Is milk really THAT bad?

For example: milk here has 4,6g of carbs per 100ml. That means that I
need about 2 glasses to reach over the 20g limit of induction.

So, if I drink only one glass of milk per day (in 2 cups of coffee) and
keep my carbs low then I won't go over the limit and all will be fine or
will not?

Am I missing something here or is it something more in this diet than
just counting g of carbs to be below 20g for induction and keeping my
calories in the 2000 +-100 range?

I think the same goes for cheese here, if it's not something hidden,
then the 4 ounce limitation is only to prevent eating excessive amounts
of cheese that would yield too many calories.


I'm counting calories and grams of carbs and protein (for the fitness's
sake of anticatabolism and on the other hand to not stress my kidneys
too much with protein), and I have a written program for it so it's not
a problem for me. (I'm writing this remark for people that will want to
reply with only: you don't need to count calories... ; please don't
bother replying only with that.)

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B-D_
Atkins since 11/24/03
199/188/165

B-D_ writes:

Am I missing something here or is it something more in this diet than
just counting g of carbs to be below 20g for induction and keeping my
calories in the 2000 +-100 range?

You don't count calories during Induction. Induction is two weeks;
after that you're in Ongoing Weight Loss and you may count calories
then if you want. The purpose of Induction is to break addictions and
adapt to the new diet; for that purpose it's important to eat only the
allowed foods. The 20g allowance needs to be budgeted for roughage
(leafy veggies) and high-fat foods (cheese, cream, eggs) and other
assorted hidden-carb foods (salad dressings, nuts). If you use half
your carb allowance on a glass of milk, you've thrown away half your
veggies, cheeses, creams, eggs, and assorted other foods that are very
useful at dealing with the hunger during Induction.

Also, it's important that the carbs you do eat are part of low-carb
foods (i.e. foods where 10% or fewer of the calories come from carbs),
excepting leafy veggies. Cream is high fat, milk is not, so cream is
allowed, and milk is not. It's not the total carbs in this case, it's
the percent calories from carbs - nonfat milk gets 55% of its calories
from carbs, even whole milk gets 30% calories from cabrs. Heavy cream
gets 3% of its calories from carbs, half-n-half 12%.

So the problem with milk isn't the 6g of carbs themselves, it's the
lack of anything else useful to you (wrt LC), which makes the carbs
more problematic.

I think the same goes for cheese here, if it's not something hidden,
then the 4 ounce limitation is only to prevent eating excessive
amounts of cheese that would yield too many calories.

No, the limit is to avoid eating too many carbs. Induction is about
getting well into ketosis and staying there long enough to get used to
it. It's important to budget your carbs intelligently, as you need to
use them for more important things. Also, the allowed foods are much
lower GI than other foods, so the carbs you do eat will be absorbed
slowly and will be less likely to knock you out of ketosis.

In article , says...
The 20g allowance needs to be budgeted for roughage
(leafy veggies) and high-fat foods (cheese, cream, eggs) and other
assorted hidden-carb foods (salad dressings, nuts).

Slight correction -- nuts are not allowed during induction.

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Saffire
205/181/125
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

Saffire writes:
Slight correction -- nuts are not allowed during induction.

Oh, right. Sorry. Induction was a long time ago for me ;-)

B-D_ wrote in message ...
For example: milk here has 4,6g of carbs per 100ml. That means that I
need about 2 glasses to reach over the 20g limit of induction.

So, if I drink only one glass of milk per day (in 2 cups of coffee) and
keep my carbs low then I won't go over the limit and all will be fine or
will not?

actually, 100ml is only a little over 3 ounces (1oz.=30ml), so an 8oz
glass of milk would have better than 12g carbs or more than half the
induction allowance for carbs. Why not use cream in the coffee?

DJ Delorie wrote in message ...
B-D_ writes:

So the problem with milk isn't the 6g of carbs themselves, it's the
lack of anything else useful to you (wrt LC), which makes the carbs
more problematic.

Huh? Lack of anything else useful in milk? How about calcium, vitamin
D and protein.

If you're drinking milk (not talking skim here) aren't you getting
some of the fats you'd get in cheese that will satisfy you?

Lee

Lee wrote:
:: DJ Delorie wrote in message
:: ...
::: B-D_ writes:
::
::: So the problem with milk isn't the 6g of carbs themselves, it's the
::: lack of anything else useful to you (wrt LC), which makes the carbs
::: more problematic.
::
:: Huh? Lack of anything else useful in milk? How about calcium, vitamin
:: D and protein.
::
:: If you're drinking milk (not talking skim here) aren't you getting
:: some of the fats you'd get in cheese that will satisfy you?

Cheese, in general, doesn't have the carbs, and all those other things you
mention in milk can be gotten from veggies and meat..

If wanna drink some milk, then drink it. However, it is not the best choice
for a LC woe. Everything you can get from it you can get from other, and
veggies have fiber, which is important.

Ruth Lee wrote:
actually, 100ml is only a little over 3 ounces (1oz.=30ml), so an 8oz
glass of milk would have better than 12g carbs or more than half the
induction allowance for carbs. Why not use cream in the coffee?

Fine for induction, but if you like a lot of coffee (decaf) as I do,
cream can add up to a lot of excess calories. I had to switch back to
milk in my decafs, because I could more easily handle the extra 5g carb
in a cup of milk spread over the day than the extra 800 or so calories
in a cup of heavy cream spread over the day.

168/125/125 6+ years: LC since 2/18/97 maintaining since 3/17/99
--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

(Lee) writes:
Huh? Lack of anything else useful in milk? How about calcium, vitamin
D and protein.

Hence the "(wrt LC)" qualifier. The things you list have nothing to
do with the low-carb-ness of milk.

If you're drinking milk (not talking skim here) aren't you getting
some of the fats you'd get in cheese that will satisfy you?

Sure, but why not just eat the cheese? Or cream? Even whole milk
gets almost a third of its calories from carbs.

Compa
http://www.delorie.com/health/ns/?fid=01077 whole milk
http://www.delorie.com/health/ns/?fid=01050 light cream

Also note that the question was with regards to Induction, where
cheese and cream are allowed but milk is not.

Don't listen to the carb-nazis.

If your off Induction and can budget it in, a small glass (4 ounces) of milk
can take the craving away and satisfy your taste for milk. People on this ng
talk like there's no such thing as the later stages of LCing or that the
maintenance phase can be a reality. They're so busy hiding from carbs that
they don't see that the whole purpose of an LC diet is to lose weight and
then keep it off.

The key is moderation. Close to or down to your goal weight? Want a potato?
Have one---a small one. Want milk? Have a small glass.

LCing isn't a "life sentence" of total abstinence from "forbidden" foods.
LCing is losing weight while also re-learning how to eat AND keep the weight
off. Moderation is more than a virtue---for the LCer, it should be a way of
life. A lifetime of deprivation is not the answer.

Bob Skilnik