Did you see the diet comparisons?

Today on NBC, I think, they talked about the study that someone
reviewed in this group a week ago. Anyway, it gave you visually a
comparison of a typical dinner for the Zone, Atkins, and Ornish diets.
Some lady reviewed the study saying that people lost weight on all
three, but Atkins was the best after 10 months. She pointed out also
that people in the study cheated...eating too much fat on the Ornish
diet, etc. Still overall, all 3 diets worked. The reason of course is
people were still eating fewer calories, even if they cheated. I'm
rehashing this cause someone already talked about it. The thing that
stood out to me though was visually, looking at the representative
plates of food. You had Atkins with some chicken and something else on
it....and quite a bit of plate showing. The Zone had a bit more food
on it...but not much....but the Ornish plate had a LOT of food...not
bottom of the plate showing there. It was stacked with great food
including 2 slices of bread. I will never ever give up bread. It ain't
the protein either folks cause protein and carbs have the same no. of
calories. It's the fat that makes you eat less in order to stay on the
diet. That's less by weight, not calories, since fat has concentrated
calories.

To me, the choice was clear. I want FOOD. Someone could try and make a
point that fat (or protein) might be more filling, or stay with you
longer, or curb appetite. All I know is there is a difference of
opinion on that. Although Atkins might have better results at 10
months, I would go for the high carb Ornish diet and MORE FOOD. Not
even close. dkw

wrote
To me, the choice was clear. I want FOOD.

And see, I don't. Again, I know it's a head thing with me, but I feel
more in control, more **powerful**, more....
I don't know, more sanctimoniously smug and PURE when I'm dieting and
running on empty. Just reading your
description of the Ornish, the two piecs of bread, made me break out in a
cold sweat.

Although Atkins might have better results at 10 months, I would go for
the high carb Ornish diet and MORE FOOD. Not even close.

I had a bowl of greens and a can of tuna for dinner. Dressing was ONE
tablespoon of 50% lite ranch dressing, stretched with a teaspoon of garlic
olive oil, three teaspoons of garlic wine vinegar and thinned out with
water. Crunchy add-ins of
chopped almonds, celery flakes and four, count 'em, FOUR garlic croutons. I
angsted over the ranch dressing and the friggin' croutons. I'm making
myself nuts.


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upper body muscle groups--this one triceps, this one
delts and traps---

gizzie: Which one will help me get my boobs pointing
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To me, the choice was clear. I want FOOD. Someone could try and make a
point that fat (or protein) might be more filling, or stay with you
longer, or curb appetite. All I know is there is a difference of
opinion on that. Although Atkins might have better results at 10
months, I would go for the high carb Ornish diet and MORE FOOD. Not
even close. dkw


Forgive me here, but I've never looked into the Ornish diet. What would a
typical dinner consist of?

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:03:58 -0500, "LFM"
wrote:


wrote in message
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To me, the choice was clear. I want FOOD. Someone could try and make a
point that fat (or protein) might be more filling, or stay with you
longer, or curb appetite. All I know is there is a difference of
opinion on that. Although Atkins might have better results at 10
months, I would go for the high carb Ornish diet and MORE FOOD. Not
even close. dkw


Forgive me here, but I've never looked into the Ornish diet. What would a
typical dinner consist of?


Butting in here, as I'm not the one who posted about this originally:
Ornish is a virtually fat-free diet. Hence it's vegetarian. Only
fat-free dairy is permitted. I think pretty much the only fats
considered acceptable are those occurring naturally in fruits and
veggies. I'm not sure about the low levels of fats that are generally
found in bread and such.

As I understand it, Ornish initially published this more as a strategy
for heart health; weight loss is a side effect, in general. A close
friend of mine did it for about a year due to a desire to try to lower
his cholesterol without drugs, but ultimately couldn't stick with it
because it's so restrictive. He did lose a fair bit of weight, though
that wasn't his reason for doing it. It also lowered his cholesterol
some, but not really enough. This was several years ago -- now he has
gained back the weight and gone on Lipitor :-(.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

On Mar 14, 7:19 pm, Chris Braun wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:03:58 -0500, "LFM"
wrote:



wrote in message
roups.com...

To me, the choice was clear. I want FOOD. Someone could try and make a
point that fat (or protein) might be more filling, or stay with you
longer, or curb appetite. All I know is there is a difference of
opinion on that. Although Atkins might have better results at 10
months, I would go for the high carb Ornish diet and MORE FOOD. Not
even close. dkw

Forgive me here, but I've never looked into the Ornish diet. What would a
typical dinner consist of?

Butting in here, as I'm not the one who posted about this originally:
Ornish is a virtually fat-free diet. Hence it's vegetarian. Only
fat-free dairy is permitted. I think pretty much the only fats
considered acceptable are those occurring naturally in fruits and
veggies. I'm not sure about the low levels of fats that are generally
found in bread and such.

As I understand it, Ornish initially published this more as a strategy
for heart health; weight loss is a side effect, in general. A close
friend of mine did it for about a year due to a desire to try to lower
his cholesterol without drugs, but ultimately couldn't stick with it
because it's so restrictive. He did lose a fair bit of weight, though
that wasn't his reason for doing it. It also lowered his cholesterol
some, but not really enough. This was several years ago -- now he has
gained back the weight and gone on Lipitor :-(.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

Apparently the Ornish diet is much like the Pritikin diet and that's
one of the downsides mentioned about Pritikin -- that it was difficult
to stick with. (I'm pretty sure that my vegetarian daughter would have
little difficulty sticking with Ornish or Pritikin -- it's pretty much
her choice now.)

Caleb

On 14 Mar 2007 16:43:13 -0700, "
wrote:

Today on NBC, I think, they talked about the study that someone
reviewed in this group a week ago. Anyway, it gave you visually a
comparison of a typical dinner for the Zone, Atkins, and Ornish diets.
Some lady reviewed the study saying that people lost weight on all
three, but Atkins was the best after 10 months. She pointed out also
that people in the study cheated...eating too much fat on the Ornish
diet, etc. Still overall, all 3 diets worked. The reason of course is
people were still eating fewer calories, even if they cheated. I'm
rehashing this cause someone already talked about it. The thing that
stood out to me though was visually, looking at the representative
plates of food. You had Atkins with some chicken and something else on
it....and quite a bit of plate showing. The Zone had a bit more food
on it...but not much....but the Ornish plate had a LOT of food...not
bottom of the plate showing there. It was stacked with great food
including 2 slices of bread. I will never ever give up bread. It ain't
the protein either folks cause protein and carbs have the same no. of
calories. It's the fat that makes you eat less in order to stay on the
diet. That's less by weight, not calories, since fat has concentrated
calories.

To me, the choice was clear. I want FOOD. Someone could try and make a
point that fat (or protein) might be more filling, or stay with you
longer, or curb appetite. All I know is there is a difference of
opinion on that. Although Atkins might have better results at 10
months, I would go for the high carb Ornish diet and MORE FOOD. Not
even close. dkw

No, I didn't see that, but I recall watching a show about a month ago.
I think it was The Zone. They talked to the guy (doctor I think) who
developed it. He said one one of the keys is to buy and eat fresh
vegetables every day.

How unrealistic to think most people could or would do that. Just
like a doctor to think that most of us mortals have the time and
inclination to do that. No wonder people quit diets so quickly.

Rick

On 14 Mar 2007 21:14:26 -0700, "Caleb" wrote:

On Mar 14, 7:19 pm, Chris Braun wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:03:58 -0500, "LFM"
wrote:



wrote in message
roups.com...

To me, the choice was clear. I want FOOD. Someone could try and make a
point that fat (or protein) might be more filling, or stay with you
longer, or curb appetite. All I know is there is a difference of
opinion on that. Although Atkins might have better results at 10
months, I would go for the high carb Ornish diet and MORE FOOD. Not
even close. dkw

Forgive me here, but I've never looked into the Ornish diet. What would a
typical dinner consist of?

Butting in here, as I'm not the one who posted about this originally:
Ornish is a virtually fat-free diet. Hence it's vegetarian. Only
fat-free dairy is permitted. I think pretty much the only fats
considered acceptable are those occurring naturally in fruits and
veggies. I'm not sure about the low levels of fats that are generally
found in bread and such.

As I understand it, Ornish initially published this more as a strategy
for heart health; weight loss is a side effect, in general. A close
friend of mine did it for about a year due to a desire to try to lower
his cholesterol without drugs, but ultimately couldn't stick with it
because it's so restrictive. He did lose a fair bit of weight, though
that wasn't his reason for doing it. It also lowered his cholesterol
some, but not really enough. This was several years ago -- now he has
gained back the weight and gone on Lipitor :-(.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

Apparently the Ornish diet is much like the Pritikin diet and that's
one of the downsides mentioned about Pritikin -- that it was difficult
to stick with. (I'm pretty sure that my vegetarian daughter would have
little difficulty sticking with Ornish or Pritikin -- it's pretty much
her choice now.)

Caleb

I'm recalling another reason my friend stopped doing it: In order to
get enough protein, he was eating quite a lot of legumes, and he began
having a lot of trouble digesting them. That kind of diet isn't easy
on some people's digestive systems.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

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To me, the choice was clear. I want FOOD. Someone could try and make a
point that fat (or protein) might be more filling, or stay with you
longer, or curb appetite. All I know is there is a difference of
opinion on that. Although Atkins might have better results at 10
months, I would go for the high carb Ornish diet and MORE FOOD. Not
even close. dkw

To me, the choice is clear as well--perhaps I could *feel* like I'm
eating more food on the Ornish diet, but I would be hungry all of the
time. Fat, regardless of what you might think, is absolutely necessary
for your health.

I have read that, in many cases, a high fat/high protein diet
(atkins/protein power) leads cholesterol levels to decrease, and insulin
levels to stabilize. And the folks following these eating plans aren't
ravenous, and they only feel deprived when they dream of cookies.

Amy
Turning the food pyramid upside down might be a good thing.

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On Mar 14, 7:27 pm, "XXXXgizzieXXXX" wrote:
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To me, the choice was clear. I want FOOD.

And see, I don't. Again, I know it's a head thing with me, but I feel
more in control, more **powerful**, more....
I don't know, more sanctimoniously smug and PURE when I'm dieting and
running on empty. Just reading your
description of the Ornish, the two piecs of bread, made me break out in a
cold sweat.

Although Atkins might have better results at 10 months, I would go for
the high carb Ornish diet and MORE FOOD. Not even close.

I had a bowl of greens and a can of tuna for dinner. Dressing was ONE
tablespoon of 50% lite ranch dressing, stretched with a teaspoon of garlic
olive oil, three teaspoons of garlic wine vinegar and thinned out with
water. Crunchy add-ins of
chopped almonds, celery flakes and four, count 'em, FOUR garlic croutons. I
angsted over the ranch dressing and the friggin' croutons. I'm making
myself nuts.

--
XXXXXXgizzieXXXXXX
223/176/120
************************************************** ***************
Voe: All these benches help you work the various
upper body muscle groups--this one triceps, this one
delts and traps---

gizzie: Which one will help me get my boobs pointing
back in the right direction???

Personal Training, lesson two
************************************************** ***************

Whatever works. Your food choices would not work for me. I couldn't
eat of what I consider filling food if I ate oils, nuts, dressing and
meat. Different strokes for different folks. dkw

On Mar 14, 8:03 pm, "LFM" wrote:
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To me, the choice was clear. I want FOOD. Someone could try and make a
point that fat (or protein) might be more filling, or stay with you
longer, or curb appetite. All I know is there is a difference of
opinion on that. Although Atkins might have better results at 10
months, I would go for the high carb Ornish diet and MORE FOOD. Not
even close. dkw

Forgive me here, but I've never looked into the Ornish diet. What would a
typical dinner consist of?

Ornish is very low fat, adequate, but not high protein and higher
carb...almost the opposite of Atkins. Most of the protein comes from
vegetable sources. You get a lot of choice. There are no meals that
you buy. He is a doctor, not a marketer, and I trust his judgement and
expertise. dkw