Eating less does not result in weight loss

Alfred Einstead writes:

... since the bathroom is where and when most
weight loss actually takes place.

No, it isn't. Most weight loss (loss of fat, that is) occurs through
breathing.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Mr. F. Le Mur writes:


True, but I think the idea is if you don't eat anough fat, then
you still have cravings (for fat) and eat more calories-worth
of stuff with less fat.


It's funny how people elsewhere in the world manage to remain thin
without having to worry about how much fat or carbs they are eating,
isn't it?


It's always a tradeoff between calories (energy) and work done
(exercise). A bicycle racer who competes with Lance Armstrong might eat
8,000 calories per day, and be as thin as the tires on his bicycle. A
couch potato might get fat eating 2,000 calories per day.

A lot of it is life style. A life sitting in front of a PC tends to use
little energy and fatten up -- which is a survival mode for a species
that once experienced famines. A life style that includes activity,
mowing lawns, walking to the shops, or working other than at a desk,
causes the body to prefer being thinner to reduce energy consumption and
enable activity -- another survival mode for a species that relied on
hunting and active food gathering.

If you don't get enough to eat, instead of losing pounds right away your
brain thinks you ought to sit more to conserve. However, the laws of
thermodynamics ALWAYS hold in the end. Energy is conserved. Energy out
equals energy in plus or minus a draw from the reserve accounts.

Bob

Bob Ward wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:57:24 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

SuperSpark ® writes:


Is this why concentration camp victims were so fat?

Concentration camp victims were lard balls because they ate too many
empty calories in the form of carbs (bread rations, etc.). Some of them
also got empty calories in the form of rancid grease. This is why they
stayed enormously fat enough though they hardly ate any calories at all.
They were living proof that you can gain weight no matter how few
calories you eat. How can anyone dispute this hard evidence?



What "hard evidence" are you talking about? All I see are your
unsupported claims.



He defies the laws of thermodynamics.

He's invented perpetual motion.

Bob

It's funny how people elsewhere in the world manage to remain thin
without having to worry about how much fat or carbs they are eating,
isn't it?

Just got back from a 10 day trip to Spain. There are two fundamental
reasons why the Spanish are thinner than Americans:

1. They walk everywhere, especially in the small towns, which in many
cases aren't even well-structured for cars.

2. They smoke. Like chimneys.

C//

Mxsmanic wrote:

Mr. F. Le Mur writes:

True, but I think the idea is if you don't eat anough fat, then
you still have cravings (for fat) and eat more calories-worth
of stuff with less fat.

It's funny how people elsewhere in the world manage to remain thin
without having to worry about how much fat or carbs they are eating,
isn't it?


I haven't had to count calories since upping the fat content
of my diet. (I add olive oil to salads) Also, my skin (I have mild
ichthyosis) and hair are in wonderful shape.

Crafting Mom
http://ca.photos.yahoo.com/craftingmom2001
Modified WOL since spring '02 || Weight at start: over 250 lb
Today's weight: 180.5 lb || Goal/Maintenance: 140 lb

Mxsmanic wrote in message ...
Mr. F. Le Mur writes:

True, but I think the idea is if you don't eat anough fat, then
you still have cravings (for fat) and eat more calories-worth
of stuff with less fat.

It's funny how people elsewhere in the world manage to remain thin
without having to worry about how much fat or carbs they are eating,
isn't it?

Yes it is. As it is also funny that a high-carb/low fat/low protein diet
works for SOME people, while a high-protein/low carb diet works for
SOME people, while eating only pineapple and tree frogs works for
SOME people... yet there is not a single diet or practice that works
for ALL people, including eating less and exercising more.

SuperSpark ® wrote in message ...
In article ,
"Michael Snyder" wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote in message ...
Bob Ward writes:

Eating less doesn't necessarily GUARANTEE weight loss.

It does if it results in consuming fewer calories than you burn.
Otherwise it does not.

But eating less often CAUSES you to burn less calories --
so the simple equation is obviously invalid.


You don't burn less than your BMR, no matter what you eat.

Absurd. There is no such thing as a BMR.
If I lie in bed all day and eat, I will consume more calories
than I will if I lie in bed all day and fast.

Mxsmanic wrote in message ...
Michael Snyder writes:

Bull****. Utterly and completely absurd.

I'm afraid that emotional outbursts do not persuade me.

For the most trivial example, your simple formula
completely ignores what KIND of calories one consumes.

That's because all dietary calories are the same.

Right. That's why the all-fat diet works so well.

Mxsmanic wrote in message . ..
Ralph DuBose writes:

The real difference between "naturally" thin people and the
easy-to-be-fat variety is in the difference in the amount of
spontaneous, unconscious activity that is carried out. Fat people just
sit there. Thin people squirm, fidget, climb around in their chair.

The real difference is that thin people eat less food than fat people.


I was referring to the type of difference that is actually
genetically determined to a large degree and that effects energy
consumption.


Fat people claim that thin people "eat all they want" and never gain
weight. Well, thin people don't want to eat very much. If you actually
observe what thin people eat during the course of a single day, and what
fat people eat during the course of a day, it's very easy to see why the
thin people stay thin, and the fat people stay fat.

Exercise per se may not burn huge amounts of calories but it
increases muscle tone and makes it more likely that a person will be
more mobile and active in every area of life.

Exercise is always a good thing. However, one should not assume (as fat
people often do) that increasing exercise makes eating restrictions
unnecessary. To lose weight, you really _must_ eat less; most fat
people cannot afford to exercise enough to burn off all the calories
they consume by overeating, and often they are in such poor shape that
exercising to that extreme might be dangerous. So cutting calories is
necessary whether you exercise or not, and fat people who think that
they can just exercise a bit more and become thin, while still eating
double portions at every meal, are dreaming.

Sure, anyone can eat faster than they can run but they usually
cannot eat while they are running.

Mxsmanic wrote in message ...
Michael Snyder writes:

But eating less often CAUSES you to burn less calories --

No, it does not. Losing weight will reduce the number of calories you
burn, however (since there is less of you to keep nourished).

Fascinating -- no wonder you are a billionaire, since you are able to
reliably help anyone lose weight. Your advice works, where so many
others does not, so you must be richer than God.