you don't need to monitor them 24/7. My 6 yr old daughter
packs her own lunch. She has a drawer and cupboard with things like
crackers, fruit leather, granola bars, etc. Then in the fridge I always
have a selection of hard boiled eggs, yogurt, fresh fruit, cheese sticks,
fruit cups, etc. She does a great job of packing her lunch. Her usual
breakfast is oatmeal, or toast and scrambled eggs.

Of course, we have pizza sometimes, eat oreo cookies and ice cream, etc.
I
don't find it neccessary to eliminate that stuff from the house, but make
sure that eating is balanced most of the time.

Eating is an important aspect of health, but staying active is also very
important. I'm teaching my daughter to ski this year so that we will have
a
family activity throughout the yucky weather months, and we all have
bicycles so we do alot of riding during the spring and summer too.

det

My childhood caused my compulsive eating disorder. My mom always had fruit
and veggies in the house. However, I went through some serious depression
where food was a comfort to me. I am not saying that everyone's kids need
to be watched like a hawk... as everyone is different. My family had no
idea that I was doing this.

Even before I started my diet a few months ago, I would eat normally in
front of people and wait to be alone to relax and binge. I am trying to
come face to face with my issues and have a "normal" relationship with food
now.

I am posting here (when I have time) to try to help me deal with the fact
that I have a problem. I want more then anything to not spend the rest of
my life fat and obsessive about food. I want to be healthy. I wish I had
as much time to post as I used to. I started a new job last month and don't
have as much free time....

284/225/199/???
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"determined" wrote in message
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"Perple Gyrl" wrote in message
news
Teaching her to eat that way is great. However that won't guaranty that
she
won't have a weight issue. I was brought up with healthy food in the
house.
I used to secretly eat in my room and hide food in there when I was as
young
as 12 or 13.

There is no way to monitor everything they eat.

I still don't think kids need to be monitored. And I can't see her eating
in her bedroom, because if there's something she really wants in way of
junk
food, I'll usually let her have it, as long as she's had something
nutritious beforehand. Were you not allowed to eat junk food as a kid?
I'm
just wondering why you ate in your room secretly.

When I was a kid, we were dirt poor. We ate a LOT of potatoes, and
pancakes - things that you could prepare cheap. We didn't eat all that
well, and there was very little variety. We couldn't even afford things
like real juice. We drank a ton of koolaid. I remember lots of times
being
hungry, or being so tired of top ramen and macaroni I couldn't eat.
Whenever I got a little money, I'd buy crazy stuff like tubes of cookie
dough or cans of cherry pie filling and I'd eat it in the barn or in my
room. I'd hide my "stash" of candy or anything else I was able to get my
hands on. As an adult, I have food issues, in that I must have a full
pantry in order to feel secure. I spend more on food than I really
should,
and since we ate so much generic black and white label crappy food when I
was younger that I end up buying premium brand stuff because I CAN. There
are also certain foods I refuse to buy - top ramen for one.

Despite all this, I have never been more than 50 lbs overweight, and that
was after having my daughter.

det

"That T Woman" wrote in message
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"Jayjay" wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:18:34 -0500, jmk
wrote:

Well, part of the point that they were trying to make is that kids
don't
understand marketing (that someone is trying to get them to buy
something, may not be telling the whole truth, may be making exagerated
claims, etc.). There is no debate over the fact that kids don't
understand this. The debate is over when they do. Kraft Foods says 6
yo. Others think that it's a lot closer to 10 yo.

"Last year there were more than 2,800 new candies, desserts, ice creams
and snacks on the market - but only 230 new fruit or vegetable
products."



I can say I experience this in RL myself with my son. He is now 10
yrs old, and I know that over the years we've seen him come around.
I'll say it happens sometime between 6 and 10 yrs of age. Before 6
its "mommy, lets buy such and such because it does such.".. but age
10 its "yeah right, like that is really true..."

He's learned the hard way - by buying some things that promise such
high expectations, only to be heart broken by a half-assed toy.
Hotwheels cars don't move on their own power. Barbie can't walk or
dance on her own. Once they learn those 2 principles, seeing the
false advertising begins to come easier.

Oxyclean was one such product. You see the commercial for the
miracle cleaner, buy a canister and show it to the kids who think this
is their savior for getting in trouble when the go out an play in
their new clothes. Well, they learn quickly that mommy still gets
mad because Oxyclean doesn't clean like its supposed to and that $20
pair of new pants are ruined. :-)

They quickly learn that toys for themselves and items for adults - the
way its marketed isn't always the truth.

DS has been pretty accepting of this for a few years. He wants to see
his toys before buying them. That way he knows if it does what its
supposed to or not. But, he can still fall for the dreams. We all
do. That's why these products sell.


Sounds like a smart DS being raised by a smart DM! Unfortunately "they"
doesn't include the whole population or we wouldn't be bombarded by the
constant advertising since a marketing campaign that doesn't "work"
doesn't
run long.

Tonia

Personal responsibility is very important. Some people spend money on the
lottery, instead of putting their money away in savings. People have to
think for themselves and look out after their own safety. How many people
really save enough for retirement? Not many, I'd say. They still think
someone is there to look out after them, even when they make stupid
decisions. I think that's the wrong way to act. I know I am responsible for
myself; no one else is.

Martha