ex low carber -> eat to live intro and questions.

Greetings, I just wanted to weigh in on this newsgroup.

I've done the so-called "atkins" diet for several years with good results
(I'm down an honest 50 lbs). But have very recently started on furhmans
so-called " eat to live " diet ( www.drfuhrman.com ), for a number of
reasons. Be forewarned that this is a pretty hardcore diet and while I hope
it is the diet to end all diets I don't know if I will be able to get over
the hump. Imagine going from waking up to soft boiled eggs w/butter one
morning to struggling to finish your head of plain romaine lettuce before
your 45 minute drive to work is over the next. I just wanted to share my
thoughts on the two having had some experience with them, and maybe gain
some insight myself.

I couldn't believe the atkins diet, but his book was convincing enough to
get me to try it. I think I'm better off for having done it. It was pretty
easy for me to stay on, it helped me get a jumpstart on the weightloss, but
moreover it taught me that I CAN stay on a diet. I now kiddingly refer to
it as a "gateway" diet.

Fuhrmans book makes a much stronger case however as it is far less anecdotal
and has plenty of references to actual studies. I *believe* his approach is
probably more correct if the goal is to be healthier longer. The diets are
strikingly similiar in their abhorrence of refined sugars and starches.
They also both advocate green vegetables and exercise. But this diet is to
a large degree, raw vegetables and fruits, cooked green vegetables, beans,
etc. with minimal animal products. It is really not easy to get used to.
But I must admit that I am completely stuffed before I'm even done with a
meal and am losing weight again at a record pace. And having been on atkins
for a while, I hopefully got meat out of my system for now (fruit never
tasted so good).

One thing I find myself doing while chewing on the green leaves of the day
is actually visualizing myself AS a gorilla eating leaves. That image
usually lends the activity enough muchismo for me to carry on , so please
don't call it rabbit food. I've actually been accused of being a gorilla
before, but for different reasons, lots of different reasons, thats a
different story. On with the questions:

1. Where are all the " eat to live " ers? Is there an acronym that I
should be looking for?

2. If you are an ETLer , what kind of results are you having/did you have?
Any caveats that you can share?

3. Any opinions on the book itself and his interpretation of the research?
I thought the whole thing was a bit gloomy. I think he kind of waived his
hand at the pesticide question a bit, seems like a bit of effort went into
minimizing the question up front, but he did follow up with some detailed
information. I guess the bottom line is you might be able to stave off old
age for 10+ years, is that the idea? Do you buy it?

Talk to you later,
Steve.

On 1/22/2004 9:53 AM, Ignoramus31635 wrote:
Forgot to say. This Joel Fuhrman seems to be a militant
vegetarian. The name sounded familiar to me in the morning and I did a
bit of recalling at work.

I recently bought his book actually, called Fasting and Eating for
Health. I bought it because I now fast on Thursdays (exprimentally)
and I wanted to check out some fact based book on fasting, written by
a doctor.

I have been wondering what you hope to accomplish with this Thursday
fast? Is this something that you would be willing to share with the group?

--
jmk in NC

Ignoramus31635 wrote in news:buotg6
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Sure... Like I said, this is an experiment that I am conducting and I
am not endorsing fasting for anyone yet.

I had a couple of people tell me that fasting made them feel
better. Anecdotal stuff. Also, I read a study where intermittent
fasting improved health and longevity of certain animals (i have a
pdf of that article).


OK. I'm interested in this. My first question. How would this effect
someone who is already on a lower calorie intake to lose weight. Like me!
I'm losing 1 to 2 a week as is. Maybe this sort of thing would be better
for those who are maintaining or at a healthy weight? If its not to big i
would like a copy of the .pdf. If you dont mind send it to my public yahoo
account. i should be able to find it through all the spam i get at it.
thanks.

365/222/200

Ignoramus31635 wrote in
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I sent you the file to



thank you!


365/222/200

Ignoramus31635 wrote:

I respect vegetarians who do it for ethical reasons. They are
sacrificing themselves to a cause that they believe in. Animals truly
are treated worse than Jews during Holocaust.

Gasp, that bad? By *all* means we should behave more ethically towards
animals than Jews.

Dally, thinking about throwing up

"Dally" wrote in message
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Ignoramus31635 wrote:

I respect vegetarians who do it for ethical reasons. They are
sacrificing themselves to a cause that they believe in. Animals truly
are treated worse than Jews during Holocaust.

Animals are there for one reason, and one reason only - to taste good with
steak sauce. Animals were not placed on the earth to "look pretty" and live
in harmonial balance with humans, they are there to satisfy our urge to HUNT
KILL AND EAT. I don't feel bad for them at all.

det

"determined" wrote in message
...
Animals are there for one reason, and one reason only - to taste good
with
steak sauce. Animals were not placed on the earth to "look pretty" and
live
in harmonial balance with humans, they are there to satisfy our urge to
HUNT
KILL AND EAT. I don't feel bad for them at all.

det

It is natural for animals to hunt down and eat other animals. It happens
in nature all the time. No one cries about how inhumane it is for
predators to maul other animals and start eating them before they've even
died. We're just as much a part of the food chain as any other animal.

"Chrys" wrote in message
...
"determined" wrote in message
...
Animals are there for one reason, and one reason only - to taste good
with
steak sauce. Animals were not placed on the earth to "look pretty" and
live
in harmonial balance with humans, they are there to satisfy our urge to
HUNT
KILL AND EAT. I don't feel bad for them at all.

det

It is natural for animals to hunt down and eat other animals. It happens
in nature all the time. No one cries about how inhumane it is for
predators to maul other animals and start eating them before they've even
died. We're just as much a part of the food chain as any other animal.

Yes, and we don't bite them and rip them to shreds, we just shoot them in
the head - we're much more humane.

det

"determined" wrote in
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any other animal.

Yes, and we don't bite them and rip them to shreds, we just shoot them
in the head - we're much more humane.

det



depends on where you live.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:46:01 -0800, "determined"
wrote:

Animals are there for one reason, and one reason only - to taste good with
steak sauce.

I bet you did eat your kitten, Bitsy.

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