Medifast diet

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:17:40 GMT, "motu" wrote:
I still think it's better to maintain health with ordinary foods as a
primary tool. If that doesn't work, then total meal replacement is a
secondary tool IF you are monitored by a doctor and have some maintenance
support in place.

I think we all can agree on this.


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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:17:40 GMT, "motu" wrote:
What bothers me is that at the Medifast site I can fill out a form and
obtain the shakes without seeing a doctor.

Well, by the same token, people can attempt to live exclusively on
yogurt and raisins, without seeing a doctor as well.

HMR resisted making their product available for sale for years.
Eventually, it became obvious that many former patients were having
great success, specifically because they were able to continue using
the product (one or two per day, strategically, instead of using meal
replacements exclusively, as many did during weight-loss) -- obtaining
the product via a "black market" that developed, whereby current
patients would buy extra ("more is better") and resell the excess to
former patients. So, given what I said above about yogurt and
raisins, and given how much having the product available for sale to
the public supports long-term maintenance success, it doesn't make
much sense restricting sale of the product. You can't protect people
from their own stupidity.


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to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

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Fascinating story, Bicker. Thanks for sharing it.

Chris

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"bicker 2003" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
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Finally, after a trip to Egypt (see my web site for a
cool travelogue of that trip)

Was going to take a look but there's no link.
Thanks for posting your story bicker.

It was interesting to note that Weight Watchers success rate was only 5%.
How did you come across that number? I imagine WW wouldn't be so popular if
more people had access to the success numbers.

Don't know where and how you got any WW stats as they are reluctant to
release negative ones. You have to define "success" as WW success is
found in the many rejoins that jingle their cash register. But this is
not limited to WW as recidivism in weight gain is statstically very
high. This happens when people abandon weight control after reaching
goal. The WW estimates you cite match those in the general population.

BTW: WW loves to spruce up, overhaul and rename their program
periodically to attract new business. They just did it again with "Flex
Points." I loved them when they started out as a voluntary support
group. They just got so big so fast that the founder, "Jean Nidetche'
had to rent space for meetings and thus the financial considerations
started and became mega big business over the past nearly fifty years.

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 07:25:05 -0400, Carol Frilegh
wrote:
It was interesting to note that Weight Watchers success rate was only 5%.
How did you come across that number? I imagine WW wouldn't be so popular if
more people had access to the success numbers.
Don't know where and how you got any WW stats as they are reluctant to
release negative ones. You have to define "success"

Read "The Fat of the Land" by Michael Fumento.


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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

"bicker 2003" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 07:25:05 -0400, Carol Frilegh
wrote:
It was interesting to note that Weight Watchers success rate was
only 5%.
How did you come across that number? I imagine WW wouldn't be so
popular if
more people had access to the success numbers.
Don't know where and how you got any WW stats as they are reluctant
to
release negative ones. You have to define "success"

Read "The Fat of the Land" by Michael Fumento.


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¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

-- I congratulate you, if I may, for the tenacity and determination you
displayed.
Will you care to tell me more about the muscle decimation you mentioned?
Experience and advices? (I posted originally the msg about medifast
:-) )
Thanks, DB

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 04:08:57 GMT, "DB" wrote:
Will you care to tell me more about the muscle decimation you mentioned?
Experience and advices? (I posted originally the msg about medifast

When I lost weight with Weight Watchers thirteen years ago, I did so
primarily via restricting my intake (lots of veggies, not much else),
and lots of walking. I lost a lot of weight, but probably lost a lot
of muscle mass, because I did nothing specifically intended to
preserve it.

When I lost weight with the VLCD at HMR in 2001-2, I do so with close
attention to ensuring I was getting enough protein, and with specific
attention paid to getting more than just aerobic exercise. I believe
the combination of sufficient protein intake and sufficient
weight-bearing exercise made the different in sparing my LBM, and
leaving me far more able to maintain my weight-loss long-term (not to
mention looking far more studly than I did thirteen years ago grin).


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¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

"bicker 2003" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 04:08:57 GMT, "DB" wrote:
Will you care to tell me more about the muscle decimation you
mentioned?
Experience and advices? (I posted originally the msg about medifast

When I lost weight with Weight Watchers thirteen years ago, I did so
primarily via restricting my intake (lots of veggies, not much else),
and lots of walking. I lost a lot of weight, but probably lost a lot
of muscle mass, because I did nothing specifically intended to
preserve it.

When I lost weight with the VLCD at HMR in 2001-2, I do so with close
attention to ensuring I was getting enough protein, and with specific
attention paid to getting more than just aerobic exercise. I believe
the combination of sufficient protein intake and sufficient
weight-bearing exercise made the different in sparing my LBM, and
leaving me far more able to maintain my weight-loss long-term (not to
mention looking far more studly than I did thirteen years ago grin).


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--Thank you, bicker! Good luck!
DB
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.