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  #31  
Old August 17th, 2005, 03:38 AM
Chris Braun
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:25:27 -0400, jmk wrote:

Agreed. FWIW, I weigh daily.

As an aside, this has helped me a lot this summer. I've been riding my
bike a lot and as a result my hydration status has been flucuating a lot
lately so the daily swings in my weight on the scale has been a lot
larger than I was used to seeing. I check the graph every now and then
to confirm what I already know (my clothing fits fine, etc.) but it's
nice to see it on the screen.


Interesting. I have pretty much taken to weighing just weekly --
sometimes less. I weighed most days during the course of weight loss,
but since I just do it at the gym (don't have a scale at home) it
takes a little extra effort so I no longer do it every time I'm there,
and I also tend to just not think of it, since I'm not actively
focused on losing. I go by how my clothes fit. Last time I weighed
myself was Saturday (since I didn't go in on Sunday, my usual weigh-in
day), and I was at 134, after a rather large dinner the night before.
It was about what I'd have guessed. I can usually guess what I'll
weigh within 1-2 pounds.

Chris
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started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
  #32  
Old August 17th, 2005, 03:51 AM
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:41:53 GMT, Ignoramus23305
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:31:33 GMT, Chris Braun wrote:
On 16 Aug 2005 07:37:25 -0700, "Doug Freyburger"
wrote:

Chris and Beverly both mentioned roll your own. Both
experienced and well-read folks years into their
process. Neither newbies.


Well, we were both newbies once. I was a newbie three years ago, and
began with a "roll my own" plan. After two years of weight loss and
one year of maintenance, I'm still doing much the same thing. I do
think it's possible to approach a "roll your own" diet in an
intelligent way. Not everyone approaches it from a position of
ignorance, you know.


Successful dieting is much easier conceptually than, say, electrical
design or boiler repair.

The nice thing about dieting is that, given enough motivation, simply
eating less reliably produces weight loss. So, complete newbies can
lose weight if they simply eat less. When I started dieting, I knew
next to nothing about nutrition etc. I simply started eating less, and
walked, and did not eat certain obviously not so good things. That
worked just fine.

Piggybacking on another post of yours about feeling like being in an
alien body, after almost two years, I no longer feel that way. I got
almost fully used to it.


Well, I've only been at my current weight for about a year. And it's
a bigger change for me -- half my weight. And I spent a lot longer
being heavy, since I'm much older than you. So it may take me longer.
It's not just appearance -- though I'm still startled sometimes when I
look in the mirror -- but the huge changes in the way my body works --
my desire to be physically active, my muscularity and strength, my
energy levels, my seemingly much more active metabolism, etc. It's a
lot to get used to :-).

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
  #33  
Old August 17th, 2005, 02:14 PM
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"Ignoramus23305" wrote in message
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On 16 Aug 2005 14:48:04 -0700, Doug Freyburger wrote:
Ignoramus23305 wrote:

There is no reason why a person cannot experience emotions (such as
upset or celebration), and yet act rationally and not stupidly.


There is a cliche "Courage is not lack of fear. Lack of fear
is rashness. Courage is having fear and acting anyways."

My correlary that applies to diet is "Patience is not lack
of frustration. Lack of frustration could be anything from
ignorance through nirvana. Patience is being frustrated and
continuing on-plan anyways."


Very well put.

Many folks think I'm extremely patient. I stick to stuff year
after year. Don't think I'm not frustrated often. No, I
just ask myself what the alternatives are. Would I rather
keep chugging through my frustration, or would I rather quit
and gain to more than when i started? I know what happens to
folks who quit. They come back a few years later bigger than
when they first started or they never come back. I'd rather
be frustrated thanx.


Yes.

I would rather be "anal" (as Annie put it) and "frustrated" (due to
setting ambitious goals) than fat.


You say that as if they are mutually exclusive as in one can only be anal
*or* fat. One can be anal without being condescending. One can also be
anal and plump, anal and fat, anal and a decent human being. Take your
choice.
--
the volleyballchick
knows plenty of anal people that don't need to be as much of an abrasive ass


  #34  
Old August 17th, 2005, 05:52 PM
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Chris Braun wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Chris and Beverly both mentioned roll your own. Both
experienced and well-read folks years into their
process. Neither newbies.


Well, we were both newbies once. I was a newbie three years ago, and
began with a "roll my own" plan. After two years of weight loss and
one year of maintenance, I'm still doing much the same thing. I do
think it's possible to approach a "roll your own" diet in an
intelligent way. Not everyone approaches it from a position of
ignorance, you know.


Chances and difficulty.

How many folks several years in started on a roll your
own versus how many started day one on a roll your own?

How many folks several years in started on a published
plan (with or without switching to roll your own more
than a year in) versus how many started day one on a
published plan?

I don't have those numbers but those numbers would
give the better strategy. If one gave 1% and the other
gave 2% that would say one of the above is twice as
sucessfull. Not having even counted posts on this, I
can only guess. My guess is that early on folks
following a published plan do better. Having a small
number of counter examples does little to determine a
trend.

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Old August 17th, 2005, 07:16 PM
Chris Braun
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:17:41 GMT, Ignoramus4384
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:51:03 GMT, Chris Braun wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:41:53 GMT, Ignoramus23305
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:31:33 GMT, Chris Braun wrote:
On 16 Aug 2005 07:37:25 -0700, "Doug Freyburger"
wrote:

Chris and Beverly both mentioned roll your own. Both
experienced and well-read folks years into their
process. Neither newbies.

Well, we were both newbies once. I was a newbie three years ago, and
began with a "roll my own" plan. After two years of weight loss and
one year of maintenance, I'm still doing much the same thing. I do
think it's possible to approach a "roll your own" diet in an
intelligent way. Not everyone approaches it from a position of
ignorance, you know.

Successful dieting is much easier conceptually than, say, electrical
design or boiler repair.

The nice thing about dieting is that, given enough motivation, simply
eating less reliably produces weight loss. So, complete newbies can
lose weight if they simply eat less. When I started dieting, I knew
next to nothing about nutrition etc. I simply started eating less, and
walked, and did not eat certain obviously not so good things. That
worked just fine.

Piggybacking on another post of yours about feeling like being in an
alien body, after almost two years, I no longer feel that way. I got
almost fully used to it.


Well, I've only been at my current weight for about a year. And it's
a bigger change for me -- half my weight. And I spent a lot longer
being heavy, since I'm much older than you. So it may take me longer.
It's not just appearance -- though I'm still startled sometimes when I
look in the mirror -- but the huge changes in the way my body works --
my desire to be physically active, my muscularity and strength, my
energy levels, my seemingly much more active metabolism, etc. It's a
lot to get used to :-).


It is, indeed, a lot. Being released from prison probably feels
similar.


Well, this sort of sounds like being fat is like being in prison. And
I suppose in some sense there's a similarity, but actually being fat
never made me unhappy at all. I was perfectly happy being fat -- had
a good job, a loving husband, good friends, fun things to do. I
seldom thought about being fat. Until I got to be thin I didn't know
how much I'd like it :-).

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
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Old August 17th, 2005, 07:27 PM
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On 17 Aug 2005 09:52:13 -0700, "Doug Freyburger"
wrote:

Chris Braun wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Chris and Beverly both mentioned roll your own. Both
experienced and well-read folks years into their
process. Neither newbies.


Well, we were both newbies once. I was a newbie three years ago, and
began with a "roll my own" plan. After two years of weight loss and
one year of maintenance, I'm still doing much the same thing. I do
think it's possible to approach a "roll your own" diet in an
intelligent way. Not everyone approaches it from a position of
ignorance, you know.


Chances and difficulty.

How many folks several years in started on a roll your
own versus how many started day one on a roll your own?

How many folks several years in started on a published
plan (with or without switching to roll your own more
than a year in) versus how many started day one on a
published plan?

I don't have those numbers but those numbers would
give the better strategy. If one gave 1% and the other
gave 2% that would say one of the above is twice as
sucessfull. Not having even counted posts on this, I
can only guess. My guess is that early on folks
following a published plan do better. Having a small
number of counter examples does little to determine a
trend.


True, certainly but neither does your guess, which as far as I can
tell is just based on personal preference. My instinct would be the
opposite, but no doubt that's based on my own preference. I'm kind of
inclined to feel, though, that those who take responsibility for
defining their own diet are likely to end up with an approach better
suited to their tastes and lifestyle, and hence one they are more
likely to stick with forever. My instinct is also that recidivism
would be higher with diets that largely rule out particular food
types, but clearly that isn't everyone's experience.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
  #37  
Old August 17th, 2005, 07:29 PM
Chris Braun
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:19:53 GMT, Ignoramus4384
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Well, this sort of sounds like being fat is like being in prison. And
I suppose in some sense there's a similarity, but actually being fat
never made me unhappy at all. I was perfectly happy being fat -- had
a good job, a loving husband, good friends, fun things to do. I
seldom thought about being fat. Until I got to be thin I didn't know
how much I'd like it :-).


Interesting. Myself, I did not like being fat, but I did not realize
just how much I was missing, until I lost weight.


Let's say that, miraculously, one day you woke up at 262 lbs again.

Would that make you upset, now that you know what it is like to be
slim? I suspect that you would become quite upset.


Well, sure, now that I know I prefer being slim. However, I'd
probably be most upset because it happened without me knowing why. I
don't like things I don't understand :-). And that would make me
concerned that I couldn't lose it again. But I would start the same
day eating and exercising as I do now with hope that I would
eventually achieve the same result. (Sounds kind of like Ground Hog
Day, though; I'm imagining waking up every morning fat all over
again!)

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
  #38  
Old August 17th, 2005, 07:53 PM
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"Chris Braun" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:19:53 GMT, Ignoramus4384
wrote:

Well, this sort of sounds like being fat is like being in prison. And
I suppose in some sense there's a similarity, but actually being fat
never made me unhappy at all. I was perfectly happy being fat -- had
a good job, a loving husband, good friends, fun things to do. I
seldom thought about being fat. Until I got to be thin I didn't know
how much I'd like it :-).


Interesting. Myself, I did not like being fat, but I did not realize
just how much I was missing, until I lost weight.


Let's say that, miraculously, one day you woke up at 262 lbs again.

Would that make you upset, now that you know what it is like to be
slim? I suspect that you would become quite upset.


Well, sure, now that I know I prefer being slim. However, I'd
probably be most upset because it happened without me knowing why. I
don't like things I don't understand :-). And that would make me
concerned that I couldn't lose it again. But I would start the same
day eating and exercising as I do now with hope that I would
eventually achieve the same result.


That's pretty much what I did when I had those sudden weight gains. I
decided to just get back to work on things. I think that in the past that
was one of the things that lead to me always gaining back all of the weight
I'd lose was the loss of hope and feeling out of control from the gains due
to the medical problems.

BTW, I was also not miserable when I was fat. I was always somewhat active
and my health was good. I never lacked for friends, dates, or eventually a
loving husband and good marriage. I was extremely successful in my career
pursuits and accomplished a lot on a personal level. It is highly unlikely
that I will be tiny again (like I was for all of about 10 minutes) with too
many things that get in the way, but that doesn't mean I can't be happy and
healthy at a slightly higher than "normal" weight. Happiness comes from a
lot of sources besides a number on a scale.
--
the volleyballchick


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Old August 17th, 2005, 09:51 PM
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In article ,
Chris Braun wrote:

It's a
lot to get used to :-).


Indoor work, no heavy lifting!

I am still considering the "tweak" idea instead of the all-or-nothing
approach (which clearly doesn't work for me). One poster mentioned that
people on a controlled diet system thought about food all the time. I
sort of think, I think about food all the time, too. But that hasn't
worked for me to eat right. I consider eating right/less to be a
no-brainer, but my problem is eating outside those simple parameters
from stress, boredom, etc. I haven't gained any weight in the last ten
years, but haven't lost the extra 80 lbs. I've gathered in the past 20,
either.

So much is in the head...

Ilene B
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Old August 17th, 2005, 09:55 PM
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In article ,
Chris Braun wrote:

But I would start the same
day eating and exercising as I do now with hope that I would
eventually achieve the same result.


A co-worker of mine had a highest weight around 300 lbs. She got gastric
bypass surgery 1 1/2 years ago, and reportedly went from about 275 to
175. I just saw her after a long time, and she looked well. I asked her
how it felt to be a health(ier) weight, after stuggling for so many
years with weight and food, etc. She said she's been "eating too much"
and fears gaining it back. She said kind of sadly that she likes being
able to breathe better, but that she feels she's eating in the same
mindset that got her fat, but just can't do it as fast or as much. I
think she might gain it back if she can't get her mindset in healthy
order.

I've heard from some people that the surgery changes body
chemistry/hormones/something so they no longer want to binge eat or eat
"badly." I'm sure it's true for them, but apparently not universally.

Ilene B 'holding steady at 222"
 




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