Carbs

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:34:09 -0500, "Susan Jones-Anderson"
wrote:

The bad carbs I'm bringing to the
table is mostly from cheese. I adore cheese and it's been the hardest
for me to curb.

I'm a little confused about this. Cheese is not at all high in carbs;
most of its calories come from fat and protein. In fact, low-carb
dieters usually eat cheese pretty freely. If you are eating enough
cheese that you're worrying about its carb count, it seems like you're
eating a lot of cheese. And cheese is quite high in calories due to
its fat content. Cutting back a bit on cheese might be a wise diet
choice because of its calories, but doing it just to lower carbs seems
odd.

Chris

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:32:56 -0500, "Susan Jones-Anderson"
wrote:

That's the thing though Ig, They ARE "good carbs" Just I feel there are
too many of them. So I'm wondering which ones to drop or cut back on as
I do want to lower my carb intake and max my exercise at the same time
and see what the results are for me.

And Thanksgiving mention wasn't due to the holiday and the food intake
etc, It was just a date to throw out there, I could have as easily said
'end of Nov.'

I don't think its a lofty goal at all. I've been hangin out around 220
and 219 for several weeks now. It's time for a big push. If I don't
quite make it under 200.. so what. At least I tried

Now.. according to my Atkins book I am having too many fruit carbs.. So
I may start there with my apples and banana's and move to berries and
something else, that's what I wanted suggestions about.

Susan
260/219/160


I'm kind of inclined to agree with Iggy that 20 lbs. in 2 months is a
pretty ambitious goal. It doesn't hurt to have an ambitious goal as
long as (a) you don't starve yourself to reach it, and (b) you don't
allow yourself to become discouraged if you don't.

Looking at the math, a 20 lb. loss requires a deficit of 70,000
calories (3500 per pound). Divided over the 56 days between now and
Thanksgiving (assuming it's on Nov. 20, which is what I think), that
would require a deficit of 1250 calories per day below what is needed
to maintain your weight (taking exercise into account). That's quite
a bit -- maybe more than is healthy.

I've averaged a little under 6 lbs. per month over the 14.5 months
I've been dieting -- lately closer to 4 lbs. I think 10 would be
awfully hard for me. But your experience may differ. I certainly
wish you success :-).

Chris

Wow -- you have a very active life! But it seems that might make it
harder to get by the sort of calorie deficit it would take to lose 10
lbs/month. You need good nutrition to do all that stuff. But you
need to listen to your own body and do what makes sense for you.

Chris

Susan,

Great choices for your carbs. BTW - sticking the fiber ryes in the
microwave for a minute and a half makes them crisper. Good news about
diary product carbs - generally they have a low glycemic index - they
are "good " carbs. I'm not an Atkin's fan - so your 80g of carbs (320
calories) sounds quite low to me. My opinion and woe is to eat 40% to
50% of calories as good carbs. Eating over 40% fats can lower your
insulin sensitivity - eating too much protein may lead to
inflammation - hence the need to eat good carbs. Do you have the
"apple shape?" If so, you may have problems with blood glucose,
insulin sensitivity - and be prone to diabetes. Anyhow, please judge
for yourself by reviewing the Harvard nutrition site:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio.../pyramids.html and consider
buying Dr. Willett's book.


"Susan Jones-Anderson" wrote in message ...
That's the thing though Ig, They ARE "good carbs" Just I feel there are
too many of them. So I'm wondering which ones to drop or cut back on as
I do want to lower my carb intake and max my exercise at the same time
and see what the results are for me.

And Thanksgiving mention wasn't due to the holiday and the food intake
etc, It was just a date to throw out there, I could have as easily said
'end of Nov.'

I don't think its a lofty goal at all. I've been hangin out around 220
and 219 for several weeks now. It's time for a big push. If I don't
quite make it under 200.. so what. At least I tried

Now.. according to my Atkins book I am having too many fruit carbs.. So
I may start there with my apples and banana's and move to berries and
something else, that's what I wanted suggestions about.

Susan
260/219/160

---
2weeks 2days 6:31hours of being smoke-free, 650 cigs not smoked, $120.25
saved, 2day 6:10hours of my life saved


"Ignoramus21432" wrote in message
...
Based on what you described, all your carbs are excellent -- just make
sure you do not eat too much.

As for thankgiving, no one said that you have to stuff yourself with
food. Just eat the normal quantity.

As for you trying to drop from 219 to "well under 200 mark" by
thanksgiving, I would say that it is a lofty goal and perhaps way too
lofty. That's about 10 lbs per month. Doable, but something to be
careful about. I did 12 lbs per month, but I never set it as a goal,
it was an accident.

It is not worth it to drop out of your diet altogether due to
incorrectly set arbitrary goals.

i

In article , Susan Jones-Anderson
wrote:
I am currently intaking about 70-80 grams of what I consider to be
"good
carbs" per day on my WOE as it stands right now. I am getting them
from
my whole wheat bread, oatmeal and Wasa Fiber Rye, fruit such as
banana,
apple and my veggies such as tomatoes. The bad carbs I'm bringing to
the
table is mostly from cheese. I adore cheese and it's been the
hardest
for me to curb. I would like to decrease both the good and the bad
I'm
eating. Not forever per se, but I feel like I am need to be real
careful
and determined the next few weeks before the holidays and I would
like
to be well under the 200 mark by Thanksgiving. I have increased my
exercise since my quitting smoking so I'm where I want to be right
now
exercise wise.

Any suggestions on my trying to fine tune my carb intake?

Susan
260/219/160

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$119.88
saved, 2day 6:00hours of my life saved

Meant calories, not carbs.. sorry. Fat and fat calories.
Susan
260/219/160
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$123.40 saved, 2day 7:35hours of my life saved


"Chris Braun" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:34:09 -0500, "Susan Jones-Anderson"
wrote:

The bad carbs I'm bringing to the
table is mostly from cheese. I adore cheese and it's been the hardest
for me to curb.

I'm a little confused about this. Cheese is not at all high in carbs;
most of its calories come from fat and protein. In fact, low-carb
dieters usually eat cheese pretty freely. If you are eating enough
cheese that you're worrying about its carb count, it seems like you're
eating a lot of cheese. And cheese is quite high in calories due to
its fat content. Cutting back a bit on cheese might be a wise diet
choice because of its calories, but doing it just to lower carbs seems
odd.

Chris

I did Atkins for 3 years and went from 324 to 226. Obviously, I've been off
for 2 years and gained alot of it back. I think the issue with cheese is
that it can stall some people that are lactose intollerant.... I had no
problem eating cheese and losing weight though when I was on it.

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"Chris Braun" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:34:09 -0500, "Susan Jones-Anderson"
wrote:

The bad carbs I'm bringing to the
table is mostly from cheese. I adore cheese and it's been the hardest
for me to curb.

I'm a little confused about this. Cheese is not at all high in carbs;
most of its calories come from fat and protein. In fact, low-carb
dieters usually eat cheese pretty freely. If you are eating enough
cheese that you're worrying about its carb count, it seems like you're
eating a lot of cheese. And cheese is quite high in calories due to
its fat content. Cutting back a bit on cheese might be a wise diet
choice because of its calories, but doing it just to lower carbs seems
odd.

Chris

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:29:57 -0500, "Susan Jones-Anderson"
wrote:

Meant calories, not carbs.. sorry. Fat and fat calories.
Susan
260/219/160

Ah, thanks for the clarification. This makes far more sense!

I love cheese too, but I save it for the occasional treat now. I do
eat a lot of the fat-free stuff -- not the same as real cheese but
better than nothing.

I handle real cheese like I do most other "treat" foods. I don't
bring it into the house, so I just eat it occasionally at restaurants
or social events (like wine tastings).

Chris

Let us know how this goes. I'm always looking for ways to keep the carbs
under control, too. I have the book but I've never finished reading
it........ BRBR

it's kind cool so far....it's 29.95 for 6 weeks and then 6.95 each month
thereafter...it takes you through the 3 phases. Helps with recipes, meal
planning and then also gives you a shopping list. So far today...no bread, rice
or pasta, or potatoes for that matter...i can say that is an absolute first for
me.

I'm looking at this more of a WOE to see if it helps me with my cravings,
etc...and mainly to see if I feel better and don't get the lows. If not after a
month, then I am going to get blood work done.


Love, laughter and friendship

Lisa in Dallas
www.beautycafe.com

I
have a 600 acre cattle ranch and care for my livestock myself. I lift
50lb sacks of feed, hay, equipment, saddles and a big list of other BRBR

Damn Susan, wish you were closer...I'd love to come help out...I helped run the
largest equestrian center in North Texas and we had everything there cows,
chickens, buffalo, ostrich you name it. I'm a hard worker!!

Love, laughter and friendship

Lisa in Dallas
www.beautycafe.com

I think that is what I am going to have to do - toss it. As flexible as
my WOE really is in the big scheme of things Cheese is just something
I'm going to have to reserve for very special occasions. I know I will
miss it FAR more than I have ever missed potatoes or candy/sweets. :/

This is really going to limit my dairy because I don't drink alot of
milk, I am allergic to yogurt and Ice-cream is just outta the question
lol. I wonder if I should take a calcium supp if I can manage to quit
the cheese. Maybe like a Tums per day or something.

Susan
260/219/160

---
2weeks 2days 15:49hours of being smoke-free, 673 cigs not smoked,
$124.51 saved, 2day 8:05hours of my life saved




"Chris Braun" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:29:57 -0500, "Susan Jones-Anderson"
wrote:

Meant calories, not carbs.. sorry. Fat and fat calories.
Susan
260/219/160

Ah, thanks for the clarification. This makes far more sense!

I love cheese too, but I save it for the occasional treat now. I do
eat a lot of the fat-free stuff -- not the same as real cheese but
better than nothing.

I handle real cheese like I do most other "treat" foods. I don't
bring it into the house, so I just eat it occasionally at restaurants
or social events (like wine tastings).

Chris