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Old October 12th, 2003, 12:04 AM
Crafting Mom
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Banty wrote:

I had an intersting conversation in another NG. The usual "but some fat
people can't help it" thing came up


When I found myself eating "food products" containing refined sugar,
flour, colorings and other additives, then the phrase "but some fat
people can't help it" definitely applied!

Yes, I *did* choose to put the food in my mouth, but it was such a
driving force, and I felt like I would *die* if I did not eat more
and more until filled. When I cleaned up my food regime 100%, and
completely took those offending ingredients out, eating less was
EASY and painless.

Many people see that as "fooling" my body into eating less. I see it
the other way around. The offending ingredients were fooling my
body into thinking I needed MORE. Without them, I could see entirely
that I was indeed eating less, and I was happy that I was a) noticing
it and b) not hungry all the damn time.

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Old October 12th, 2003, 02:18 AM
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Banty writes:

I don't think it's truly physical appetite so much as expectation. Fat folk are
eating for pleasure and entertainment value beyond their caloric needs, but,
especially in a society as ours which jacks up expectations, consider it
reasonable to eat yea much and yae many times a day.


I agree.

Four meals. Glycemic treats. For an inactive elder. She gained weight. Well
duh.


Fat people tend to dramatically underestimate exactly how much they
actually eat, and exactly how many calories there are in what they eat.
It's hard to say how much of this error is deliberate and how much is
inadvertent, but the error is often very large.

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Old October 12th, 2003, 02:49 AM
Crafting Mom
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Mxsmanic wrote:

Fat people tend to dramatically underestimate exactly how much they
actually eat, and exactly how many calories there are in what they eat.


I think it's because the choices of foods tend to leave them still
*feeling* hungry, so they feel like they've only had a little bit.
Therefore, if they are still hungry, then, they MUST have only
eaten a small amount, right? In my mind it was like that.

Unless they record amounts of food eaten to determine the
caloric value, they're not sure, exactly.

(This was the case for me). It's not like they're intentionally
being misleading. But, for me, piles and piles of rice stir fry
still left me feeling empty even though it is quite high in calories.

It's hard to say how much of this error is deliberate and how much is
inadvertent, but the error is often very large.


I'd say quite inadvertent, for me.

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Old October 12th, 2003, 03:07 AM
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Crafting Mom writes:

I think it's because the choices of foods tend to leave them still
*feeling* hungry, so they feel like they've only had a little bit.


I think it is because they consciously or unconsciously lie to
themselves and others.

Therefore, if they are still hungry, then, they MUST have only
eaten a small amount, right?


A lot of fat people are not hungry. They've conditioned themselves to
eat certain amounts at certain times, and if they don't, they're
convinced that they are "hungry." I suspect that many of them haven't
experienced physiological hunger in ages, because they never go long
enough without a large meal for it to develop.

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Old October 12th, 2003, 06:18 AM
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In article , Mxsmanic wrote:
(in part)

Fat people tend to dramatically underestimate exactly how much they
actually eat, and exactly how many calories there are in what they eat.
It's hard to say how much of this error is deliberate and how much is
inadvertent, but the error is often very large.


I totally agree. Among the calorie-estimators that are fat and staying
fat, there is often fudging/dishonesty in the estimates.
But another thing: Some dishonesty in calorie count on package labels.
I remember when I saw in one of my local newspapers that this figure is
allowed to be off by up to 20% totally legally, and that it is usually
lower than "truth" for a lot of diet foods.

One little note: I just looked at the label on a 1-3/4 ounce pack of
sunflower seeds. The label said 300 calories. I added up using 9
calories per fat gram, 4 calories per protein gram and 4 calories per
carbohydrate gram and got 305 calories. Also note that I have heard more
than just a couple times that protein and carb were 4.5 calories per gram.
And I do not even know how far off they are allowed to be in grams of
protein, fat and carbs or total weight/volume per package.
(The grams shown on this package were 25 fat, 14 carb, 6 protein. This
leaves 4-5 grams water, "ash" [probably heavily salt but also inorganic
potassium compounds, inorganic calcium compounds, etc.] and cellulose.)

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Old October 13th, 2003, 11:09 PM
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:08:08 -0400, jean and bill
wrote:

In article , napalm-
says...
But American women appear to have been most affected by admonitions to
watch what they eat. Before the diet mania, the average American woman
took in 3,000 to 5,000 calories a day; today that average woman eats
less than 1,600 calories daily and is on some type of weight loss
program, according to Frances Berg, M.S., in Women Afraid to Eat --
Breaking Free in Today's Weight-Obsessed World (Healthy Weight
Network, 2000).


It ain't the fat, it's the carbs. See:

http://tinyurl.com/p7kc


Yup, that article says exactly what I've concluded... a lean (low-fat),
high protein diet combined with fiber-heavy carbs (veggies), will make for
healthy weight loss. It's a miracle diet. I'll fix two packages of stir fry
veggies, mixed with shrimp, langostinos, and/or chicken, in a big bowl.
Enough food to feed a sumo wrestler. Never even gain a single pound.
Ketosis must be burning away all the fat with what little carbs I'm
getting, being counteracted somehow by lots of fiber.

I wonder if the high-carb diets are causing the rise in diabetes more than
anything else? That constantly high glycemic count can't be doing very well
for the pancreas, can it?


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