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Old August 12th, 2004, 09:37 PM
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"Ignoramus14701" wrote in message
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``As high-protein/fat diets are thought to have adverse effects on
kidneys and liver, kidney and liver fun ctions were regularly
monitored. They were found to be unaffected by this diet.''

So, in that study, children had no impairment in liver or kidney.


That was a 12 weeks study. I doubt *any* diet would manage to damage the
liver or kidney in such a small amount of time, no matter how unbalanced.
Both these organs are extremelly sturdy, it takes repeated assaults on them
to finally cause them to malfunction. If one really wanted to see the health
impacts of these diets, one would have to study them over several years, on
a large population. That would be an interresting study in itself. I'm not
convinced extreme low-fat is any healthier than extreme low-carb btw.


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Old August 12th, 2004, 09:50 PM
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:44:19 +0000, Ignoramus14701 wrote:

From the study that I mentioned:

``As high-protein/fat diets are thought to have adverse effects on
kidneys and liver, kidney and liver fun ctions were regularly
monitored. They were found to be unaffected by this diet.''


As I said: long term effects. Meaning 10 to 20 years from now, and later,
with the kids being on a sustained low-carb/high-protein regimen. Most of
the bad effects of high fat don't become evident until much later in life,
when your body is less 'adjustable'. Kid's bodies are often much more
adept at adjusting with little or no impact (e.g. broken bones heal twice
as fast in infants compared to adults, IYKWIM).

Unfortunately, the low-carb diet hasn't been around long enough to really
understand its long term effects. In the long run we still have to see
whether it is indeed more efficient, and at what costs. And by that I also
mean at least 10 to 20 years from now. Of course, if the alternative is
being severly obese, anything is better than that...

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Old August 12th, 2004, 09:50 PM
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:44:19 +0000, Ignoramus14701 wrote:

From the study that I mentioned:

``As high-protein/fat diets are thought to have adverse effects on
kidneys and liver, kidney and liver fun ctions were regularly
monitored. They were found to be unaffected by this diet.''


As I said: long term effects. Meaning 10 to 20 years from now, and later,
with the kids being on a sustained low-carb/high-protein regimen. Most of
the bad effects of high fat don't become evident until much later in life,
when your body is less 'adjustable'. Kid's bodies are often much more
adept at adjusting with little or no impact (e.g. broken bones heal twice
as fast in infants compared to adults, IYKWIM).

Unfortunately, the low-carb diet hasn't been around long enough to really
understand its long term effects. In the long run we still have to see
whether it is indeed more efficient, and at what costs. And by that I also
mean at least 10 to 20 years from now. Of course, if the alternative is
being severly obese, anything is better than that...

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Old August 13th, 2004, 02:54 PM
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:26:28 +0000, Ignoramus14701 wrote:

Again, most low carbers do not eat much more protein than regular
people do.


Now you got me confused: if they don't eat more protein, and less carbs
than regular people, where do they get their calories from? Regular to me
means a 2200 calory diet..

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Old August 13th, 2004, 02:54 PM
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:26:28 +0000, Ignoramus14701 wrote:

Again, most low carbers do not eat much more protein than regular
people do.


Now you got me confused: if they don't eat more protein, and less carbs
than regular people, where do they get their calories from? Regular to me
means a 2200 calory diet..

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Old August 16th, 2004, 12:12 PM
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"Ignoramus23157" wrote in message
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In article , Boemsi wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:26:28 +0000, Ignoramus14701 wrote:

Again, most low carbers do not eat much more protein than regular
people do.


Now you got me confused: if they don't eat more protein, and less carbs
than regular people, where do they get their calories from? Regular to

me
means a 2200 calory diet..


They get more calories from fat, typically.

i


I don't know what typical low carbers do but I get an increased number of
calories from protien. I have a protien shake daily with 25 grams of
protien made with ff yogurt and occasionally some canteloupe or peanut
butter. I center my diet around lean protien and low glycemic veggies.
Although I am not disciplined enough to count anything including grams of
carbs, I do sometimes enter my food into fitday. It usually shows that less
than 20 percent of calories come from carbs, and 50 percent come from
protien with the remaining coming from fat and alcohol (on the days I drink
wine).

j



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Old August 16th, 2004, 12:12 PM
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"Ignoramus23157" wrote in message
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In article , Boemsi wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:26:28 +0000, Ignoramus14701 wrote:

Again, most low carbers do not eat much more protein than regular
people do.


Now you got me confused: if they don't eat more protein, and less carbs
than regular people, where do they get their calories from? Regular to

me
means a 2200 calory diet..


They get more calories from fat, typically.

i


I don't know what typical low carbers do but I get an increased number of
calories from protien. I have a protien shake daily with 25 grams of
protien made with ff yogurt and occasionally some canteloupe or peanut
butter. I center my diet around lean protien and low glycemic veggies.
Although I am not disciplined enough to count anything including grams of
carbs, I do sometimes enter my food into fitday. It usually shows that less
than 20 percent of calories come from carbs, and 50 percent come from
protien with the remaining coming from fat and alcohol (on the days I drink
wine).

j



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Old August 23rd, 2004, 09:51 PM
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let's see

breakfast

soy protien 25 gms
yogurt 10
pb 8

snack
egg 12 (?)

Lunch
Chicken wrap 38

Dinner

Cheeseburger 30

That doesn't include any nuts or cheese I snack on during the day and comes
to approx 500 calories from protien which is slightly less than half of what
I take in (around 1100 - 1200) although I am deliberately increasing the
amount of food I am taking in. When I was actively losing weight, the SBD
sort of killed my appetite so there were probably several days each week
that I didn't eat nearly as much as I should have.

j

"Ignoramus17574" wrote in message
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In article [email protected], julianne wrote:

"Ignoramus23157" wrote in message
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In article , Boemsi wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:26:28 +0000, Ignoramus14701 wrote:

Again, most low carbers do not eat much more protein than regular
people do.

Now you got me confused: if they don't eat more protein, and less

carbs
than regular people, where do they get their calories from? Regular

to
me
means a 2200 calory diet..


They get more calories from fat, typically.

i


I don't know what typical low carbers do but I get an increased number

of
calories from protien. I have a protien shake daily with 25 grams of
protien made with ff yogurt and occasionally some canteloupe or peanut
butter. I center my diet around lean protien and low glycemic veggies.
Although I am not disciplined enough to count anything including grams

of
carbs, I do sometimes enter my food into fitday. It usually shows that

less
than 20 percent of calories come from carbs, and 50 percent come from
protien with the remaining coming from fat and alcohol (on the days I

drink
wine).


So, say, you eat 1500 calories per day (an assumption), that means
that you get 750 calories from protein, that means that you are eating
an equivalent of 1.6 lbs of lean turkey breast! That's a lot of protein
you have to eat... Very impressive.

i



 




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