Zero points food

I have not posted yet on this, but I agree with Su.

Anny, you are attacking him and causing him to feel as though he is failing
for even trying. Let him be! We all have our own idiosyncrasies and his is
veggies. It happens to also be mine. But to attack him for trying to get
healthier is not the way to support him in this forum. He is asking for
some help and you have been very condescending to him. Not everyone is
perfect and everyone works the program to their best advantage, that is the
wonderful thing about the WW program it is flexible for everyone's life and
also their style of eating. It is an adaptable program and can work. But
to berate someone for not following what you have taken as gospel is not a
very supportive means of doing things and also takes down our group here, as
most of us are very supportive of each others weight loss efforts.

Debbie

"Anny Middon" wrote in message
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"Geoff" wrote in message
...
"Anny Middon" wrote in message
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I've given some thought to this, Geoff, and I now believe that perhaps
Weight Watchers isn't the right diet for you. It's the right plan for
those
of us here, but I firmly beleive there is no plan that's right for
everyone.
And there are three strikes against it for you:

1. You don't want to go to meetings.

What have meetings got to do with the points method though? I'm not with
WW,
I'm using their points method because having a target to work towards is
a
good idea.

Go to www.weigh****chers.com, and you'll see prominently displayed
"Meetings
are our best way to lose weight." WW is not a diet, it's a program -- and
part of the program is the meetings. As I've said before I don't go to
meetings, but I'm very aware that I'm not truly following the WW program
even if I am scrupulous about the rest of it.

But you're also not really following the point system. You've admitted
that
you don't know how many points omeone at your weight is supposed to eat,
and
it's pretty certain that the number you've targetted for yourself is
probably not the number the WW system dictates. You also don't seem to be
following the two dairy servings, five vegetable/fruit servings per day
part
of the program either.

What you're left with is basically a calorie counting program, using WW
points as a proxy for calories. There's nothing wrong with that, but you
can't really call it Weight Watchers.

2. You're not satisfied with the amount of food you can eat for your
point
target.

Of course I'm not satisfied-Who is? If I was satisfied with the amount
of
food, I wouldn't be fat in the first place.

I am satisfied with the amount of food I'm eating, and have been since my
first day on the program about six weeks ago. Like you, I have a
significant amount of weight to lose. From time to time I get a bout of
the
"hungries" but then I either eat some zero-point veggies (a handful of raw
baby carrots usually) or use some of my FlexPoints for some microwave
popcorn (the 94% fat-free variety).

3. You're unwilling or unable to eat nearly all vegetables and
fruits.

I can and do eat some fruits but I do not like vegetables and I can't
help
that.

Anny, I'm doing the best I can and this is the only way I've found that
gives me any hope at all. Then I read someone tell me that it isn't the
right diet for me and it makes me feel like crying, it really does. I've
just come back from my daily walk which leaves me in one hell of a state
that most people here will never comprehend, and I read a post telling
me
that I'm not doing the right thing. I am in a real state with my weight
and
finally had the guts to try something that's really hard for me, and I
AM
managing, so why are people trying to put me off? You'll probably say
that
you aren't trying to put me off, but it really does come across that
way.

This is what I don't understand, Geoff -- there are a lot of diet programs
out there, many of which work. Why is the Weight Watchers point system
any
different to you than counting calories? Go to alt.support.diet and
you'll
find a lot of people who are losing weight by counting calories.


This one is a double-whammy since it means that you can't make your
food
intake more satisfying by eating zero-point veggies, and you can't
regularly
meet the goal of 5 servings of fruit and vegetables per day.

I didn't know there was such a goal to be honest. I can't do anything
about
that anyway.

As an aside I'll ask: Have you considered doing Atkins or another
low-carb
approach?

I've heard too many bad things about that. It's also too restrictive.

My main advice to you though is this: You've said that you're willing
to
spend some money if necessary. In that case, I think you should
consult
with a professional dietician to get a diet plan that's right for you.

What would a dietition tell me to do? He/she would list a load of things
to
eat, which would include 90% of things that I do not like. I don't want
or
need to be patronised by a dietition telling me I need to lose weight,
to
eat vegetables, to get exercise. I am very well aware of all that and
I'm
just doing my best with these points.

A professional dietician will go over lists of foods with you and
determine
which ones you like, which you're not crazy about but will eat, and which
ones you despise. Based on your current weight and activity level, the
dietician will devise a program customized to your needs and preferences
and
designed to provide you with a diet that meets your nutritional needs.
Often times these are composed of lists of foods that fit certain criteria
and your program will allow you to pick two from group A, one from group B
and two from Group C for instance for a meal.

You will probably be required to write down everything you eat, a step
that
Weight Watchers highly recommends and most successful dieters do anyway,
at
least in the first several months. The dietician will go over your food
journal and identify any nutritional inadequacies and make adjustments to
your program as needed. From time to time, the dietician will review your
program and reduce the number of servings in certain food groups to assure
that you continue to lose weight slowly and steadily, the healthy way to
lose.

A professional dietician will not be condescending or patronising -- he or
she makes a living counselling people like us.

Periodic revisits with the dietician will help you keep on track and
allow
for adjustment to your diet as needed.

You make it sound so simple.

What do you find so complicated about the Weight Watchers point system?
The
truth is that losing weight is both simple (eat fewer calories than you
expend) and very difficult to do.

If you don't want to go to a dietician, then I highly recommend you use
Fitday to track your eating and activity levels. I use the downloadable
version, for which I paid $20 US, but most use the online (www.fitday.com)
version. I assume they're pretty much the same.

Input your current weight. And if your scale doesn't go that high, buy
another scale -- no, you don't need an expensive one that weighs larger
amounts, just an additional scale. Put a board across the two scales and
get the weight of the board by adding the amount shown on both scales.
Now
step on the board and get the weight shown on each scale. Add the two
weights, subtract the weight of the board and bingo! you have your current
weight within a pound or two. (I got this trick from alt.support.diet,
where it recently came up.)

Input your current activity level. If it's like mine, it's pretty
sedentary. Fitday will tell you how many calories you're eating per day
to
maintain your current weight. Now subtract 500 or 1000 from that number
to
get a target calorie level -- this will allow you to lose a safe 1 to 2
pounds per week. (Weight Watchers does this with points, but it's really
the
same thing.)

Use Fitday's nutritional analysis to see how you're doing in terms of
eating
enough vitamins and minerals. Tweak your diet as appropriate to assure
you're eating healthily. (This is what that dietician would do for you.
It's also what Weight Watchers does with the five veggies/fruits per day
and
two or three dairy servings -- I find if I've had my three or four veggies
and a fruit or two and a couple of dairy servings, Fitday tells me I've
met
the US RDA for nutrients.)

Weigh yourself weekly and use Fitday to track your progress. Adjust your
calorie target as appropriate based on your declining weight. (Weight
Watchers does this with adjustments to your target points. That dietician
would do it with periodic progress meetings and adjustments to your diet.)

Set yourself some goals. Start with a small one -- maybe to lose 5 kilos.
Add a very popular longer-term goal -- to lose 10% of your current weight.
Set rewards for yourself when you make your goals -- nonfood, of course,
like buying a CD you've wanted for losing 5 kilos, and some new clothes
(which you'll need) when you've lost 10%.

As I said before, losing weight is not at all easy -- in fact, it's
difficult enough that most overweight people never manage to do it. But
it
is simple.

Anny

Geoff,

I too am not a fan of veggies, but you said you like burgers, do you eat
them with tomato, onion or lettuce or plain with mayo, ketchup and mustard?
If you eat them on your burgers, then you can count them towards your
veggies. I personally eat my burgers with only ketchup. Also, did you
realize that most bananas count as two fruits. I think you would be able to
get your fruits/veggies in with fruits if that is what you like. A serving
of fruit is not much, but it can count as a lot towards your fruits and
veggies. I also asked my WW leader about Veggie burgers and such and she
told me if I had a hard time getting all my veggies in and I ate those that
they count towards the veggies also. Also potatoes and corn are veggies, as
someone else stated they are not zero point veggies, but they do count as a
vegetable. So you may be surprised with a potato and a banana and one other
fruit/veggie and you have had your minimum for the day. Also did you know
fruit juices also count towards the fruits and veggies, granted they don't
fill you up but at least you get your minimums fulfilled.

Debbie

319.4/273.6/(WNM challenge goal 269)/150

"Geoff" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I don't belong to Weight Watchers but my Mother does so I've got a lot of
information from her.

2 weeks ago I started counting my points and I keep a log of it all on my
own database. For my first 2 weeks my week total has been higher than my
target, but considering the way I used to eat I think I'm actually don't
quite well. Also, the daily target I've chosen is for someone weighing
less
than me, but it's the maximum that's mentioned on the chart in the WW
Handbook (which stupidly doesn't give daily points for people who are
anything more than just a bit fat!).

My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like any
food
that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the way I am
and I can't do anything about it. The main problem is that I don't like
vegetables. The only sort of vegetables I can eat without feeling like I
want to be sick is potatoes (if they are a vegetables? I think they're
supposed to be).

I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher
points.
The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't something
I
can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet. The problem I have is that I
need to eat SOMEthing, and if I feel like giving up (like I do right now)
I
need to eat a lot of it. I don't know of any zero points food that I
actually like (or can even put up with). The best I sometimes do when I
really need to eat, is to munch on Rivetas with yeast extract. Yeast
Extract
is zero points but Rivetas are still 0.5 points each. They taste like
saw-dust but I don't mind them and it's something to put in my mouth and
take the desperate starving feeling partially away.

Has anyone got any ideas what I could munch on please that's either zero
points of close to it, that isn't vegetables?

Thanks,
Geoff.

Very well said, Su. I think there have been many people in this forum who have
achieved weight loss by picking apart various programs and using the parts that
work best for THEM, in a matter that works best for them. I view the *points*
portion of the ww program as only a simplified method of counting calories. If
this is an easier method for someone to use, than adding each individual calorie -
by all means USE IT! Most of us here have who do follow the ww program, have
been the first to say that many things will not work for everyone. Take what you
find that works for you and run with it. Weightloss methods vary for each
individual, for different lifestyles. Nothing is really right or wrong (as far as
I'm concerned anyway).

Joyce

On Sun, 30 May 2004 21:19:00 +0100, "Su"
wrote:

I don't mean to stick me beak in here... well actually I do.. It's just that
Geoff has made it clear that he's not on the weight watcher's program - He's
using their point system as a means of controlling calories and exercise --
And it really is a great simple and convenient system. And he says maybe in
the future he'll try vegetables and extend that side of his eating. He's
taken this points system and created his own diet / losing weight program --
and that's great. It's a lot easier than counting calories all the time - it
gives a little more freedom, and is working for him right now.

It seems as though you're shunning him because he isn't properly in the
weight watchers club. We should all be supportive, after all we all know how
hard this is.

Su




"Anny Middon" wrote in message
gy.com...
"Geoff" wrote in message
...
"Anny Middon" wrote in message
y.com...
I've given some thought to this, Geoff, and I now believe that perhaps
Weight Watchers isn't the right diet for you. It's the right plan for
those
of us here, but I firmly beleive there is no plan that's right for
everyone.
And there are three strikes against it for you:

1. You don't want to go to meetings.

What have meetings got to do with the points method though? I'm not with
WW,
I'm using their points method because having a target to work towards is
a
good idea.

Go to www.weigh****chers.com, and you'll see prominently displayed
"Meetings
are our best way to lose weight." WW is not a diet, it's a program -- and
part of the program is the meetings. As I've said before I don't go to
meetings, but I'm very aware that I'm not truly following the WW program
even if I am scrupulous about the rest of it.

But you're also not really following the point system. You've admitted
that
you don't know how many points omeone at your weight is supposed to eat,
and
it's pretty certain that the number you've targetted for yourself is
probably not the number the WW system dictates. You also don't seem to be
following the two dairy servings, five vegetable/fruit servings per day
part
of the program either.

What you're left with is basically a calorie counting program, using WW
points as a proxy for calories. There's nothing wrong with that, but you
can't really call it Weight Watchers.

2. You're not satisfied with the amount of food you can eat for your
point
target.

Of course I'm not satisfied-Who is? If I was satisfied with the amount
of
food, I wouldn't be fat in the first place.

I am satisfied with the amount of food I'm eating, and have been since my
first day on the program about six weeks ago. Like you, I have a
significant amount of weight to lose. From time to time I get a bout of
the
"hungries" but then I either eat some zero-point veggies (a handful of raw
baby carrots usually) or use some of my FlexPoints for some microwave
popcorn (the 94% fat-free variety).

3. You're unwilling or unable to eat nearly all vegetables and
fruits.

I can and do eat some fruits but I do not like vegetables and I can't
help
that.

Anny, I'm doing the best I can and this is the only way I've found that
gives me any hope at all. Then I read someone tell me that it isn't the
right diet for me and it makes me feel like crying, it really does. I've
just come back from my daily walk which leaves me in one hell of a state
that most people here will never comprehend, and I read a post telling
me
that I'm not doing the right thing. I am in a real state with my weight
and
finally had the guts to try something that's really hard for me, and I
AM
managing, so why are people trying to put me off? You'll probably say
that
you aren't trying to put me off, but it really does come across that
way.

This is what I don't understand, Geoff -- there are a lot of diet programs
out there, many of which work. Why is the Weight Watchers point system
any
different to you than counting calories? Go to alt.support.diet and
you'll
find a lot of people who are losing weight by counting calories.


This one is a double-whammy since it means that you can't make your
food
intake more satisfying by eating zero-point veggies, and you can't
regularly
meet the goal of 5 servings of fruit and vegetables per day.

I didn't know there was such a goal to be honest. I can't do anything
about
that anyway.

As an aside I'll ask: Have you considered doing Atkins or another
low-carb
approach?

I've heard too many bad things about that. It's also too restrictive.

My main advice to you though is this: You've said that you're willing
to
spend some money if necessary. In that case, I think you should
consult
with a professional dietician to get a diet plan that's right for you.

What would a dietition tell me to do? He/she would list a load of things
to
eat, which would include 90% of things that I do not like. I don't want
or
need to be patronised by a dietition telling me I need to lose weight,
to
eat vegetables, to get exercise. I am very well aware of all that and
I'm
just doing my best with these points.

A professional dietician will go over lists of foods with you and
determine
which ones you like, which you're not crazy about but will eat, and which
ones you despise. Based on your current weight and activity level, the
dietician will devise a program customized to your needs and preferences
and
designed to provide you with a diet that meets your nutritional needs.
Often times these are composed of lists of foods that fit certain criteria
and your program will allow you to pick two from group A, one from group B
and two from Group C for instance for a meal.

You will probably be required to write down everything you eat, a step
that
Weight Watchers highly recommends and most successful dieters do anyway,
at
least in the first several months. The dietician will go over your food
journal and identify any nutritional inadequacies and make adjustments to
your program as needed. From time to time, the dietician will review your
program and reduce the number of servings in certain food groups to assure
that you continue to lose weight slowly and steadily, the healthy way to
lose.

A professional dietician will not be condescending or patronising -- he or
she makes a living counselling people like us.

Periodic revisits with the dietician will help you keep on track and
allow
for adjustment to your diet as needed.

You make it sound so simple.

What do you find so complicated about the Weight Watchers point system?
The
truth is that losing weight is both simple (eat fewer calories than you
expend) and very difficult to do.

If you don't want to go to a dietician, then I highly recommend you use
Fitday to track your eating and activity levels. I use the downloadable
version, for which I paid $20 US, but most use the online (www.fitday.com)
version. I assume they're pretty much the same.

Input your current weight. And if your scale doesn't go that high, buy
another scale -- no, you don't need an expensive one that weighs larger
amounts, just an additional scale. Put a board across the two scales and
get the weight of the board by adding the amount shown on both scales.
Now
step on the board and get the weight shown on each scale. Add the two
weights, subtract the weight of the board and bingo! you have your current
weight within a pound or two. (I got this trick from alt.support.diet,
where it recently came up.)

Input your current activity level. If it's like mine, it's pretty
sedentary. Fitday will tell you how many calories you're eating per day
to
maintain your current weight. Now subtract 500 or 1000 from that number
to
get a target calorie level -- this will allow you to lose a safe 1 to 2
pounds per week. (Weight Watchers does this with points, but it's really
the
same thing.)

Use Fitday's nutritional analysis to see how you're doing in terms of
eating
enough vitamins and minerals. Tweak your diet as appropriate to assure
you're eating healthily. (This is what that dietician would do for you.
It's also what Weight Watchers does with the five veggies/fruits per day
and
two or three dairy servings -- I find if I've had my three or four veggies
and a fruit or two and a couple of dairy servings, Fitday tells me I've
met
the US RDA for nutrients.)

Weigh yourself weekly and use Fitday to track your progress. Adjust your
calorie target as appropriate based on your declining weight. (Weight
Watchers does this with adjustments to your target points. That dietician
would do it with periodic progress meetings and adjustments to your diet.)

Set yourself some goals. Start with a small one -- maybe to lose 5 kilos.
Add a very popular longer-term goal -- to lose 10% of your current weight.
Set rewards for yourself when you make your goals -- nonfood, of course,
like buying a CD you've wanted for losing 5 kilos, and some new clothes
(which you'll need) when you've lost 10%.

As I said before, losing weight is not at all easy -- in fact, it's
difficult enough that most overweight people never manage to do it. But
it
is simple.

Anny

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
I have not posted yet on this, but I agree with Su.

Anny, you are attacking him and causing him to feel as though he is
failing
for even trying. Let him be! We all have our own idiosyncrasies and his
is
veggies. It happens to also be mine. But to attack him for trying to get
healthier is not the way to support him in this forum. He is asking for
some help and you have been very condescending to him. Not everyone is
perfect and everyone works the program to their best advantage, that is
the
wonderful thing about the WW program it is flexible for everyone's life
and
also their style of eating. It is an adaptable program and can work. But
to berate someone for not following what you have taken as gospel is not a
very supportive means of doing things and also takes down our group here,
as
most of us are very supportive of each others weight loss efforts.

Debbie


Hello Debbie. I really appreciate you sticking up for me Debbie. I'm glad
others can see that Anny in the same way as I have and that it isn't just me
taking her wrong or something. I don't understand why Anny is being like
that at all. It helps a lot when people like you are being supportive of me
and the way I am.

Thanks Debbie,
Geoff.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
I too am not a fan of veggies, but you said you like burgers, do you eat
them with tomato, onion or lettuce or plain with mayo, ketchup and
mustard?

Hi again Debbie. Well I haven't eaten one burger since starting to lose
weight. I'm embarrassed to say that I don't like tomato, onion, lettue or
may or mustard! Kinda funny in a way isn't it? I used to have burgers with
just cheese and nothing else. I don't consider a burger something I should
eat on a diet though so I'm staying well clear of them. I know I could still
have one but it would take up too many points, and there are a few other
things I like anyway that are less points, so I can have more of them to
help fill me up.

I actually didn't realise that you have to eat 5 (I think people have said
5, right?) bits of fruit or veggies per day with the points system. Lots of
people have told me that though so I don't know why my Mother (who is
following WW 'properly') hasn't mentioned that to me. I wonder if the
American and British points system are slightly different? I know you're
American by the way (because of how you spelt 'realize'). :-) Anyway I'll
ask my Mother what she's been told about it when I see her.

Also, did you realize that most bananas count as two fruits.

No I didn't, and as I like bananas, that's a good thing.

I think you would be able to get your fruits/veggies in with fruits if
that
is what you like. A serving of fruit is not much, but it can count as a
lot
towards your fruits and veggies.

That's great. I realise I need to change what I currently eat to include
fruit properly. At the moment I just have a banana if I feel like it, but
that's not even one a day. When I go shopping though I am going to buy other
fruit that I like and I'll have that instead of some of the other things I'm
eating at the moment. At the moment, for something sweet after a meal (or my
version of a meal anyway!) I either have a cereal bar or a bown of cereal.
At least cereal gives me some of what I know I need like fibre, and it's
better than eating cakes.

Also potatoes and corn are veggies, as someone else stated they are
not zero point veggies, but they do count as a vegetable. So you may
be surprised with a potato and a banana and one other fruit/veggie and
you have had your minimum for the day.

Well I like potatoes-It just takes a while to prepare and cook them so that
puts me off, but I suppose the ones you get in a tin are ok? I have some of
those tins so I'll look up the points for them and see how possible it'll be
to have a tin of those a day. Then I just need to find something to have
with them.

Also did you know fruit juices also count towards the fruits and
veggies, granted they don't fill you up but at least you get your minimums
fulfilled.

I didn't know that, no. I only really like apple juice so I'll look up what
the points are for that too.

Thanks for all the information and support Debbie.
Geoff.

Thanks you, Lee
Laura wrote in message
...
Corn, peas and potatoes are veggies in my book. They might not be 0 point
veggies but I still count them as veggies. And if I have the points
available I will eat them.

The only thing I eat "sparingly" these days are chocolate, cheese and
pizza
(foods that I have little or no willpower when they are around). But WW
does
not prevent you from eating them nor do they dictate that they be eaten
sparingly. That's not the nature of the program.

"tulsaNgreg " wrote in message
...
Sweetheart.........I hate to be the one to break the news to you BUT,
potatoes are not a vegie they are a carb along with corn and peas they
are
also condidered carb/bread group. And to be eaten sparingly.
I know it sucks: )



"Geoff" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I don't belong to Weight Watchers but my Mother does so I've got a lot
of
information from her.

2 weeks ago I started counting my points and I keep a log of it all on
my
own database. For my first 2 weeks my week total has been higher than
my
target, but considering the way I used to eat I think I'm actually
don't
quite well. Also, the daily target I've chosen is for someone weighing
less
than me, but it's the maximum that's mentioned on the chart in the WW
Handbook (which stupidly doesn't give daily points for people who are
anything more than just a bit fat!).

My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like any
food
that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the way
I
am
and I can't do anything about it. The main problem is that I don't
like
vegetables. The only sort of vegetables I can eat without feeling like
I
want to be sick is potatoes (if they are a vegetables? I think they're
supposed to be).

I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher
points.
The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't
something
I
can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet. The problem I have is that
I
need to eat SOMEthing, and if I feel like giving up (like I do right
now)
I
need to eat a lot of it. I don't know of any zero points food that I
actually like (or can even put up with). The best I sometimes do when
I
really need to eat, is to munch on Rivetas with yeast extract. Yeast
Extract
is zero points but Rivetas are still 0.5 points each. They taste like
saw-dust but I don't mind them and it's something to put in my mouth
and
take the desperate starving feeling partially away.

Has anyone got any ideas what I could munch on please that's either
zero
points of close to it, that isn't vegetables?

Thanks,
Geoff.

Great goal and great meeting it, Lee
Geoff wrote in message
...
"Laura" wrote in message
...
Try not to look at WW as a diet. Look at it as a way of life and maybe
you'll last longer. Make one change at a time towards healthier eating.

I'd like to look at it this way but considering how incredibly fussy I am
with what I eat, there is so little that I can have, so I can't eat much
of
what I DO like. I hope that makes sense! So, for me, it is definately a
diet
at the moment but I would like to change that. I don't know how or when
but
I would like to be able to.

I think you had a goal without realising it. The fact that you can now
see
your weight is an accomplishment. We make little goals. They could be 5
pounds by x date or something like that. It helps break up the long
journey
that some of us have.

I only have massive goals at the moment but I do take your point and I
will
think about establishing some sensible goals for myself once I am sure
I'll
be able to stick to this. In fact one goal is to stick with it for more
than
a week, and I have done so already as I am on my 4th week. Well I've
been dieting for over 3 weeks but doing the points system for 3 by the end
of today.

Geoff.

and if you can eat bananas and grapes, the suggestion is five fruits and
vegetables a day, so just do the ones you like and worry about new ones
later, Lee
Geoff wrote in message
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"skiur" wrote in message
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Geoff,

It's up to you wether or not you succeed or fail. You've been doing
well
for 3 weeks. You will succeed if you want to succeed. It might mean
that
you would have to eat a few ounces of your most favorite foods instead
of
the quantities you ate in the past. You don't *need* to eat any way
that
you do not want to eat.

That said...you might find that your tastes will change. Unfathomable
at
the moment, but who knows. The other reason veggies and greens are
suggested is because there are nutrients found in them. Vitamins are
only
good to a point. Nature provides the best form, but again it's not
absolutely neccessary.


Thanks for writing Julie. I agree with what you say and I am determined to
succeed. I don't think that I'll never like veggies, I just don't think
that
at the moment I can face trying that's all. I believe my tastes could
change
and I hope they do.

Geoff.

No one here will be offended if you don't comment, we all offer lots of
things, and we all take and leave as suits us, I am glad you are still
reading and picking out what you want. Lee
Geoff wrote in message
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"Miss Violette" wrote in message
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remember take what you like leave the rest, Lee

I am doing that but I don't like ignoring what people have taken the time
and trouble to write, whether I disagree or not.

Geoff.

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
and if you can eat bananas and grapes, the suggestion is five fruits and
vegetables a day, so just do the ones you like and worry about new ones
later, Lee


Yep that's what I'm going to do. Soon I'll go shopping and will get some
fruit that I like (apples, bananas and grapes) and do various things with
them that's been suggested in this thread.

Geoff.