4th week on flex

At your height, 28-30 points should be no problem for maintenance.

I also refuse to have my suggested weight be dictated by some super-model logic or
what society says it should be. I know where I feel good, that's what is
important. I don't think I am struggling where I am at now, since no matter what
I do it appears I am staying here. G I don't deny myself what I want, but I no
longer allow those indescretions on a constant daily basis. I do make myself
thing though ... do I REALLY want that particular item, or am I thinking about it
for some other reason (pressure from dd, boredom, etc.). Most of the time it is
one of the latter and I can move past it. I have accepted that I am no longer 20
years old, I don't have a problem with it. I know I will never have the same
figure I did then. Age and childbirth have taken care of that for me. G Know
what? I am perfectly fine with that! Hub was watching tv the other nite, some
goofy commercial came on saying something about the weight the person was at
marriage. He asked me if I have stayed the same weight after 21 years, I told him
close enough. G He just laughed, swears even before ww I looked the same to him
as the day we got married. So .... the only person I really did this weightloss
journey for WAS me!

I do think this will be something that we all will constantly have to work at -
regardless as to how much over our goal we are willing to sit. If not, we
wouldn't have ended up where we were when starting ww. Old habits die hard, as
the saying goes. While I do accept what I am, I am also willing to work every
darned day of the rest of my life to keep the weight from going back on. And I
will also accept the fact that this will be work. If I don't work, I know the
outcome. But ... work and struggle are two different things. I agree, I don't
want to have to struggle.

I have no idea what my heart rate is while exercising, only know that it has
dropped to about 65 when I'm sitting. I go by perception ... how I'm breathing,
how I'm sweating, if I can talk, etc. Without monitors it's a guessing game. I
do have a monitor on the treadmill but I don't use it. Most all of these types
are incredibly inaccurate, so I refuse to give myself that false sense of
security. G Then again, I may give it a try someday just for grins. LOL

Joyce


On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:37:48 GMT, "Carol in NC" wrote:

Hi Joyce.

Yes, I'm almost 5'9" Even averaging 41 points a day, I'm losing well now,
so I don't see 28-30 being a problem later. (although I'd rather eat 40
points....LOL)

However, I look really good even at 200 pounds because of my height. (about
a size 12) I took the goal WW gave me, but I'm going to go by how I look
and feel, what size clothes I wear, and how easy it is to keep losing. I
won't starve to maintain a lower weight. If I have to weigh 180 to be able
to eat comfortably, then that'll be what I do. I'd rather maintain 20
pounds above WW goal and not struggle, (which might mean eventual gains for
me because of discouragement) than be smaller and have to work all the time
at it.

My body is what it is. I wish I'd accepted that when I was younger and I
wouldn't be on this journey now. I weighed about 150 in college, and felt
really fat because my (shorter) friends weighed 130 or so.

I'm finding the same thing with exercise as you do. Each day gets a little
easier. After two miles, this morning, I felt just comfortable, not hurting
or tired at all. (my heart rate is still about 130, but I seem to be able
to handle that more easily now.)

Carol

Hi Joyce,

I love your attitude.

I expect that I should be able to drop the points fairly easily, for a while
at least. Right now, I add nuts and croutons to my salad. I like it that
way, but I can omit them some days, and not feel it too much. Also, I have
two fruits for breakfast...going without one won't be too bad. I have a
pria bar and a yoghurt tub in mid afternoon. I can manage on just one.
Just cutting those things out will take away about 4.5 points a day. The
rest of it will be having peas/carrots/lima beans less and green beans more,
etc. I've tried to be really careful about making sure I use the Flex
points on good healthy things. If I had been using them on junky snacks, it
would be harder to cut them out, I think,

My sister knows a woman who has kept her WW loss off for 20 years. She
asked her how she does it. Her answer? "I journal every day." I've made a
personal committment that I'm going to do that, even if it means staying
online with WW and paying the $4 a week...worth it if it keeps me honest.

I've eaten for years as a medication. I am starting to really look at those
issues too...just as you have.

This newsgroup is also very good for support. (except for the cross post
wars that creep in from time to time) grin...

Nice to share with you.

Carol

--
.................................................. ...........
318/254.6/169
63.4 lost since December 2002
I am a slim person in process.
.................................................. .............
"Joyce" wrote in message
news
At your height, 28-30 points should be no problem for maintenance.

I also refuse to have my suggested weight be dictated by some super-model
logic or
what society says it should be. I know where I feel good, that's what is
important. I don't think I am struggling where I am at now, since no
matter what
I do it appears I am staying here. G I don't deny myself what I want,
but I no
longer allow those indescretions on a constant daily basis. I do make
myself
thing though ... do I REALLY want that particular item, or am I thinking
about it
for some other reason (pressure from dd, boredom, etc.). Most of the time
it is
one of the latter and I can move past it. I have accepted that I am no
longer 20
years old, I don't have a problem with it. I know I will never have the
same
figure I did then. Age and childbirth have taken care of that for me. G
Know
what? I am perfectly fine with that! Hub was watching tv the other nite,
some
goofy commercial came on saying something about the weight the person was
at
marriage. He asked me if I have stayed the same weight after 21 years, I
told him
close enough. G He just laughed, swears even before ww I looked the
same to him
as the day we got married. So .... the only person I really did this
weightloss
journey for WAS me!

I do think this will be something that we all will constantly have to work
at -
regardless as to how much over our goal we are willing to sit. If not, we
wouldn't have ended up where we were when starting ww. Old habits die
hard, as
the saying goes. While I do accept what I am, I am also willing to work
every
darned day of the rest of my life to keep the weight from going back on.
And I
will also accept the fact that this will be work. If I don't work, I know
the
outcome. But ... work and struggle are two different things. I agree, I
don't
want to have to struggle.

I have no idea what my heart rate is while exercising, only know that it
has
dropped to about 65 when I'm sitting. I go by perception ... how I'm
breathing,
how I'm sweating, if I can talk, etc. Without monitors it's a guessing
game. I
do have a monitor on the treadmill but I don't use it. Most all of these
types
are incredibly inaccurate, so I refuse to give myself that false sense of
security. G Then again, I may give it a try someday just for grins.
LOL

Joyce


On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:37:48 GMT, "Carol in NC" wrote:

Hi Joyce.

Yes, I'm almost 5'9" Even averaging 41 points a day, I'm losing well
now,
so I don't see 28-30 being a problem later. (although I'd rather eat 40
points....LOL)

However, I look really good even at 200 pounds because of my height.
(about
a size 12) I took the goal WW gave me, but I'm going to go by how I look
and feel, what size clothes I wear, and how easy it is to keep losing. I
won't starve to maintain a lower weight. If I have to weigh 180 to be
able
to eat comfortably, then that'll be what I do. I'd rather maintain 20
pounds above WW goal and not struggle, (which might mean eventual gains
for
me because of discouragement) than be smaller and have to work all the
time
at it.

My body is what it is. I wish I'd accepted that when I was younger and I
wouldn't be on this journey now. I weighed about 150 in college, and
felt
really fat because my (shorter) friends weighed 130 or so.

I'm finding the same thing with exercise as you do. Each day gets a
little
easier. After two miles, this morning, I felt just comfortable, not
hurting
or tired at all. (my heart rate is still about 130, but I seem to be
able
to handle that more easily now.)

Carol

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:39:51 GMT, "Carol in NC"
wrote:

Hi everyone,

I had the best weigh in I've had in a really long time. I lost 2.6 pounds.

Way to go Carol. That's a great loss :-)
--
Erin in NZ
125/90.5/75 kgs
275.3/199.3/165 lbs

NYNY goal 180.6lbs (82 kilos)

"It is not the mountain we conquer, it is ourselves"
Sir Edmund Hilary

Thanks to all those who offered congrats.

Carol

--
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318/254.6/169
63.4 lost since December 2002
I am a slim person in process.
.................................................. .............
"Erin Marsh" wrote in message
. co.nz...
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:39:51 GMT, "Carol in NC"
wrote:

Hi everyone,

I had the best weigh in I've had in a really long time. I lost 2.6
pounds.

Way to go Carol. That's a great loss :-)
--
Erin in NZ
125/90.5/75 kgs
275.3/199.3/165 lbs

NYNY goal 180.6lbs (82 kilos)

"It is not the mountain we conquer, it is ourselves"
Sir Edmund Hilary

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:03:55 GMT, "Carol in NC" wrote:

Hi Joyce,

I love your attitude.

Thanks Carol. I guess in a nutshell I'm just a realist. I have nothing to prove
to anyone, learned many years ago that I only have to please myself. Hard lesson
to learn though (cost a few bucks too G).

I expect that I should be able to drop the points fairly easily, for a while
at least. Right now, I add nuts and croutons to my salad. I like it that
way, but I can omit them some days, and not feel it too much. Also, I have
two fruits for breakfast...going without one won't be too bad. I have a
pria bar and a yoghurt tub in mid afternoon. I can manage on just one.
Just cutting those things out will take away about 4.5 points a day. The
rest of it will be having peas/carrots/lima beans less and green beans more,
etc. I've tried to be really careful about making sure I use the Flex
points on good healthy things. If I had been using them on junky snacks, it
would be harder to cut them out, I think,

It sounds like you are working the program absolutely perfectly! Making those
necessary changes in healthy ways, but also ways that you could drop points when
necessary without really missing anything horribly. I also think (right or wrong)
that if I do have to have something extra - that extra piece of fruit is a darned
good choice, even if it takes me over points. Fruit isn't what caused my original
problem. G Occassionally my points are used on junky stuff. I will never say
I HAD to have something - it took me awhile to learn the difference between wants
and needs. Also that it was ok to want something, as long as I was able to
acknowledge it properly. It seems that when I convince myself I *need* something,
then the pattern continues uncontrollably. If I only *want* it, I can give myself
permission to have it occassionally ... and move past it. I'm learning how my
mind works for me ... as well as against me. Wierd, huh?

My sister knows a woman who has kept her WW loss off for 20 years. She
asked her how she does it. Her answer? "I journal every day." I've made a
personal committment that I'm going to do that, even if it means staying
online with WW and paying the $4 a week...worth it if it keeps me honest.

20 years? Wow, I hope I can be as successful as your sisters friend. That is a
wonderful accomplishment! I do think that's why I still continue with the ww
online system. It has worked for me, and if it continues to keep me on the right
path then the $4/week is definitely worth it. I still complain about the journal
though, and the fact that we get no lifetimer benefits. G

I've eaten for years as a medication. I am starting to really look at those
issues too...just as you have.

It is hard to face those problems and issues, they have been such major influences
in our lives for so long. There is also a tremendous amount of freedom when they
are acknowledged and conquered (somewhat). With freedom comes success ... and
better feelings about ourselves. I know my brothers aren't thrilled with the
*new* me, who now speaks up for herself and doesn't allow anyone to walk all over
her. But they are also learning to deal with it. What they are now admitting is
that I really am only back to the personality that they grew up with - not the
adult they came to know and become comfortable with. Life lessons I guess.

This newsgroup is also very good for support. (except for the cross post
wars that creep in from time to time) grin...

Ahhhhhhhhh, I don't think I ever could have come this far without the help and
support from all the fantastic people here. It's so much different when you know
that everyone really DOES understand what we are going through. We aren't alone,
we aren't only hearing *words*. This group has walked with us, has gone through
the same struggles we have, and continue to do so every day of their lives. I
think it makes a huge difference.


Nice to share with you.

And with you!

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 132.2
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Carol

--
................................................. ...........
318/254.6/169
63.4 lost since December 2002
I am a slim person in process.
................................................. .............
"Joyce" wrote in message
news
At your height, 28-30 points should be no problem for maintenance.

I also refuse to have my suggested weight be dictated by some super-model
logic or
what society says it should be. I know where I feel good, that's what is
important. I don't think I am struggling where I am at now, since no
matter what
I do it appears I am staying here. G I don't deny myself what I want,
but I no
longer allow those indescretions on a constant daily basis. I do make
myself
thing though ... do I REALLY want that particular item, or am I thinking
about it
for some other reason (pressure from dd, boredom, etc.). Most of the time
it is
one of the latter and I can move past it. I have accepted that I am no
longer 20
years old, I don't have a problem with it. I know I will never have the
same
figure I did then. Age and childbirth have taken care of that for me. G
Know
what? I am perfectly fine with that! Hub was watching tv the other nite,
some
goofy commercial came on saying something about the weight the person was
at
marriage. He asked me if I have stayed the same weight after 21 years, I
told him
close enough. G He just laughed, swears even before ww I looked the
same to him
as the day we got married. So .... the only person I really did this
weightloss
journey for WAS me!

I do think this will be something that we all will constantly have to work
at -
regardless as to how much over our goal we are willing to sit. If not, we
wouldn't have ended up where we were when starting ww. Old habits die
hard, as
the saying goes. While I do accept what I am, I am also willing to work
every
darned day of the rest of my life to keep the weight from going back on.
And I
will also accept the fact that this will be work. If I don't work, I know
the
outcome. But ... work and struggle are two different things. I agree, I
don't
want to have to struggle.

I have no idea what my heart rate is while exercising, only know that it
has
dropped to about 65 when I'm sitting. I go by perception ... how I'm
breathing,
how I'm sweating, if I can talk, etc. Without monitors it's a guessing
game. I
do have a monitor on the treadmill but I don't use it. Most all of these
types
are incredibly inaccurate, so I refuse to give myself that false sense of
security. G Then again, I may give it a try someday just for grins.
LOL

Joyce

Thanks Carol. I guess in a nutshell I'm just a realist. I have nothing
to prove
to anyone, learned many years ago that I only have to please myself. Hard
lesson
to learn though (cost a few bucks too G).

Haven't we all spent money on things that are supposed to "cure" us? I've
come to the same place. Actually, I used to try to take care of everyone
around me. Now, I'm taking care of myself and that feels good.

It sounds like you are working the program absolutely perfectly! Making
those
necessary changes in healthy ways, but also ways that you could drop
points when
necessary without really missing anything horribly. I also think (right
or wrong)
that if I do have to have something extra - that extra piece of fruit is a
darned
good choice, even if it takes me over points. Fruit isn't what caused my
original
problem. G Occassionally my points are used on junky stuff. I will
never say
I HAD to have something - it took me awhile to learn the difference
between wants
and needs. Also that it was ok to want something, as long as I was able
to
acknowledge it properly. It seems that when I convince myself I *need*
something,
then the pattern continues uncontrollably. If I only *want* it, I can
give myself
permission to have it occassionally ... and move past it. I'm learning
how my
mind works for me ... as well as against me. Wierd, huh?

One thing that is amazing to me is how little I want to eat the junky foods
now. It is as though giving myself permission to have them and fit them
into the plan made them unnecessary. Before, I always denied myself any
treats when trying to lose weight. Our family goes out to eat every Friday,
and we order one luscious (i.e.as much chocolate as possible) dessert. LOL
We get three spoons, and I have a couple of bites and feel satisfied and
proud of myself at the same time. It's become a tradition that we all love.
(We look for the dessert menu first and fight over which "one" dessert to
end with. grin

20 years? Wow, I hope I can be as successful as your sisters friend.
That is a
wonderful accomplishment! I do think that's why I still continue with the
ww
online system. It has worked for me, and if it continues to keep me on
the right
path then the $4/week is definitely worth it. I still complain about the
journal
though, and the fact that we get no lifetimer benefits. G

I agree on the $4 a week. I've decided that I'm committed to doing that
forever if that's what it takes. I may join a meeting when I'm 10 pounds
from goal to be able to get lifemtimer benefits. I haven't decided yet. I
don't seem to need the motivation of a group this time around. Something
has clicked with me and I'm really doing this for me (and only me) and for
the right reasons.


Ahhhhhhhhh, I don't think I ever could have come this far without the help
and
support from all the fantastic people here. It's so much different when
you know
that everyone really DOES understand what we are going through. We aren't
alone,
we aren't only hearing *words*. This group has walked with us, has gone
through
the same struggles we have, and continue to do so every day of their
lives. I
think it makes a huge difference.

That is true. My husband is very supportive, but he gets tired of the WW
talk after a while. A person who is also following the program will gladly
listen to you talk about points, ad infinitum, if that's what you need for
support.

Best of luck in your continued success....

Carol

--
.................................................. ...........
318/250/169
68 lost since December 2002
I am a slim person in process.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 132.2
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Carol

--
................................................. ...........
318/254.6/169
63.4 lost since December 2002
I am a slim person in process.
................................................. .............
"Joyce" wrote in message
news
At your height, 28-30 points should be no problem for maintenance.

I also refuse to have my suggested weight be dictated by some
super-model
logic or
what society says it should be. I know where I feel good, that's what
is
important. I don't think I am struggling where I am at now, since no
matter what
I do it appears I am staying here. G I don't deny myself what I
want,
but I no
longer allow those indescretions on a constant daily basis. I do make
myself
thing though ... do I REALLY want that particular item, or am I
thinking
about it
for some other reason (pressure from dd, boredom, etc.). Most of the
time
it is
one of the latter and I can move past it. I have accepted that I am no
longer 20
years old, I don't have a problem with it. I know I will never have
the
same
figure I did then. Age and childbirth have taken care of that for me.
G
Know
what? I am perfectly fine with that! Hub was watching tv the other
nite,
some
goofy commercial came on saying something about the weight the person
was
at
marriage. He asked me if I have stayed the same weight after 21 years,
I
told him
close enough. G He just laughed, swears even before ww I looked the
same to him
as the day we got married. So .... the only person I really did this
weightloss
journey for WAS me!

I do think this will be something that we all will constantly have to
work
at -
regardless as to how much over our goal we are willing to sit. If not,
we
wouldn't have ended up where we were when starting ww. Old habits die
hard, as
the saying goes. While I do accept what I am, I am also willing to
work
every
darned day of the rest of my life to keep the weight from going back
on.
And I
will also accept the fact that this will be work. If I don't work, I
know
the
outcome. But ... work and struggle are two different things. I agree,
I
don't
want to have to struggle.

I have no idea what my heart rate is while exercising, only know that
it
has
dropped to about 65 when I'm sitting. I go by perception ... how I'm
breathing,
how I'm sweating, if I can talk, etc. Without monitors it's a guessing
game. I
do have a monitor on the treadmill but I don't use it. Most all of
these
types
are incredibly inaccurate, so I refuse to give myself that false sense
of
security. G Then again, I may give it a try someday just for grins.
LOL

Joyce