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"Bob in CT" wrote
People are different, but there has never been a study anywhere where the people could not sustain the "normal function of [a] body" under 150 grams of carbs per day. They just define the state of ketosis as not being part of "normal function" I guess, based on the little shippet that was posted. What else is new? The question is whether or not being in ketosis is a suboptimal way for the body to function. There's always been a lot of disagreement on this, and no real long-term studies on large western population groups. I think most of us here are OK with it, if done in a healthy way. HG |
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"Hannah Gruen" wrote in message ... "Bob in CT" wrote People are different, but there has never been a study anywhere where the people could not sustain the "normal function of [a] body" under 150 grams of carbs per day. They just define the state of ketosis as not being part of "normal function" I guess, based on the little shippet that was posted. What else is new? The question is whether or not being in ketosis is a suboptimal way for the body to function. There's always been a lot of disagreement on this, and no real long-term studies on large western population groups. I think most of us here are OK with it, if done in a healthy way. HG Ketosis does not magically occur at 150g. For me, I have to eat less than around 30-40g to achieve externally measurable ketosis. At my usual 70g, it is obvious that gluconeogenesis is maintaining my blood sugar levels, but I get no indication of ketosis at that level (using ketostix). Maybe I should use my CardioChek to see if ketosis is secretly happening, but I doubt it since I get none of the other side effects of ketosis. Alan |
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"Hannah Gruen" wrote in message ... "Bob in CT" wrote People are different, but there has never been a study anywhere where the people could not sustain the "normal function of [a] body" under 150 grams of carbs per day. They just define the state of ketosis as not being part of "normal function" I guess, based on the little shippet that was posted. What else is new? The question is whether or not being in ketosis is a suboptimal way for the body to function. There's always been a lot of disagreement on this, and no real long-term studies on large western population groups. I think most of us here are OK with it, if done in a healthy way. HG Ketosis does not magically occur at 150g. For me, I have to eat less than around 30-40g to achieve externally measurable ketosis. At my usual 70g, it is obvious that gluconeogenesis is maintaining my blood sugar levels, but I get no indication of ketosis at that level (using ketostix). Maybe I should use my CardioChek to see if ketosis is secretly happening, but I doubt it since I get none of the other side effects of ketosis. Alan |
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"Hannah Gruen" wrote in message ... "Bob in CT" wrote People are different, but there has never been a study anywhere where the people could not sustain the "normal function of [a] body" under 150 grams of carbs per day. They just define the state of ketosis as not being part of "normal function" I guess, based on the little shippet that was posted. What else is new? The question is whether or not being in ketosis is a suboptimal way for the body to function. There's always been a lot of disagreement on this, and no real long-term studies on large western population groups. I think most of us here are OK with it, if done in a healthy way. HG Ketosis does not magically occur at 150g. For me, I have to eat less than around 30-40g to achieve externally measurable ketosis. At my usual 70g, it is obvious that gluconeogenesis is maintaining my blood sugar levels, but I get no indication of ketosis at that level (using ketostix). Maybe I should use my CardioChek to see if ketosis is secretly happening, but I doubt it since I get none of the other side effects of ketosis. Alan |
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Gregory Toomey wrote in message ...
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ld/9566646.htm Traditionally eskimos lived on only meat and fish. They didn't seem to have a problem, after all in the days of old they could just as easily have moved to Miami. |
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Gregory Toomey wrote in message ...
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ld/9566646.htm Traditionally eskimos lived on only meat and fish. They didn't seem to have a problem, after all in the days of old they could just as easily have moved to Miami. |
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Gregory Toomey wrote in message ...
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ld/9566646.htm Traditionally eskimos lived on only meat and fish. They didn't seem to have a problem, after all in the days of old they could just as easily have moved to Miami. |
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"Alan Wright" wrote
Ketosis does not magically occur at 150g. For me, I have to eat less than around 30-40g to achieve externally measurable ketosis. At my usual 70g, it is obvious that gluconeogenesis is maintaining my blood sugar levels, but I get no indication of ketosis at that level (using ketostix). Maybe I should use my CardioChek to see if ketosis is secretly happening, but I doubt it since I get none of the other side effects of ketosis. Please realize that just because you can't measure ketosis on your ketostick does NOT mean you're not in ketosis. If you're eating 100 g carbs or less per day you almost certainly ARE in ketosis. Also, realize that many of the symptoms people think are signs of ketosis may also be the result of other factors, including changes in hydration, sparse intake of vegetables, etc. Many people will adapt to use the ketones they produce for energy, very efficient. That's why a lot of people won't register on ketosticks. Sometimes the ketones they produce won't register on the ketostick media, but will on an electronic instrument - that actually happened to me (instrument was being used by me for a purpose rather different than measuring ketones). HG |
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"Alan Wright" wrote
Ketosis does not magically occur at 150g. For me, I have to eat less than around 30-40g to achieve externally measurable ketosis. At my usual 70g, it is obvious that gluconeogenesis is maintaining my blood sugar levels, but I get no indication of ketosis at that level (using ketostix). Maybe I should use my CardioChek to see if ketosis is secretly happening, but I doubt it since I get none of the other side effects of ketosis. Please realize that just because you can't measure ketosis on your ketostick does NOT mean you're not in ketosis. If you're eating 100 g carbs or less per day you almost certainly ARE in ketosis. Also, realize that many of the symptoms people think are signs of ketosis may also be the result of other factors, including changes in hydration, sparse intake of vegetables, etc. Many people will adapt to use the ketones they produce for energy, very efficient. That's why a lot of people won't register on ketosticks. Sometimes the ketones they produce won't register on the ketostick media, but will on an electronic instrument - that actually happened to me (instrument was being used by me for a purpose rather different than measuring ketones). HG |
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As I understand it the body converts protein(up to 58%), fat(up to
10%), and carbs into glucose. Since people eat all three types of these energy sources it stands to reason that 150 grams of carbs a day is excessive. Sounds like this article is missleading people. Seems the 150 figure is the minimum IF the individual consumes no fat or protein. Gregory Toomey wrote in message ... http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ld/9566646.htm "The most frequent complaints with low-carb diets are constipation and headache, which are readily explained by the lack of fruit, vegetables and whole grains, Astrup said." TOTAL NONSENSE. There are numerous low carb vegetables. "We have known for many years that there is a minimum intake of carbohydrate necessary to maintain the normal function of your body and that is approximately 150 grams a day," he said. "But, if on the Atkins diet you go down to 20 to 30 grams in the induction phase, then maybe go up to 100 grams, still you are far below what your body needs." Comments? gtomey |
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