Zero points food

I so Do!
Especially lollie ones

--
krys

UK 157/128.4/126
Started March 1st 2001
GOAL August 16th 2001
....going down?...

"Fred" wrote in message
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You do NOT need any additional snacking ideas! (G)

On Sat, 29 May 2004 17:39:03 +0100, "krys"
wrote:


Also sugar free jelly isn't *that* bad, but my stock snack is
mullerlight yoghurts at 1.5 points each and Strawberry Sun Lollies at
0.5 points a pop. (UK points btw to any americans reading!).

Good luck

Shaun


OK -where do I find these Sun Lollies? Cos that sounds good to me!

Not according to the WW book, Lee, who resents anyone saying any food is NOT
and to be eaten sparingly, as this flouts the free choice of WW
tulsaNgreg wrote in message
...
Sweetheart.........I hate to be the one to break the news to you BUT,
potatoes are not a vegie they are a carb along with corn and peas they are
also condidered carb/bread group. And to be eaten sparingly.
I know it sucks: )



"Geoff" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I don't belong to Weight Watchers but my Mother does so I've got a lot
of
information from her.

2 weeks ago I started counting my points and I keep a log of it all on
my
own database. For my first 2 weeks my week total has been higher than my
target, but considering the way I used to eat I think I'm actually don't
quite well. Also, the daily target I've chosen is for someone weighing
less
than me, but it's the maximum that's mentioned on the chart in the WW
Handbook (which stupidly doesn't give daily points for people who are
anything more than just a bit fat!).

My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like any
food
that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the way I
am
and I can't do anything about it. The main problem is that I don't like
vegetables. The only sort of vegetables I can eat without feeling like I
want to be sick is potatoes (if they are a vegetables? I think they're
supposed to be).

I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher
points.
The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't
something
I
can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet. The problem I have is that I
need to eat SOMEthing, and if I feel like giving up (like I do right
now)
I
need to eat a lot of it. I don't know of any zero points food that I
actually like (or can even put up with). The best I sometimes do when I
really need to eat, is to munch on Rivetas with yeast extract. Yeast
Extract
is zero points but Rivetas are still 0.5 points each. They taste like
saw-dust but I don't mind them and it's something to put in my mouth and
take the desperate starving feeling partially away.

Has anyone got any ideas what I could munch on please that's either zero
points of close to it, that isn't vegetables?

Thanks,
Geoff.

Try the ruta in a cabbage soup, Lee
Fred wrote in message
...
Thanks. I, too, like beets and parsnips. Not much into turnips or
rutabega.

On Sat, 29 May 2004 19:10:53 -0400, "tulsaNgreg "
wrote:

Hello I just did some checking on where beets lay in the food
categories..........................I am very very HAPPY to report that I
found out from my Dr. that beets are in the vegie category. I am doing
the
happy dance : ) LOL (Beets are my fave, I could eat them for breakfast,
lunch and supp)
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"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
As long as we are clarifying....

Beets????

Other root "veggies?"

On Fri, 28 May 2004 19:56:52 -0400, "tulsaNgreg "
wrote:

Sweetheart.........I hate to be the one to break the news to you BUT,
potatoes are not a vegie they are a carb along with corn and peas they
are
also condidered carb/bread group. And to be eaten sparingly.
I know it sucks: )



"Geoff" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I don't belong to Weight Watchers but my Mother does so I've got a
lot
of
information from her.

2 weeks ago I started counting my points and I keep a log of it all
on
my
own database. For my first 2 weeks my week total has been higher
than
my
target, but considering the way I used to eat I think I'm actually
don't
quite well. Also, the daily target I've chosen is for someone
weighing
less
than me, but it's the maximum that's mentioned on the chart in the
WW
Handbook (which stupidly doesn't give daily points for people who
are
anything more than just a bit fat!).

My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like
any
food
that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the
way I
am
and I can't do anything about it. The main problem is that I don't
like
vegetables. The only sort of vegetables I can eat without feeling
like
I
want to be sick is potatoes (if they are a vegetables? I think
they're
supposed to be).

I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher
points.
The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't
something
I
can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet. The problem I have is
that
I
need to eat SOMEthing, and if I feel like giving up (like I do right
now)
I
need to eat a lot of it. I don't know of any zero points food that I
actually like (or can even put up with). The best I sometimes do
when I
really need to eat, is to munch on Rivetas with yeast extract. Yeast
Extract
is zero points but Rivetas are still 0.5 points each. They taste
like
saw-dust but I don't mind them and it's something to put in my mouth
and
take the desperate starving feeling partially away.

Has anyone got any ideas what I could munch on please that's either
zero
points of close to it, that isn't vegetables?

Thanks,
Geoff.

perhaps you could collect the ideas you think might interest you at a later
time and when it is the right time then you can refer to your book for
ideas, that way you have what you need when you are ready and there is no
pressure at this time, Lee
Geoff wrote in message
news
"Anny Middon" wrote in message
...
Not to be snarky, but I know I don't like dirt because I've accidentally
eaten a bit here and there (when I wasn't careful enough cleaning
veggies
from the farmers' market). So, yeah, I really do know I don't like
dirt.

The thing is I know several people who were absolutely convinced they
didn't
like certain vegetables until they tried them. Case in point, a BIL and
SIL. They came to a potluck dinner we had and ended up seated next to
the
woman who brought the spinach salad. They felt that for politeness's
sake
they needed to eat a small portion. Then they had larger portions.
Then
my
SIL asked for the recipe.

Turned out they'd never actually had raw spinach before, but they were
sure
they wouldn't like it.

Do you like pizza? If so, try just some pizza sauce, maybe spread on a
piece of high-fiber bread. Yes, there are points in the bread, but it's
a
place to start. (And puh-leeze don't give me the bit about how the
cheese
is the best part of the pizza. You're not eating pizza here, you're
finding
a vegetable to be your jumping off point for others.) Or make some
brown
rice (use no fat in cooking it) and try some pizza sauce with that.

Do you like spaghetti with marinara sauce? If so, try a small dish of
just
the sauce. Or lightly cook some zucchini (help needed here -- I can't
remember what Right Pondians call zucchini) and douse it with low-fat
marinara sauce.

Make it your goal to try one new vegetable each week. If you have
farmers'
market near you, try finding some new ones there -- and the people will
give
you tips on cooking the vegetable. Cruise the frozen veggie section in
your
market. Buy a bottle of fat-free salad dressing and try some veggies
doused
with it. Or just splash the veggies with balsamic vinegar and add some
salt
and pepper.


Hi Anny. I just can't do all the things you suggest. I can't try a new
veggie per week when at the moment I don't even want to eat one veggie and
I
am managing to stick to my points without eating them. I know I should eat
them but if I can possibly put it off, I will. I'm under enough stress as
it
is with the diet and related things, but to feel like I HAVE to eat
veggies
too really isn't helping. Also, I don't like other things you mentioned
such
as the pizza sauce (hence I never eat pizza), salsa, marinara sauce, and
just about everything else you mentioned! I am extreemely fussy with food.
I
accept I may have to force myself to change that but now isn't the time. I
need to sort my weight out a bit first and try to feel happier with myself
and life in general, and then maybe I'll try these foods. I just don't
need
to now though so why put myself through it?

Geoff.

Jeff no one is criticizing you. Just take what suggestions help disregard
the rest. I think icecube crunching is a good thing if it helps, a friend
crushes then adds a bit of splendia and Somme food color and sometimes a
tiny bit of flavor, Lee
Geoff wrote in message
...
"Nathalie W" wrote in message
...
Hey Geoff,

I was wondering : maybe if you could tell us what you really like, or
maybe
give us an idea of how a day's menu looks like for you, we could able to
give you some suggestions ?


Hi Nathalie. Well what I used to eat is terrible things like burgers,
chips,
bread, cakes, biscuits (cookies if you're American), etc. All just bad
things like that. I do love chicken though so that's a good thing. Please
don't tell me that the things I mentioned are bad because I know all that
already.

If I told you what I ate daily at the moment everyone would have a good
laugh and lecture me on how I must change it! I know all the things that
are
bad for me and what is good for me. My original post was just for
suggestions on zero points food in the hope that someone would suggest
something I wouldn't mind eating.

The way I see it now is that I hardly like anything, but at least I am
trying my best to lose weight by eating the same old stuff every day. I
don't like veggies or sauces or anything that people are suggesting. There
have been a few suggestions I will try but nothing that involves veggies.
It's all very well for people to critisise me for that but please try to
understand that a lot of what people are writing is actually putting me
off
bothering because I'm made to feel like I HAVE to eat certain things. At
my
stage on life (I'm 35) and at my weight, if I don't do something about it
then I'll probably die before too long. That is the facts of it and I'm
not
going to pretend otherwise. So, I am doing the only thing I can in order
to
lose the weight. I cannot force myself to like food that has previously
made
me feel sick. So many posts here, even though I've said that I can't eat
vegetables, suggest all these various vegetables I should eat. Well I just
can't! Yes maybe one day I could, but right now I cannot do it. If I could
not find anything else to eat that would help me lose weight then fair
enough, I would be forced to try more things, but I am managing on the
plain
boring stuff day after day. I am sticking to my points very well (although
not perfectly) and have done so for 3 weeks now. That is not much short of
a
miracle going by my previous diet attempts. I do not feel like I am able
to
try new things. I want to but I can't bring myself to do it and the more
pressure I receive, the worse I feel because it just makes me angry that
people don't try to understand me better.

Please believe me Nathalie-There is nothing you could suggest I eat that I
would like. I was hoping at first somebody would know of the sort of food
I
like that I could munch on when I really feel hungry, but I realise now
that
such food doesn't exist. The best thing that helps me is water with ice
cubes because I like the water, it's good for me, plus I can munch on the
ice cubes when the water has all gone.

Geoff.

Corn, peas and potatoes are veggies in my book. They might not be 0 point
veggies but I still count them as veggies. And if I have the points
available I will eat them.

The only thing I eat "sparingly" these days are chocolate, cheese and pizza
(foods that I have little or no willpower when they are around). But WW does
not prevent you from eating them nor do they dictate that they be eaten
sparingly. That's not the nature of the program.

"tulsaNgreg " wrote in message
...
Sweetheart.........I hate to be the one to break the news to you BUT,
potatoes are not a vegie they are a carb along with corn and peas they are
also condidered carb/bread group. And to be eaten sparingly.
I know it sucks: )



"Geoff" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I don't belong to Weight Watchers but my Mother does so I've got a lot
of
information from her.

2 weeks ago I started counting my points and I keep a log of it all on
my
own database. For my first 2 weeks my week total has been higher than my
target, but considering the way I used to eat I think I'm actually don't
quite well. Also, the daily target I've chosen is for someone weighing
less
than me, but it's the maximum that's mentioned on the chart in the WW
Handbook (which stupidly doesn't give daily points for people who are
anything more than just a bit fat!).

My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like any
food
that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the way I
am
and I can't do anything about it. The main problem is that I don't like
vegetables. The only sort of vegetables I can eat without feeling like I
want to be sick is potatoes (if they are a vegetables? I think they're
supposed to be).

I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher
points.
The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't
something
I
can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet. The problem I have is that I
need to eat SOMEthing, and if I feel like giving up (like I do right
now)
I
need to eat a lot of it. I don't know of any zero points food that I
actually like (or can even put up with). The best I sometimes do when I
really need to eat, is to munch on Rivetas with yeast extract. Yeast
Extract
is zero points but Rivetas are still 0.5 points each. They taste like
saw-dust but I don't mind them and it's something to put in my mouth and
take the desperate starving feeling partially away.

Has anyone got any ideas what I could munch on please that's either zero
points of close to it, that isn't vegetables?

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Geoff" wrote in message
...
"frood" wrote in message
m...
IMNHO, WW seems to be one of the most flexible, adaptable plans around.
Just
look at the wide variety of people who post here, and there are millions
more who don't!

Hi Wendy and thanks for replying.

As someone else suggested earlier in this thread, starting one step at a
time is a good way to get going. You've already done the following:
Realized you want to make a change (this is probably the biggest,
hardest
steps)
Looked at your food intake, both calorie-wise and nutrition-wise
You posted here, seeking information
You took a walk today.
I'm sure there are more things you've done that you have not posted
about.

Yes I walk just about every day and have been for about 2 years now. It's
only the last few weeks I've tried dieting, although I've tried SO many
times before. 3 weeks is pretty good though for me to still be going
strong.

Try not to look at WW as a diet. Look at it as a way of life and maybe
you'll last longer. Make one change at a time towards healthier eating.

I realised I wanted to make a change about 20 years ago by the way.

So far, these are all positive steps. Small changes add up to big ones.
Do
one thing toward your goal. (Did you set a goal? I don't mean a weight
necessarily, but is there something you'd like to do? Fit in a movie
seat?
Walk without getting out of breath? Tie your shoes? G) Do that one
thing
again tomorrow. When you are ready, do more things, one at a time. This
is
not a race. (thank goodness, cuz I hate competition!)

I don't really have a goal at the moment. I don't find long-term goals are
very helpful for me. One thing that happened a few days ago though was
that
the scales we have here actually didn't say 'overload' when I stood on
them!
So that was great. I don't know how much I've lost because of that
unfortunately but at least I can track it now, and I will do so on a
weekly
basis.

I think you had a goal without realising it. The fact that you can now see
your weight is an accomplishment. We make little goals. They could be 5
pounds by x date or something like that. It helps break up the long journey
that some of us have.

You might find it helpful to write down your reasons for wanting to
change.
Then, on bad days, you can take out your list and renew your decision.

It's a good idea but to be honest I am very aware of it. I'm very
over-weight, so it's not just a few pounds I need to lose. My life is
totally ruled by my weight problem so the reasons for losing it are on my
mind constantly, all day every day. My weight affects just about
everything
I do, or should I say don't do.

Again, this is all my opinion, offered without being asked, free to be
discarded just as easily.

No problem, and I appreciate you giving it.

Geoff.

if you did try the soup combo you would need to think of it like your walk,
for the benefits, not the points deal, Lee
Geoff wrote in message
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"Fred" wrote in message
...
I guess I will tack on here, since this is the current string going.

To just throw this out since your aversion to veggies seems complete -
there have been some studies that some folks have taste receptors that
might tend to emphasize the BITTER aspects of things like Broccoli,
etc. They hate veggies and the taste is what puts them off. It might
be possible that you suffer from this taste sensitivity.

Hi Fred. Yeah you maybe right about that? Interesting, I hadn't heard of
that before.

Your comment about tomato soup might help with Shaun's suggestion.
Tomato soup probably emphasizes the sweetness of the tomato. Maybe
with enough soup as a base you could blend up some glop that
camophlarges other veggies like his wife does with the zero point
soup. Carrots might work well since they also are sweet. Pureed into
soup???

Maybe, but in that case, what would be the point? A tin of tomato soup
is....oh I can't remember but it's quite a few points. Wouldn't I be
eating
the veggies just for the sake of eating them rather than to help with my
points?

People keep mentioning carrots and I do intend to try them sometime. I am
scared to but there do seem to be a lot of things I could do with them.

It seems you want to lose so that's a good part of the battle. Good
luck

Thanks Fred,
Geoff.

remember take what you like leave the rest, Lee
Geoff wrote in message
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"Anny Middon" wrote in message
y.com...
I've given some thought to this, Geoff, and I now believe that perhaps
Weight Watchers isn't the right diet for you. It's the right plan for
those
of us here, but I firmly beleive there is no plan that's right for
everyone.
And there are three strikes against it for you:

1. You don't want to go to meetings.

What have meetings got to do with the points method though? I'm not with
WW,
I'm using their points method because having a target to work towards is a
good idea.

2. You're not satisfied with the amount of food you can eat for your
point
target.

Of course I'm not satisfied-Who is? If I was satisfied with the amount of
food, I wouldn't be fat in the first place.

3. You're unwilling or unable to eat nearly all vegetables and fruits.

I can and do eat some fruits but I do not like vegetables and I can't help
that.

Anny, I'm doing the best I can and this is the only way I've found that
gives me any hope at all. Then I read someone tell me that it isn't the
right diet for me and it makes me feel like crying, it really does. I've
just come back from my daily walk which leaves me in one hell of a state
that most people here will never comprehend, and I read a post telling me
that I'm not doing the right thing. I am in a real state with my weight
and
finally had the guts to try something that's really hard for me, and I AM
managing, so why are people trying to put me off? You'll probably say that
you aren't trying to put me off, but it really does come across that way.

This one is a double-whammy since it means that you can't make your food
intake more satisfying by eating zero-point veggies, and you can't
regularly
meet the goal of 5 servings of fruit and vegetables per day.

I didn't know there was such a goal to be honest. I can't do anything
about
that anyway.

As an aside I'll ask: Have you considered doing Atkins or another
low-carb
approach?

I've heard too many bad things about that. It's also too restrictive.

My main advice to you though is this: You've said that you're willing
to
spend some money if necessary. In that case, I think you should consult
with a professional dietician to get a diet plan that's right for you.

What would a dietition tell me to do? He/she would list a load of things
to
eat, which would include 90% of things that I do not like. I don't want or
need to be patronised by a dietition telling me I need to lose weight, to
eat vegetables, to get exercise. I am very well aware of all that and I'm
just doing my best with these points.

Periodic revisits with the dietician will help you keep on track and
allow
for adjustment to your diet as needed.

You make it sound so simple.

Geoff.

"Laura" wrote in message
...
Corn, peas and potatoes are veggies in my book. They might not be 0 point
veggies but I still count them as veggies. And if I have the points
available I will eat them.

The only thing I eat "sparingly" these days are chocolate, cheese and
pizza
(foods that I have little or no willpower when they are around). But WW
does
not prevent you from eating them nor do they dictate that they be eaten
sparingly. That's not the nature of the program.


I agree Laura. The whole point of the points system is that you can eat
WHATEVER you like, as long as you don't go over your points.

Geoff.