The Battle of the Diets: Is Anyone Winning (At Losing?)

On 8/2/2012 12:56 PM, wrote:
On Jul 31, 1:30 pm, Dogman wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:02:00 -0700 (PDT), "

I can see that. Because to compare scientific dissent(!) with
Holocaust denial, is about the dumbest, most outrageous, most
dispicable thing a person can do, which is why I expect it from
someone like you.

They are the same thing in my book.

That's because you're a low-life douchebag.

And dumb as a bag of marbles.

As must be 99.99% of the AIDS researchers, doctors, etc
in the world. Because they agree that HIV is the cause of
AIDS. Now, let me see, which group would I rather be in?
That group or in the group with you, which consists of a
bunch of denialists with no qualifications, supported by
a couple of "scientists" who are not even AIDS researchers,
don't actually treat patients, etc, but some of whom
do write of talking to glowing alien raccoons?



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Exactly what you AIDS/HIV denialists do when you
come up with one bogus explanation after another to
explain away AIDS/HIV deaths in blood transfusion
recipients, hemophiliacs, soccer moms, Africans,
etc.

But there's nothing bogus about them. You're just too dumb to
understand how to reason for yourself. You're forced to parrot the
"conventional wisdom" because you're incapable of thinking for
yourself.


Let's look at just a couple of your denialist claims and see just
how totally bogus they really are.

Claim #1 AIDS is caused by recreational use of drugs, not HIV


The truth is that study after study has shown that absent
HIV infection recreational drug users do not develop AIDS.

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/topics/hiva...ausesaids.aspx

"Many studies agree that only a single factor, HIV, predicts whether a
person will develop AIDS.

Other viral infections, bacterial infections, sexual behavior patterns
and drug abuse patterns do not predict who develops AIDS. Individuals
from diverse backgrounds, including heterosexual men and women,
homosexual men and women, hemophiliacs, sexual partners of
hemophiliacs and transfusion recipients, injection-drug users and
infants have all developed AIDS, with the only common denominator
being their infection with HIV (NIAID, 1995).

In cohort studies, severe immunosuppression and AIDS-defining
illnesses occur almost exclusively in individuals who are HIV-
infected.

For example, analysis of data from more than 8,000 participants in the
Multicenter AIDS Cohort Study (MACS) and the Women's Interagency HIV
Study (WIHS) demonstrated that participants who were HIV-seropositive
were 1,100 times more likely to develop an AIDS-associated illness
than those who were HIV-seronegative. These overwhelming odds provide
a clarity of association that is unusual in medical research.

In a Canadian cohort, investigators followed 715 homosexual men for a
median of 8.6 years. Every case of AIDS in this cohort occurred in
individuals who were HIV-seropositive. No AIDS-defining illnesses
occurred in men who remained negative for HIV antibodies, despite the
fact that these individuals had appreciable patterns of illicit drug
use and receptive anal intercourse (Schechter et al. Lancet
1993;341:658)."


And your studies that say recreational drug use does
cause AIDS? crickets......

The best you can come up with is
a 30 year old paper speculating that recreational drug use
MIGHT be the cause of AIDS. That from a time when the
disease was new, HIV had not been isolated, and research
was just beginning. Of course, just like a
holocaust denier those are the tactics you have to resort
to because all the real evidence says you're a liar. The
rest of the real world quickly figured out that drug use
was not the cause when we say hemophiliacs and
blood transfusion patients coming down with AIDS too


Claim #2 - Recreational drug use, lack of sleep, poor nutrition, etc
cause the total loss of immune system cells in AIDS patients.

In fact, there is no evidence even one such patient exists.
That is a person who has somehow managed to destroy their
immune system to the point that recovery is not possible
even though the alleged cause has now been removed. Show
us the study. Show us the patients. Show us where a
recreational drug user, not infected with HIV, has an immune
system with no CD4 cells. What's the matter? Hasn't
Duesberg, Montagnier, or any of the other clowns had
enough time in the last 30 years to do a study and find them?

On the other hand, we have study after study that shows
you do see exactly this total loss of immune system cells
in people infected with HIV. And we have study after study
that shows absent HIV infection, people in those groups,
ie drug use, poor nutrition, multiple sexual partners,
blood transfusions, etc never develop AIDS.

Again, a lie and methods that are in the class of those that
deny the holocaust.

Q.E.D.