Eating less does not result in weight loss

Mxsmanic wrote:

That IS a highly restrictive diet,

Really? There are all *kinds* of foods left to choose from when
I eliminate the garbage. I suppose it's easy for me, now, though
because I am used to it... and for me, it'd be more painful to
go back to my old way.

Fruits, proteins, some lower glycemic grains, vegetables...
There are so many things that are left over.

It's just a matter of shopping in different aisles of the grocery
store. The middle, factory-made stuff is mostly junk anyway.

Crafting Mom
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Modified WOL since spring '02 || Weight at start: over 250 lb
Today's weight: 180.5 lb || Goal/Maintenance: 140 lb

On 7 Oct 2003 15:13:25 GMT, Ignoramus20526
wrote:

-Sounds interesting. Your advice won't work for me, as I really have to

I don't do it on purpose, so I should probably be quiet.

-limit how much I eat even though I want to eat more. However I am very
-happy about your personal condition!
-

Me too! It'd be a drag to be tempted to eat all the time
when you know you shouldn't.

And now I am heading over to Breakfast King - I got involved
with a sound project and forgot about being hungry....

Sorry to follow up to my own post... I meant to say, that it
SEEMS like a highly "restrictive" diet only because the junk
and additives and refined sugars, and colorings are so
prevalent in everything that to be without it most people would
feel at a loss.

It's kind of perverse in this society, really. Having to eliminate
the crap for health reasons led me to really think "What IS
food anyway?".


Crafting Mom wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:

That IS a highly restrictive diet,

Really? There are all *kinds* of foods left to choose from when
I eliminate the garbage. I suppose it's easy for me, now, though
because I am used to it... and for me, it'd be more painful to
go back to my old way.

Fruits, proteins, some lower glycemic grains, vegetables...
There are so many things that are left over.

It's just a matter of shopping in different aisles of the grocery
store. The middle, factory-made stuff is mostly junk anyway.

Crafting Mom
http://ca.photos.yahoo.com/craftingmom2001
Modified WOL since spring '02 || Weight at start: over 250 lb
Today's weight: 180.5 lb || Goal/Maintenance: 140 lb

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Modified WOL since spring '02 || Weight at start: over 250 lb
Today's weight: 180.5 lb || Goal/Maintenance: 140 lb

Ignoramus20526 wrote:

CM, have you tried sourdough bread? It is much better than regular
bread. Maybe you can eat that? If you are interested I can mail you my
dried SD starter.

I love sourdough bread. However, it contains gluten, and is not
part of my diet. I am not looking for a "bread". , and don't feel
deprived without one.

Crafting Mom
http://ca.photos.yahoo.com/craftingmom2001
Modified WOL since spring '02 || Weight at start: over 250 lb
Today's weight: 180.5 lb || Goal/Maintenance: 140 lb

On 10/7/2003 1:08 PM, Ignoramus20526 wrote:
CM, have you tried sourdough bread? It is much better than regular
bread. Maybe you can eat that? If you are interested I can mail you my
dried SD starter.

I know that you have said this before and I am interested in this. Is
it higher in fiber than white bread? I thought that it was mostly white
flour or do you have a whole grain variation?

Crafting Mom writes:

Sorry to follow up to my own post... I meant to say, that it
SEEMS like a highly "restrictive" diet only because the junk
and additives and refined sugars, and colorings are so
prevalent in everything that to be without it most people would
feel at a loss.

These junk foods don't make people fat, however. Overeating is what
makes people fat.

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 06:53:09 GMT, Michael Snyder wrote:

MadJock wrote in message ...
Snickers are fattening.

Eating less doesn't necessarily GUARANTEE weight loss.

There are other factors to consider, too.

I beg to differ. If you eat less calories than you use on a daily basis,
you will lose weight. It's a very simple formula.

And like most such, it has very little relation to reality.
Over-simplifications such as these serve no one --
least of all people who would like to lose weight.

If you eat less calories on a daily basis, the amount
of calories you USE will very likely change.

That is true. The primary determinant of caloric expenditure is net
lean body mass----as you lose weight you will lose fat and some muscle
which was carrying the fat around. Overweight and obese typically
have higher resting metabolisms on account of this.

Excess exercise will preserve more of the muscle.

Still, if you eat less calories than you use you will lose weight.
It is a simple formula, and correct.








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On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:49:10 GMT, Mr F Le Mur wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:15:31 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:

-Mr. F. Le Mur writes:
-
- Actually one's metabolism does change when calorie intake changes.
- Lower calorie intake - lower metabolism.
-
-The change is slight and largely temporary.
-
- For example: "However, the major factor affecting resting metabolic
- rate is decreased food intake with age."
-
-BMR stays mostly the same to the extent that health is maintained. In
-any case, falling BMR is not an excuse for obesity, nor is it an excuse
-for failing to lose weight. These minor changes in metabolic rate are
-never enough to make much difference in a diet program--their importance
-is routinely exaggerated by those who are grasping for any way to avoid
-responsibility for their own obesity.

I wonder about that though, since I never get fat no matter how
much I eat.

no matter how much you *want* to eat.

Back in my younger days the only way I could vary my
weight was either by running a lot (10-15 miles/day = lose weight,
including muscle weight) or lifting weights (= gain weight).

It wasn't the lifting, but the increase in eating after lifting.

I
haven't done either for quite a while and I still weigh about the
same as 20 years, if not slightly less. FWIW, I eat whatever I
feel like eating, and it's usually high in fat and sugar.
(So I think there might be something to recent theory that low-fat
diets tend to make people fat.)

That has nothing to do with it. The amount you feel like
eating is not enough to cause you to gain weight.

The amount that overweight people feel like eating, by contrast,
does make them gain weight.

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:30:26 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
Ignoramus20526 writes:

I am curious, why do some people want to eat more and
some people want to eat less. Any ideas?

That's the $64,000 question. If you can answer it, you can find a way
to make fat people want to eat less, thereby allowing them to lose
weight.

There are surely physiological causes, but most of it, I think, is
psychological. Americans are some of the fattest people in the world,
and yet physiologically they are just like Europeans, who are far less
prone to obesity. The biological side is the same--so the psychological
side must be different. All the evidence I've personally seen supports
this.

The question is whether Europeans actually have a lower desire
to eat, or whether Europeans are more intentionally careful about
eating.

Mxsmanic wrote:

Crafting Mom writes:

Sorry to follow up to my own post... I meant to say, that it
SEEMS like a highly "restrictive" diet only because the junk
and additives and refined sugars, and colorings are so
prevalent in everything that to be without it most people would
feel at a loss.

These junk foods don't make people fat, however. Overeating is what
makes people fat.


it's not really about that, though... they are actually empty calories.
The point I was trying to make was that it's highly ironic that people
would feel deprived without those types of foods.

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Modified WOL since spring '02 || Weight at start: over 250 lb
Today's weight: 180.5 lb || Goal/Maintenance: 140 lb