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Eating less does not result in weight loss
On 7 Oct 2003 13:53:10 GMT, Ignoramus20526
wrote: -Are you a Korean? I had a Korean girlfriend a very long time ago and -she told me that there are no fat Koreans. - ha! No, I'm not Korean, pretty much standard N. European; none of my relatives ever got fat either, that I know of. |
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Eating less does not result in weight loss
Ignoramus20526 wrote:
In article , Mr F Le Mur wrote: On 7 Oct 2003 13:53:10 GMT, Ignoramus20526 wrote: -Are you a Korean? I had a Korean girlfriend a very long time ago and -she told me that there are no fat Koreans. - ha! No, I'm not Korean, pretty much standard N. European; none of my relatives ever got fat either, that I know of. I have always been curious about slim people who eat all they want etc. Myself, I am at normal weight, but I need to watch what I eat like a hawk to not regain weight. It is not that difficult, but it takes some effort. I do not eat junk food, sugar etc. What would be your typical day's eating? Can you elaborate a little? You make no effort to stay slim at all? It is just natural? i I am married to a man who is "naturally slim"; he's been the same weight since highschool. It would appear to the naked eye that he "eats all he wants" but in reality, it all tends to balance out. For instance, he'll eat a huge thanksgiving dinner, but then the next day, he won't feel like eating very much. The times he eats even a "normal" larger amount, is followed by times when he just doesn't want to eat. I've observed his eating patterns very closely. It's not something he does consciously, but just cause ----- effect. I, on the other hand, have often eaten when *not* hungry, just for something to do. I didn't let the fact that I was already sated stop me from enjoying that yummy second helping of fruit salad, for instance. My husband on the other hand, listens to his body. He's never "counted calories", or fat grams or carb grams a day in his life. I've found, since eliminating foods I was sensitive to (for health reasons) my body is starting to "naturally" do the same thing. -- Crafting Mom http://ca.photos.yahoo.com/craftingmom2001 Modified WOL since spring '02 || Weight at start: over 250 lb Today's weight: 180.5 lb || Goal/Maintenance: 140 lb |
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Ignoramus20526 wrote:
That's very interesting CM. So, your husband eats all he wants, but he does not want that much, right? Does he eat sweets and junk food? From time to time, yes. For instance, yesterday at the office, someone brought in Lindt Lindor chocolates, and he ate quite a bit of them. I noticed he didn't eat a lot of supper when he came home. He also was not very interested in snacks when we went out to a movie last night (School of Rock, which I highly recommend, btw). As a general rule, as parents who are raising 5 children, we tend to not have lots of sweets and junk food in the house. Makes it easier for me to resist it anyway LOL... Crafting Mom http://ca.photos.yahoo.com/craftingmom2001 Modified WOL since spring '02 || Weight at start: over 250 lb Today's weight: 180.5 lb || Goal/Maintenance: 140 lb |
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Eating less does not result in weight loss
On 7 Oct 2003 14:18:06 GMT, Ignoramus20526
wrote: -In article , Mr F Le Mur wrote: - On 7 Oct 2003 13:53:10 GMT, Ignoramus20526 - wrote: - - -Are you a Korean? I had a Korean girlfriend a very long time ago and - -she told me that there are no fat Koreans. - - - - ha! No, I'm not Korean, pretty much standard N. European; - none of my relatives ever got fat either, that I know of. - - - -I have always been curious about slim people who eat all they want -etc. Myself, I am at normal weight, but I need to watch what I eat -like a hawk to not regain weight. It is not that difficult, but it -takes some effort. I do not eat junk food, sugar etc. - -What would be your typical day's eating? Can you elaborate a little? -You make no effort to stay slim at all? It is just natural? No effort at all. I've tried to do the opposite, by stuffing my face whenever I could stand it, when I wanted to gain weight; I gained weight, but it was all muscle, since that was about 30 years ago when I was lifting weights - striations and veins and that kinda ****. When I was working out I looked like a middle- weight boxer you might see on TV (and was one, too, though pretty half-assedly - definitely not on TV), but now I look kinda like a freshman college basketball player. Not too bad for 50, I'll wager. FWIW, at different periods I might eat anything from three big meals a day to one big meal every other day, plus cookies or some such. It's seems like the more I eat the more I want to eat. I'm hungry right now and would eat a big, greasy bacon 'n' eggs breakfast with extra bacon* and plenty of toast with butter and sugary jelly if someone put it in front of me, but otherwise I'm too lazy to mess with it - it's easier to be hungry. I know a couple of other people like this and they seem to be dark-haired with British ancestors. Plus, like you said, a lot of Oriental people don't seem to get fat. My free advice to people concerned about getting fat is to quit thinking that it's terrible to feel hungry, and probably also quit "couting calories" and other things that turn food into something symbolic or an intermittent reward; like instead of thinking about what you're supposed to eat and when and how much, think about staying hungry as long as you can. Then when you've been hungry long enough, eat whatever you feel like eating. Dunno if that's all bull**** or not, but it's what I do by default. *I just talked myself into heading over to the Breafast King! |
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Mr. F. Le Mur writes:
I wonder about that though, since I never get fat no matter how much I eat. That's because you don't eat that much. If you tried to eat as much as the average fat person, you might feel stuffed and sick. FWIW, I eat whatever I feel like eating, and it's usually high in fat and sugar. Only calories matter with respect to weight; you can eat anything you want. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. |
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Ignoramus20526 writes:
I am curious, why do some people want to eat more and some people want to eat less. Any ideas? That's the $64,000 question. If you can answer it, you can find a way to make fat people want to eat less, thereby allowing them to lose weight. There are surely physiological causes, but most of it, I think, is psychological. Americans are some of the fattest people in the world, and yet physiologically they are just like Europeans, who are far less prone to obesity. The biological side is the same--so the psychological side must be different. All the evidence I've personally seen supports this. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. |
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Mr. F. Le Mur writes:
... it's easier to be hungry. Very revealing. For fat people, it's _never_ easier to be hungry! They _will_ go out and find a place to eat. This reluctance on your part alone may be sufficient to explain why you are not fat. My free advice to people concerned about getting fat is to quit thinking that it's terrible to feel hungry, and probably also quit "couting calories" and other things that turn food into something symbolic or an intermittent reward; like instead of thinking about what you're supposed to eat and when and how much, think about staying hungry as long as you can. Not a bad idea. But a characteristic of fat people is that they cannot tolerate hunger, nor does anything seem to distract them from hunger. My extremely fat grandmother had to stop to eat several times a day, whether she actually felt hungry or not, and no matter what she was doing. No wonder she was extremely fat. Then when you've been hungry long enough, eat whatever you feel like eating. Not a good idea. Fat people usually feel like eating a great deal. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. |
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Mxsmanic wrote: Mr. F. Le Mur writes: I wonder about that though, since I never get fat no matter how much I eat. That's because you don't eat that much. If you tried to eat as much as the average fat person, you might feel stuffed and sick. I've lost over 70 pounds, and to eat the way I used to eat would leave me feeling very stuffed and sick. The simple answer to "why was I so fat" (I still have a bit to go) is that I ate too much. It was a major fluke that I discovered WHY I was eating too much. I thought it was because I had no self control. That IS true, when faced with certain kinds of foods. For health reasons, I found myself eliminating foods containing refined sugar and flour, dyes, additives. Upon embarking on this new way of life, I found that not only was I making better food selections, I also was NOT constantly craving craving craving. I suppose you can call it a low-carb way of life, but I eat real fruit on a regular basis (I don't go searching for "low carb tang" or any crap like that) "Eat less" is the very obvious answer to "how to lose weight". However it's extremely PAINLESS to start eating less when totally getting rid of the foods that trigger those cravings. It takes brutal honesty with oneself to determine exactly which foods they are for you, personally. We live in a world where if we describe a diet in which flour and sugar are eliminated totally (and yes, it's in "everything" packaged, in one form or another - under different names), as well as chemical additives that are not fit for human consumption but somehow made it into the classification of food.... we eliminate that and people think of it as a "highly restrictive diet". It's amazing because over a hundred years ago, half of the stuff that people would "feel deprived" without, didn't even exist. Crafting Mom http://ca.photos.yahoo.com/craftingmom2001 Modified WOL since spring '02 || Weight at start: over 250 lb Today's weight: 180.5 lb || Goal/Maintenance: 140 lb |
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Crafting Mom writes:
It takes brutal honesty with oneself to determine exactly which foods they are for you, personally. I think that, for most people, foods with a high glycemic index are the most risky. But it depends on the individual. Some people can't resist a baked potato with sour cream--but I hate that. On the other hand, I love vanilla custard, and I have a weakness for Oreo cookies. It may be a matter of just avoiding any food if you find that you can't resist eating "more than just one" at a sitting. We live in a world where if we describe a diet in which flour and sugar are eliminated totally (and yes, it's in "everything" packaged, in one form or another - under different names), as well as chemical additives that are not fit for human consumption but somehow made it into the classification of food.... we eliminate that and people think of it as a "highly restrictive diet". That IS a highly restrictive diet, and those extremes are not usually necessary. Remember, lots of people remain thin even while eating refined flour and sugar, so it's not just that. I have no weakness for refined sugar at all (I hate very sweet foods, as a general rule), for example. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. |
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Eating less does not result in weight loss
Ignoramus20526 writes:
don't you think that Europeans also move more? It depends on where they live. Here in Paris, they move around a great deal, because the city is built that way. In other towns, this might not be true. I cannot claim this as a fact, but I feel that moving was more significant and central to my weight loss than dieting, as such. That when I started really exercising (walking 100 minutes per day) my appetite returned to more normal. Again, it is just speculation. Exercising never does any harm. I try to get as much as I can, but exercising alone isn't sufficient to create a calorie deficit that will result in significant weight loss over reasonable periods. Incidentally, I am now a public transportation user -- I walk 40 minutes to train plus 10 minutes from train to work. I am very lucky having this opportunity. I used to walk all the way from work to home and vice versa--seven miles and two hours. But it was enjoyable in good weather, and it burned 700-800 calories, too. Today I walk an average of about two hours (10 kilometres) per day. Also, I feel that recommendations given to fat people regarding exercise are inadequate. Spending 30 minutes 3 times a week is not enough to return to a more normal appetite/metabolism and burn any appreciable quantity of fat. Fat people need to eat less. It's almost impossible to do anything significant with exercise alone, especially when a person is very fat. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. |
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