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Eating less does not result in weight loss
Banty wrote:
I had an intersting conversation in another NG. The usual "but some fat people can't help it" thing came up When I found myself eating "food products" containing refined sugar, flour, colorings and other additives, then the phrase "but some fat people can't help it" definitely applied! Yes, I *did* choose to put the food in my mouth, but it was such a driving force, and I felt like I would *die* if I did not eat more and more until filled. When I cleaned up my food regime 100%, and completely took those offending ingredients out, eating less was EASY and painless. Many people see that as "fooling" my body into eating less. I see it the other way around. The offending ingredients were fooling my body into thinking I needed MORE. Without them, I could see entirely that I was indeed eating less, and I was happy that I was a) noticing it and b) not hungry all the damn time. Crafting Mom Do it your way, but do it forever. |
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Eating less does not result in weight loss
Banty writes:
I don't think it's truly physical appetite so much as expectation. Fat folk are eating for pleasure and entertainment value beyond their caloric needs, but, especially in a society as ours which jacks up expectations, consider it reasonable to eat yea much and yae many times a day. I agree. Four meals. Glycemic treats. For an inactive elder. She gained weight. Well duh. Fat people tend to dramatically underestimate exactly how much they actually eat, and exactly how many calories there are in what they eat. It's hard to say how much of this error is deliberate and how much is inadvertent, but the error is often very large. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. |
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Eating less does not result in weight loss
Mxsmanic wrote:
Fat people tend to dramatically underestimate exactly how much they actually eat, and exactly how many calories there are in what they eat. I think it's because the choices of foods tend to leave them still *feeling* hungry, so they feel like they've only had a little bit. Therefore, if they are still hungry, then, they MUST have only eaten a small amount, right? In my mind it was like that. Unless they record amounts of food eaten to determine the caloric value, they're not sure, exactly. (This was the case for me). It's not like they're intentionally being misleading. But, for me, piles and piles of rice stir fry still left me feeling empty even though it is quite high in calories. It's hard to say how much of this error is deliberate and how much is inadvertent, but the error is often very large. I'd say quite inadvertent, for me. Crafting Mom Do it your way, but do it forever. |
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Eating less does not result in weight loss
Crafting Mom writes:
I think it's because the choices of foods tend to leave them still *feeling* hungry, so they feel like they've only had a little bit. I think it is because they consciously or unconsciously lie to themselves and others. Therefore, if they are still hungry, then, they MUST have only eaten a small amount, right? A lot of fat people are not hungry. They've conditioned themselves to eat certain amounts at certain times, and if they don't, they're convinced that they are "hungry." I suspect that many of them haven't experienced physiological hunger in ages, because they never go long enough without a large meal for it to develop. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. |
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Eating less does not result in weight loss
In article , Mxsmanic wrote:
(in part) Fat people tend to dramatically underestimate exactly how much they actually eat, and exactly how many calories there are in what they eat. It's hard to say how much of this error is deliberate and how much is inadvertent, but the error is often very large. I totally agree. Among the calorie-estimators that are fat and staying fat, there is often fudging/dishonesty in the estimates. But another thing: Some dishonesty in calorie count on package labels. I remember when I saw in one of my local newspapers that this figure is allowed to be off by up to 20% totally legally, and that it is usually lower than "truth" for a lot of diet foods. One little note: I just looked at the label on a 1-3/4 ounce pack of sunflower seeds. The label said 300 calories. I added up using 9 calories per fat gram, 4 calories per protein gram and 4 calories per carbohydrate gram and got 305 calories. Also note that I have heard more than just a couple times that protein and carb were 4.5 calories per gram. And I do not even know how far off they are allowed to be in grams of protein, fat and carbs or total weight/volume per package. (The grams shown on this package were 25 fat, 14 carb, 6 protein. This leaves 4-5 grams water, "ash" [probably heavily salt but also inorganic potassium compounds, inorganic calcium compounds, etc.] and cellulose.) - Don Klipstein ) |
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Eating less does not result in weight loss
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:08:08 -0400, jean and bill
wrote: In article , napalm- says... But American women appear to have been most affected by admonitions to watch what they eat. Before the diet mania, the average American woman took in 3,000 to 5,000 calories a day; today that average woman eats less than 1,600 calories daily and is on some type of weight loss program, according to Frances Berg, M.S., in Women Afraid to Eat -- Breaking Free in Today's Weight-Obsessed World (Healthy Weight Network, 2000). It ain't the fat, it's the carbs. See: http://tinyurl.com/p7kc Yup, that article says exactly what I've concluded... a lean (low-fat), high protein diet combined with fiber-heavy carbs (veggies), will make for healthy weight loss. It's a miracle diet. I'll fix two packages of stir fry veggies, mixed with shrimp, langostinos, and/or chicken, in a big bowl. Enough food to feed a sumo wrestler. Never even gain a single pound. Ketosis must be burning away all the fat with what little carbs I'm getting, being counteracted somehow by lots of fiber. I wonder if the high-carb diets are causing the rise in diabetes more than anything else? That constantly high glycemic count can't be doing very well for the pancreas, can it? -- Steve º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤º Steve Chaney Remove "NRismykicktoy" to get my real email address See the soc.singles HALL OF STUPID: http://member.newsguy.com/~gunhed/hallofstupid "Too late he understood that when you mate with a black widow spider, you're on the menu tonight." - Crash Street Kidd, Jackie, Message-ID: |
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