Curves - Bad News

JC Der Koenig burbled across the ether:
JIHAD!!


Heh.

For the OP: The issue under discussion is not a lowcarb issue. Period.
Which is what Roger was aiming at. Take it to alt.politics.gossip

Jeesh.


--
revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June
2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please
Counselling a diabetic to eat more carbs to spare their kidneys would
be like counselling someone to take crack to wake up so they could
avoid the side-effects of caffeine. --jpatti

The only time it's not a matter of choices is in cases of rape. If the
birth control fails, well, the woman did _choose_ to have sex, right? If
you choose to have sex, you have the responsibility of researching methods
of birth control and which ones are most effective, and the responsibility
of asking yourself some serious questions like "What if I get pregnant
anyway? Is having sex with this guy worth that risk?" I decided a long,
long time ago, years before I started having sex, that I would never have
sex without birth control, and that if the birth control failed, I would
never have an abortion (unless it was a case where carrying the baby would
kill me). If, fate forbid, I am ever faced with an unwanted pregnancy, I
would choose adoption. There are so many loving, kind, stable yet
childless couples out there who _can't_ have kids, it seems such a waste to
abort one. And, I do see it as killing. I don't know when "life"
technically begins, so for me, I would err on the side of caution. But,
politically, I am pro-choice, mainly because I think with all the
biological pressure to breed, all the hormones racing through your body
when you're pregnant, all the moral and emotional objections to abortion
(which many women still have even when they have an abortion, it is rarely
an event with no regrets and no sadness) with all of that going on, if a
woman _really_ wants an abortion, she's going to get one, law or no law, so
I would rather it be in a hospital with doctors than in someone's basement.

In article ,
"FOB" wrote:

It isn't always a matter of choices. Sometimes birth control fails, women
get raped..... If you're against certain choices, work to educate women to
make better choices.

In ,
Luna stated
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|
| What if I'm against the choices women make that lead to them being in
| a position to want to have an abortion, but I'm also against the
| consequences of making it illegal (i.e. back alley abortions)?
|

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
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.. .................... I mean -- you felt this was bad
: news, right?

yes, and so do i!



:You felt that this is information that others will ABSOLUTELY
: want to know, right?


yes, and i am grateful that it was pointed out!


:You felt that they need to make a decision as to
: whether to continue to support Curves right?
:
:

actually, it has been stated MORE THAN ONCE that the original post
was for information purposes only.

In article ,
(jamie) wrote:

Luna wrote:
What if I'm against the choices women make that lead to them being in a
position to want to have an abortion, but I'm also against the consequences
of making it illegal (i.e. back alley abortions)?

IMO, if the Pro-Life crowd would concentrate on sex education and making
birth control methods easier to obtain and more effective, they would
serve their purpose a lot better than protesting abortion clinics.

About 10 years ago, there was an oft-forwarded anti-abortion poem,
allegedly written from the viewpoint of a fetus, that went around the
net. Now I don't usually read poetry, much less write it, but at the
time I decided to respond in kind with the following:


Red Herring

I hear you shouting don't abort
A child I cannot support.
I hear no pledge to clothe and feed
the babe, if I your warning heed.
Your goal to bar the clinic's door,
Not changing what we need it for.
What right have you to judge the poor?

Conception is the real issue,
Not removing fetal tissue.
If birth control was uncontested,
Also free and better tested,
If Sex Ed wasn't so protested,
(If women weren't being molested,)
Abortion conflict would be rested.

(c) 1994
jamie (last name withheld from Usenet)

Um, ok. But, um, correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't it possible to
give an unwanted child up for adoption, with all medical expenses covered
by the adopters?

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

:
: How does it apply to the women on this ng? They don't all believe
the same.
:
:

roger,
as someone who does not want "my rights" to self determination
tinkered with, it is VERY IMPORTANT and i am grateful to nimue for
posting the info.

seeing as the pro-choice movement really isn't an issue for you
personally, i suggest that you are the one stirring up ****.

Dawn Taylor wrote:

No, but reproductive choice is an issue that affects all women,
personally and politically. No matter which side of the issue they're
on, there are quite a few posters here who belong to Curves or are
considering joining. It's valuable information to have, so one can
make an informed decision as to where to spend one's money.

It's ironic that they make their money from women. Sorta like finding
out a major hip-hop label is donating to the KKK, or a lox producer is
donating to Nazis...


--
As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and more energy
to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit at C. This energy has
to come from somewhere; in this case, from the food's nutritional value.
Thus, the faster the food is, the worse it gets.
-- Mark Hughes, comprehending the taste of fast food

Jean M. wrote:

Just because he has changed his public voice doesn't mean he has
changed his view. He has said repeatedly that he believes abortion is
wrong.

I believe it's wrong too. And I'm pro-choice.

I don't see any contradiction between those positions.


--
As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and more energy
to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit at C. This energy has
to come from somewhere; in this case, from the food's nutritional value.
Thus, the faster the food is, the worse it gets.
-- Mark Hughes, comprehending the taste of fast food

jean,
i am pro choice, as john kerry is.

whether or not i would personally have an abortion is NOT the issue.


--
rosie
www.johnkerry.com




"Jean M." wrote in message
...
: "rosie" wrote:
:
: thanks for the heads up.......................................i
DO
: care where my money goes, and what it supports, and the
conservative
: christian right gives me the creeps!
:
: Planning to vote for Kerry? He believes abortion is wrong and
gives
: money to support the Catholic church. If you are not going to be
: hypocritical, you will vote for someone else.

: Just because he has changed his public voice doesn't mean he has
: changed his view. He has said repeatedly that he believes abortion
is
: wrong.
:

folks can believe that abortion is wrong, but still be PRO-CHOICE,
don't you get that?




: On to the bigger issue: Is Curves worse than the Catholic church?


i don't go there either!




:
: Jean M
: Loser and Quitter
: --
: -348/312/180 - 5'10"
: -Atkins Since 01/28/04
: -Quit Smoking 03/07/04
: -Curves Since 03/26/04

:
That is the
: point I was trying to make. Thanks for almost catching it.
:
: This is old news, btw. I read about it months ago.
:
: Jean M
:


your sarcasm is not lost on many of us jean.............too bad
really!
now be a good girl and do some reading, ok?