How Long Can You Stay on Induction - from Atkins website

Just a FYI post, who those curious:

"How long can I stay on Induction?

The longer you consume no more than 20 grams of carbs daily, the more
body fat you will burn. Depending on how much weight you need to lose,
you can safely continue with Induction as long as the following three
conditions are met:

Your blood chemistries, lipid values, blood pressure or blood sugar
levels continue to improve or remain stable and within normal limits.

You feel well and are experiencing a high energy level, normal sleep
patterns and stable moods.

You are not bored. Boredom could lead to cheating and undermine your
efforts.

However, it is important to understand the entire Atkins Nutritional
ApproachTM. The ultimate goal of the program is to advance from the
Induction phase through Ongoing Weight Loss and Pre-Maintenance,
culminating in Lifetime Maintenance, which should become your
permanent way eating. By following these steps, you can find your
Critical Carbohydrate Level for Losing (CCLL), also known as your
carbohydrate threshold for losing, and ultimately your Critical
Carbohydrate Level for Maintenance (CCLM), also known as your
carbohydrate threshold for maintaining. Segueing from one phase to
another will help you maintain a healthful weight, feel good and
decrease your risk factors for chronic diseases such as heart disease,
hypertension and diabetes.

That being said, if you have a great deal of weight to lose, you can
certainly stay on Induction for six months or even more. When you
switch to Ongoing Weight Loss, your rate of loss will naturally
diminish. On the other hand, if you have a modest weight loss goal,
say 20 pounds, and lose the first pounds rapidly, it is important to
move through the more liberal phases so you can establish the good
eating habits that will become part of your ongoing lifestyle and end
yo-yo dieting."

From
http://atkins.com/helpatkins/newfaq/...Induction.html

(Sarah Fox Jahn) wrote in message . ..
Just a FYI post, who those curious:

"How long can I stay on Induction?

The longer you consume no more than 20 grams of carbs daily, the more
body fat you will burn. Depending on how much weight you need to lose,
you can safely continue with Induction as long as the following three
conditions are met:

Your blood chemistries, lipid values, blood pressure or blood sugar
levels continue to improve or remain stable and within normal limits.

You feel well and are experiencing a high energy level, normal sleep
patterns and stable moods.

You are not bored. Boredom could lead to cheating and undermine your
efforts.

How about that!! Sarah responded with some FACTS to back up what she
said... thank you so much for this message... I have found the Atkins
websites to be terrific and have even called their toll-free number
with a question or 2.



Nancyy Bakker

(fitting into old clothes and loving it!)

On 27 Dec 2003 07:31:37 -0800, (n k bakker)
wrote:


How about that!! Sarah responded with some FACTS to back up what she
said...

That is quite a condescending thing to say.

Taffy Stoker wrote in message . ..
On 27 Dec 2003 07:31:37 -0800, (n k bakker)
wrote:


How about that!! Sarah responded with some FACTS to back up what she
said...

That is quite a condescending thing to say.

No Taffy, it's an IMPORTANT thing to say...and even better a terrific
thing to do (stating where your facts come from)... there is a lot of
"opinion" on here pretending to be "fact"... and I appreciate that
Sarah actually referenced what she was talking about, where she read
it, and who wrote it.

There is often a style of reporting in media (espcially the internet)
that doesn't let the facts get in the way of a good story... I
appreciate that Sarah provided true Atkins-web-based-sourced words to
show the group what the Atkins people actually said about something.

Nancyy Bakker

"n k bakker" wrote in message
om
Taffy Stoker wrote in message
. ..
On 27 Dec 2003 07:31:37 -0800, (n k bakker)
wrote:


How about that!! Sarah responded with some FACTS to back up what she
said...

There are plenty of facts here. You apparently want the gospel
according to Atkins website instead. Most people really mean just eat
20 carbs when they say induction. Induction means 20 carbs a day AND a
restricted food list, and it is NOT about weight loss, nor will help you
lose faster than doing it the way Atkins himself designed it. Atkins
book, that Akins himself wrote, not some faceless webpage designer,
states a maximum of 6 months on induction. Implications from
testimonials, a longstanding marketing gimmick, is *not* the same
thing.

That is quite a condescending thing to say.

No Taffy, it's an IMPORTANT thing to say...and even better a terrific
thing to do (stating where your facts come from)... there is a lot of
"opinion" on here pretending to be "fact"... and I appreciate that
Sarah actually referenced what she was talking about, where she read
it, and who wrote it.

There is often a style of reporting in media (espcially the internet)
that doesn't let the facts get in the way of a good story...

My that's impressive. It only took you four days to show your ass. Of
course you'll have to try a bit harder to beat out the champion. This
group is not the 'media'. It is a community of longtime successful
lowcarbers who are willing to share their experiences with new
lowcarbers, not just regurgitate the official line.

I
appreciate that Sarah provided true Atkins-web-based-sourced words to
show the group what the Atkins people actually said about something.

Nancyy Bakker

Why are you here again? If our opinions are so lacking perhaps you
should spend your time somewhere you find more congenial.

You asked, you were answered. I personally would not dismiss longtime
successful lowcarbers opinions merely because they are not certified
Atkins reps before examining why they hold those opinions.

--
revek
Why am I frowning? It takes 42 muscles to frown and only 17 to smile
and I need the exercise!

"revek" wrote in message
...
There are plenty of facts here. You apparently want the gospel
according to Atkins website instead. Most people really mean just eat
20 carbs when they say induction. Induction means 20 carbs a day AND a
restricted food list, and it is NOT about weight loss, nor will help you
lose faster than doing it the way Atkins himself designed it. Atkins
book, that Akins himself wrote, not some faceless webpage designer,
states a maximum of 6 months on induction.

On page 160 (Avon paperback edition, January 2002) of DANDR, Atkins says
"However, if you are comfortable staying in this phase, and you still have a
lot of weight to lose, you can do Induction safely for six months or more."
There's no maximum stated in this section of the book, and I don't remember
one elsewhere.

"n k bakker" wrote in message
om...
Taffy Stoker wrote in message
. ..
On 27 Dec 2003 07:31:37 -0800, (n k bakker)
wrote:


How about that!! Sarah responded with some FACTS to back up what she
said...

That is quite a condescending thing to say.

No Taffy, it's an IMPORTANT thing to say...and even better a terrific
thing to do (stating where your facts come from)... there is a lot of
"opinion" on here pretending to be "fact"... and I appreciate that
Sarah actually referenced what she was talking about, where she read
it, and who wrote it.

There is often a style of reporting in media (espcially the internet)
that doesn't let the facts get in the way of a good story... I
appreciate that Sarah provided true Atkins-web-based-sourced words to
show the group what the Atkins people actually said about something.


Factual information and an opinion backed up by an appeal to authority are
not the same thing.

In other words: you're ignorant.

n k bakker wrote:
Taffy Stoker wrote:
n k bakker wrote:

How about that!! Sarah responded with some FACTS to back up what she
said...

No, she quoted a web page published by someone known to be an expert.

That is quite a condescending thing to say.

It is called a logical falacy. Appeal to authority is not automatically
the same as producing actual facts. Authorities get things wrong. In
general they get things wrong much less often than the general public.

No Taffy, it's an IMPORTANT thing to say...and even better a terrific
thing to do (stating where your facts come from)... there is a lot of
"opinion" on here pretending to be "fact"... and I appreciate that
Sarah actually referenced what she was talking about, where she read
it, and who wrote it.

Appeal to authority isn't citing fact.

I appreciate that Sarah provided true Atkins-web-based-sourced words to
show the group what the Atkins people actually said about something.

Dr Atkins wasn't an infallible god. He got stuff wrong. And the regular
posters on ASDLC aren't the general public, either. Many are folks who
started with Dr A's writings and built upon them.

This is an important point. Many folks here have found vast amounts of
truth in Dr A's writings, and also a few errors. You're focusing on those
disagreements and assuming that since Dr A was a bona fide expert that he
must be infallible and the folks here must be wrong. But what you are
focusing on at the moment isn't the vast amount of truth folks have found
in Dr A's writings; you are focusing on that small part of disagreement.

Dr Atkins saying something doesn't always make something true, but it
usually does. When an Anti disagrees with Dr Atkins there's a high chance
the Anti is wrong and Dr A is correct. But what motivation do long term
devoted Atkids like several here have to disagree with Dr A? Dr A changed
my life tremendously for the better. I don't have any motivation to
disagree with him for the fun of it. I do have motivation to locate the
few points he's made mistakes and correct them, though.

"n k bakker" wrote in message
om
(Sarah Fox Jahn) wrote in message
. ..
Just a FYI post, who those curious:

"How long can I stay on Induction?

The longer you consume no more than 20 grams of carbs daily, the more
body fat you will burn. Depending on how much weight you need to
lose, you can safely continue with Induction as long as the
following three conditions are met:

Your blood chemistries, lipid values, blood pressure or blood sugar
levels continue to improve or remain stable and within normal limits.

You feel well and are experiencing a high energy level, normal sleep
patterns and stable moods.

You are not bored. Boredom could lead to cheating and undermine your
efforts.

How about that!! Sarah responded with some FACTS to back up what she
said... thank you so much for this message... I have found the Atkins
websites to be terrific and have even called their toll-free number
with a question or 2.

You get up on the wrong side of bed today?

I would not give the Atkins site any more weight than a longtime
lowcarber. They get some of their facts wrong, ketones and water.
--
revek
First things first, but not necessarily in that order. -- Doctor Who,
in MEGLOS

Sarah Fox Jahn" wrote in message
...
Just a FYI post, who those curious: [quoting the Atkins web site]

"How long can I stay on Induction?

The longer you consume no more than 20 grams of carbs daily, the more
body fat you will burn. Depending on how much weight you need to lose,
you can safely continue with Induction as long as the following three
conditions are met:


What utter horse patootie!

The amount of body fat you burn has very little to do with how many grams of
carbs you eat.

If it did, people wouldn't stall out for months while spilling ketones every
day.

Lowering your carbs below a certain threshold will shift your muscles and
organs first into burning ketones, and then, about three weeks later into
burning free fatty acids rather than carbs. But if your daily caloric intake
is more than you are burning off, you won't lose a pound. Even if you are
burning fat, after the first couple weeks most people (especially those who
are not young males) will see their weight loss slow down to a pound or two
a week at very most no matter how many grams they eat.

The huge burst of energy that the Atkins site waxes enthusiatic about will
also decrease after a few weeks as the body adapts to a fat-burning regimen
and many dieters will find themselves contending with low energy and
exhaustion if they don't boost their carbs a bit, especially if they are
pursuing an exercise regimen.

When you
switch to Ongoing Weight Loss, your rate of loss will naturally
diminish

This too is hogwash. Switching to OWL has nothing to do with the slowing
down of weight loss. After 3 weeks on a very low carb diet most people's
early, fast weight loss slows way down and after that it's a matter of
eating less than your body burns.

Partly this is because they've flushed the water out of their tissues, and
partly it is because after going through an initial state of confusion, in
which it is prone to drop a surprising amount of weight, the body figures
out what is going on and stops what it sees as dangerous depletion of famine
stores.

After this adaptation kicks in, weight loss slows to normal levels which
depend almost completely on how much you are eating. The more you weigh, the
more you'll tend to lose each week, but the statistics compiled from records
of manyreal dieters show that median weight loss is 1 pound a week for
people under 200 lbs and less than 2 lbs a week for people who weigh over
300 lbs.

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/dietpage.htm summarizes the data
collected on this newsgroup from real dieters over many months.

It has always been striking to me that Atkins NEVER published any
statistical studies drawn from the many thousands of dieters he supposedly
helped, and that all the anedotes in his book described people in the very
early stages of the diet.

That's probably because while the diet works, for most people it does NOT
work in the near magical way his
bestsellers would make you believe it does.

Long term weight loss is a long, slow, process that requires discipline and
hard work no matter what diet you use. The tragedy of the Atkins diet is
that with its focus on the first couple weeks of impressive weight loss it
raises unrealistic expectations in most of the people who try it. When
things slow down after a month or two, most Atkins dieters get disillusioned
and many of them quit thinking they've failed when in fact they are getting
better than usual results.


-- Jenny

Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address!
New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm
Weight: 168.5/137
Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 -
HBa1c 5.2 10/03
Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean
How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats *
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Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet
is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes


"Sarah Fox Jahn" wrote in message
...
Just a FYI post, who those curious:

"How long can I stay on Induction?

The longer you consume no more than 20 grams of carbs daily, the more
body fat you will burn. Depending on how much weight you need to lose,
you can safely continue with Induction as long as the following three
conditions are met:

Your blood chemistries, lipid values, blood pressure or blood sugar
levels continue to improve or remain stable and within normal limits.

You feel well and are experiencing a high energy level, normal sleep
patterns and stable moods.

You are not bored. Boredom could lead to cheating and undermine your
efforts.

However, it is important to understand the entire Atkins Nutritional
ApproachTM. The ultimate goal of the program is to advance from the
Induction phase through Ongoing Weight Loss and Pre-Maintenance,
culminating in Lifetime Maintenance, which should become your
permanent way eating. By following these steps, you can find your
Critical Carbohydrate Level for Losing (CCLL), also known as your
carbohydrate threshold for losing, and ultimately your Critical
Carbohydrate Level for Maintenance (CCLM), also known as your
carbohydrate threshold for maintaining. Segueing from one phase to
another will help you maintain a healthful weight, feel good and
decrease your risk factors for chronic diseases such as heart disease,
hypertension and diabetes.

That being said, if you have a great deal of weight to lose, you can
certainly stay on Induction for six months or even more. When you
switch to Ongoing Weight Loss, your rate of loss will naturally
diminish. On the other hand, if you have a modest weight loss goal,
say 20 pounds, and lose the first pounds rapidly, it is important to
move through the more liberal phases so you can establish the good
eating habits that will become part of your ongoing lifestyle and end
yo-yo dieting."

From

http://atkins.com/helpatkins/newfaq/...Induction.html