Curves - Bad News

"Luna" wrote...
| The only time it's not a matter of choices is in cases of rape.

http://news.findlaw.com/ap_stories/o...051501_04.html

Back in the day before Roe v Wade I circulated petitions to legalize
abortion. Was soliciting signatures at the local Post Office--a great place
to get a flow of people--and the Postmaster tried to throw me out because he
didn't like the controversy. I knew I had the legal right to be there so
stood my ground and he eventually backed down.

In ,
Dawn Taylor stated
| I don't know about being a hero. I did what I felt was necessary at
| the time -- our rights were in serious jeopardy and women were being
| assaulted by zealots when they were visiting their doctor. It was just
| plain wrong, and I was young and energetic and filled with outrage.
|
| I was spit on and insulted in some of most vile ways possible, had
| bottles and rocks thrown at me, and I admit it gave me a rather skewed
| view of Christianity -- to this day I have to remind myself often that
| I know fine, kind, ethical people who are Christians and that the
| brand of "Christianity" spewed by those freaks was the most hateful,
| twisted mutatuion of the concept imaginable.
|
| Our rights -- all sorts of rights, not just reproductive -- are still
| in jeopardy. Perhaps more so than ever. But I'm older now, and a lot
| less energetic. And, I admit, sort of jaded and weary of the whole
| thing. The best I seem to do anymore is choose to not give my money to
| any company or organization that funds groups whose agendas I find
| repellent.
|
| This really ****es me off about Curves. But it is what it is. I'll go
| in tomorrow and quit, and I'll tell them, in a very polite way,
| exactly why I'm not giving them my money anymore. It's the only thing
| I can do that I can be comfortable with.
|
| Dawn

Roger Zoul wrote:

I think your problem is that it is beyond your imagination that someone
could manage to not see things as you do. I mean -- you felt this was bad
news, right? You felt that this is information that others will ABSOLUTELY
want to know, right? You felt that they need to make a decision as to
whether to continue to support Curves right?

Roger, is it beyond *your* imagination that some women might not want to
support an organization that is working to infringe upon their rights?

Some might not care, but some *do* - I am glad for her providing the
info as I had no frigging idea about Curves and it *does* matter to me.

I don't see how this is any further off-topic than the anti-Walmart or
anti-McDonald's crap that is posted here on occassion. People can
choose to take it into account or not, as they see fit.


--
As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and more energy
to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit at C. This energy has
to come from somewhere; in this case, from the food's nutritional value.
Thus, the faster the food is, the worse it gets.
-- Mark Hughes, comprehending the taste of fast food

In article ,
says...
Um, ok. But, um, correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't it possible to
give an unwanted child up for adoption, with all medical expenses covered
by the adopters?


If that is your choice, absolutely. But you have no right to foist
*your* choice on others. It's as simple as that.
--
Donna
A pessimist believes all women are bad. An optimist hopes they are.

In Jean M. wrote:

You are shocked because you can't see past your own nose. I can't help
you there. I think you did post to stir up ****. Your follow-ups
support that contention. Curves is a good buy for me. Deal with it.


Nothing to be shocked over...there is a whole wide view or opinions and
reactions out there. Some prefer to kill file those who have differing
morals to their own to keep their small world safe. Thats their right.

I hardly think the original post was to "stir up ****" though. Some of
the reactions to it tho...certaintly seem to want a fight tho. But that
is the nature of any topic folks feel strongly over. Well that and
everyone likes to watch a train wreck.

Those offended by the topic can always add the topic to their ignore
list tho. Those who want to keep the hostilities going can announce
they are doing so.

Personally I moved recently and there is now a curves a block from me...
I'm glad to of gotten this info, for I'll now check out the other gym
accross the street from curves. Those of you that are prolife should be
happy to know this too..perhaps you'll now want to go to curves. Those
who don't care where their money goes...well the post should hold no
interest one way or another to you since your belief system isn't that
strong anyways.

The U.S. is a rather backwards country in a lot of ways.

In ,
Archon stated
|
| In DK the abortion takes place in the general hospitals. So there's no
| specific abortion clinic for them to protest at.

In article ,
"eff" wrote:

"Luna" wrote...
| The only time it's not a matter of choices is in cases of rape.

http://news.findlaw.com/ap_stories/o...051501_04.html



Ok, that's really sad, but I don't see what it has to do with women who
have abortions because they got pregnant but can't afford to raise a child,
or it's not convenient for them to have a child at that time. The poster I
was replying to implied that if a woman's birth control fails, then her
choices didn't lead to her becoming pregnant. And I was pointing out that
except in cases of rape, the woman did make a choice, the choice to have
sex. Of course if a fetus doesn't have a brain it should be aborted.


Look, here's my basic point: in my ideal world, everyone (men and women)
would wait to have sex until they wanted and children and were capable of
taking care of them. The next step down would be having 100% usage of 100%
effective birth control by people who don't want children, but still want
to have sex. The next step down would be if women who had unwanted
pregnancies would always choose adoption. Next, if some women do choose
abortion, it should be legal and safe. Worst would be if a lot of women
choose abortion, but it's illegal and not safe. If abortion is made
illegal, I do not think it would make women stop having them, anymore than
making pot illegal stops people from smoking it. So, keeping abortion
legal is one place where I agree with more liberal politics. However,
where I disagree is in the concept of what ideal would mean. I have
actually known liberal, pro-choice women speak of abortion as no more
monumental than having your wisdom tooth out, and their ideal world seems
to be one of sex whenever you want, with whomever you want, with no
consequences. A fetus is not an unborn child to them, it has no more value
than a tumor. To me that's such a cold, calculating way of looking at it.
Pregnant women who are happy about it don't see the fetus as a "thing" it's
their child. I'm rambling now, so I'll stop and say no more about it.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"Luna" wrote in message
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| In article ,
| "eff" wrote:
|
| "Luna" wrote...
| | The only time it's not a matter of choices is in cases of rape.
|
|
http://news.findlaw.com/ap_stories/o...051501_04.html
|

| Ok, that's really sad, but I don't see what it has to do with women who
| have abortions because they got pregnant but can't afford to raise a child,
| or it's not convenient for them to have a child at that time. The poster I
| was replying to implied that if a woman's birth control fails, then her
| choices didn't lead to her becoming pregnant. And I was pointing out that
| except in cases of rape, the woman did make a choice, the choice to have
| sex. Of course if a fetus doesn't have a brain it should be aborted.

(snip)

| However,
| where I disagree is in the concept of what ideal would mean.

And my point was that we can not fathom the full effect of restrictions
regarding
these laws on some women. Yes, some women take advantage of the law out of
convenience or an error in judgement. But those who really need it should not
be punished because some stranger thinks the concept is morally reprehensible.

In this case, unfortunately, there is no ideal that will please everyone.

eff
glad that my previous post was apparently pulled. I guess that feature works on
my news server. :-)

nimue wrote:

have met anti-choicers before, you know. However, I wanted a snazzy subject
line that people would be likely to read. It DID reflect my opinion, that's
true, but I am not optimistic enough to believe that everyone would share my
support of women's rights.

Hmmmm. Nice spin there. "Anti-choicers" and "women's
rights." How do you feel about father's rights, unborn
babies rights, and partial-birth abortions?

Marsha/Ohio

In jamie wrote:
IMO, if the Pro-Life crowd would concentrate on sex education and
making birth control methods easier to obtain and more effective, they
would serve their purpose a lot better than protesting abortion
clinics.


This would make sense..but most..and no I'm not saying all...but most
prolifers seem to be against birth control.