Low carb and endurance running -- results of my experiment

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:42:13 GMT, Tony wrote:
, 22 Sep 2004 17:42:13 GMT, Tony wrote:

That's not true. Fats are utilized first, and glycogen is utilized
more
as
exercise intensity goes up. This is commonly accepted.

It maybe commonly accepted but it is incorrect.

I would be interested to read a text that shows that as intensity
increases, glycogen utilization does not increase. Please point me to
a
text or a referenced journal article.

I think he is trolling. If he's not here is at least one paper
http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0690.htm which covers some of the
basics. Of course he can say they are wrong as usual without any proof.
Forest/trees.

-DF

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:42:13 GMT, Tony wrote:
, 22 Sep 2004 17:42:13 GMT, Tony wrote:

That's not true. Fats are utilized first, and glycogen is utilized
more
as
exercise intensity goes up. This is commonly accepted.

It maybe commonly accepted but it is incorrect.

I would be interested to read a text that shows that as intensity
increases, glycogen utilization does not increase. Please point me to
a
text or a referenced journal article.

I think he is trolling. If he's not here is at least one paper
http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0690.htm which covers some of the
basics. Of course he can say they are wrong as usual without any proof.
Forest/trees.

-DF

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:54:09 -0400, Mike Tennent wrote:

Well, Great Athlete God,

ex Great Athlete to you , sir.

who are you?

Who are you?

Why hide behind a munged address and initials?

Is Mike Tennent your real name?

The respected posters here use real names.

"IronPenguin"

Like Iron Penguin?

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:21:31 GMT, Tony wrote:

Excuse me, maybe you read some texts that I didn't read,

Dozens probably but texts are not necessarily my best sources for info.

but that doesn't
mean you understood them,

When I don't, I have taken great lengths to have them explained or
summarized.

and you don't explain your points very clearly.

Sorry about that.

Question: if the body always uses muslce glycogen up first, no matter what
the effort level (I think this is what you said),

The body looks to utilize muscular glycogen and similar chemistries as a
preferential source for human movement especially if that movement, in
time, leads into an oxygen dependent state.....

then why does it even
bother to store muscle glycogen?

Because if it doesn't store it, then how can it call on systemic glycogen
for reserves?

Wouldn't nature tend to select those
individuals whose bodies saved their more explosive fuel (glycogen) for
times when it could help save one's life? As in Fight or Flight!

It's been a while since the days when humans required fight/flight
scenarios as regular occurrences. How much has this human physiology
evolved since the saber tooth tiger days? Beats me. I can't find any
citations from then.

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:21:31 GMT, Tony wrote:

Excuse me, maybe you read some texts that I didn't read,

Dozens probably but texts are not necessarily my best sources for info.

but that doesn't
mean you understood them,

When I don't, I have taken great lengths to have them explained or
summarized.

and you don't explain your points very clearly.

Sorry about that.

Question: if the body always uses muslce glycogen up first, no matter what
the effort level (I think this is what you said),

The body looks to utilize muscular glycogen and similar chemistries as a
preferential source for human movement especially if that movement, in
time, leads into an oxygen dependent state.....

then why does it even
bother to store muscle glycogen?

Because if it doesn't store it, then how can it call on systemic glycogen
for reserves?

Wouldn't nature tend to select those
individuals whose bodies saved their more explosive fuel (glycogen) for
times when it could help save one's life? As in Fight or Flight!

It's been a while since the days when humans required fight/flight
scenarios as regular occurrences. How much has this human physiology
evolved since the saber tooth tiger days? Beats me. I can't find any
citations from then.

That's not true. Fats are utilized first, and glycogen is utilized more
as
exercise intensity goes up. This is commonly accepted.

It maybe commonly accepted but it is incorrect.

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:52:41 GMT, Sam wrote:

I would be interested to read a text that shows that as intensity
increases, glycogen utilization does not increase.

So would I.

Fat is burned in the absence of other energy dependent chemistries being
available.

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:29:14 GMT, Sam wrote:

You need to read some studies then. When I get back to work, I will give
you the citations to several.

Save your time unless you can qualify yourself as capable, able and
professionally credentialed to analyze a scientific study and its resultant
publication.

One of the effects of endurance training is
to increase the contribution of fatty acid oxidation at a given intensity.

I have no problem with that.

Fat is burned in the absence of other energy dependent chemistries being
available.

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:29:14 GMT, Sam wrote:

You need to read some studies then. When I get back to work, I will give
you the citations to several.

Save your time unless you can qualify yourself as capable, able and
professionally credentialed to analyze a scientific study and its resultant
publication.

One of the effects of endurance training is
to increase the contribution of fatty acid oxidation at a given intensity.

I have no problem with that.

On 2004-09-24, MU wrote:


Fat is burned in the absence of other energy dependent chemistries being
available.

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:29:14 GMT, Sam wrote:

You need to read some studies then. When I get back to work, I will give
you the citations to several.

Save your time unless you can qualify yourself as capable, able and
professionally credentialed to analyze a scientific study and its resultant
publication.

I think he can. You'd look less foolish if you googled up on people
before challenging their credentials.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

On 2004-09-24, MU wrote:


Fat is burned in the absence of other energy dependent chemistries being
available.

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:29:14 GMT, Sam wrote:

You need to read some studies then. When I get back to work, I will give
you the citations to several.

Save your time unless you can qualify yourself as capable, able and
professionally credentialed to analyze a scientific study and its resultant
publication.

I think he can. You'd look less foolish if you googled up on people
before challenging their credentials.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/