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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:09:25 GMT, CarbAddict wrote:
How does one have a personal relationship with God if He is not personal to you? What a deep question. I finally get it. Thanks. Welcome |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:09:25 GMT, CarbAddict wrote:
How does one have a personal relationship with God if He is not personal to you? What a deep question. I finally get it. Thanks. Welcome |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:05:13 GMT, Luna wrote:
You did your own thorough and exhausted homework on dieting. Right? Not so much. I've never bought a diet book or anything, I just started experimenting with how my body reacted to different foods. When I changed my diet I could actually observe changes in my body. Evidence. I have yet to observe any evidence of the existence of any gods. You look in all the wrong places; again, your rules not His, Luna. Here's how to make your analogy work: a person tells me about someone thousands of years ago who lost weight on a low-carb diet. This person is also following this low-carb diet, but after months of observing this person, I don't see that any weight has been lost. They tell me they are losing weight, but it's not the kind of weight you can see or measure, I should just take their word for it and follow a low-carb diet. You continue to attempt to equate God with humanistic features. It doesn't fly. Yet you take such an important life and death issue like God and tell me "you've only heard about Him from other people"? Right. I have read about people who believe in God, I have talked to people who believe in God, I have gone to different churches and temples where God is worshipped and discussed, but it is all second hand information. The information that makes spiritual decisions comes from within. If the source of that data is not from God, then it is nothing more than data. There are so many different religions out there all claiming to be true, and each has just as much evidence and makes just as much sense and has followers who are just as passionate and devout as any of the others. From the point of view of someone who was not raised with any religion, there is absolutely nothing to distinguish them, nothing that makes any of them look any more true than the others. You keep pulling God down to Earth, God is not religion. Religion is a tool that assists us in developing our personal relationships with Him. You claim yours is the truth and the others are made up. I claim nothing about the others and have expressed only that I am a Christian not a Baptist or Catholic or fill in. They claim theirs is the truth and yours is made up. I think all of them are made up. Supernatural beings were early man's way of interpreting how the world worked. What's the excuse now? People used to think there were spirits in everything, that storms were personal, that there were only four elements, that the world was flat, etc. Now we know better. We don't need gods and spirits to explain how the world works any more, but people hang on to religion because it makes them feel good. Eating chocolate pie can make one feel good. People hang on to their religions for many reasons but Christians hang on to Christ because they recognize Him as the Truth in their lives. |
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MU wrote: Eating chocolate pie can make one feel good. People hang on to their religions for many reasons but Christians hang on to Christ because they recognize Him as the Truth in their lives. What does that mean? The truth in life is that you are born, you live a life with some pain in it and some joy in it, and then you die. This is true for everyone, whether they believe in Christ or not. This was true before the idea of Christ existed, before the idea of any god at all existed, and it will be true until the end of humanity. Maybe you ask "why" and you think Christ is the answer to that question, but I don't see the need for the question. There is no reason, there is no "why," things just are. -- Michelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:34:35 GMT, CarbAddict
wrote: From: Luna (Fri, 01 Oct 2004 00:01:43 GMT) MsgId: I've only ever heard about God from other people. CarbAddict wrote: There are pills for people who talk to Him directly. From: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Fri, 01 Oct 2004 06:20:15 -0400) MsgId: Writing as a physician, there are no pills prescribed for folks who pray to God. Apparently there are no pills for a sense of humor, either. why do you bother with the chung troll? he feeds on this attention and desires conflict between newsgroups, between christians and non christians and even between christians. The attention he gets feeds his sick and desperate ego. http://makeashorterlink.com/?I17F31257 |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:12:51 -0400, Mack©® wrote:
why do you bother with the chung troll? he feeds on this attention and desires conflict between newsgroups, between christians and non christians and even between christians. The attention he gets feeds his sick and desperate ego. Mack, how's the boozing these days? Did you ever find sobriety? |
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In article , MU wrote: Eating chocolate pie can make one feel good. People hang on to their religions for many reasons but Christians hang on to Christ because they recognize Him as the Truth in their lives. On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:53:04 GMT, Luna wrote: What does that mean? You wrote : We don't need gods and spirits to explain how the world works any more, but people hang on to religion because it makes them feel good. The truth in life is that you are born, you live a life with some pain in it and some joy in it, and then you die. This is true for everyone, whether they believe in Christ or not. This was true before the idea of Christ existed, before the idea of any god at all existed, and it will be true until the end of humanity. Christians would add "service to Christ during our lives" as an important addition to the born/live/die equation. Maybe you ask "why" and you think Christ is the answer to that question, but I don't see the need for the question. There is no reason, there is no "why," things just are. I ask why but don't much care what the answers are. Answers will be abundant after this life is over. Why is a fun question but has no bearing on my beliefs whatsoever. Why is in God's domain; I ask what as in "what do you want me to do, God?" |
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In article , MU wrote: Eating chocolate pie can make one feel good. People hang on to their religions for many reasons but Christians hang on to Christ because they recognize Him as the Truth in their lives. On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:53:04 GMT, Luna wrote: What does that mean? You wrote : We don't need gods and spirits to explain how the world works any more, but people hang on to religion because it makes them feel good. The truth in life is that you are born, you live a life with some pain in it and some joy in it, and then you die. This is true for everyone, whether they believe in Christ or not. This was true before the idea of Christ existed, before the idea of any god at all existed, and it will be true until the end of humanity. Christians would add "service to Christ during our lives" as an important addition to the born/live/die equation. Maybe you ask "why" and you think Christ is the answer to that question, but I don't see the need for the question. There is no reason, there is no "why," things just are. I ask why but don't much care what the answers are. Answers will be abundant after this life is over. Why is a fun question but has no bearing on my beliefs whatsoever. Why is in God's domain; I ask what as in "what do you want me to do, God?" |
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MU wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:12:51 -0400, Mack©® wrote: why do you bother with the chung troll? he feeds on this attention and desires conflict between newsgroups, between christians and non christians and even between christians. The attention he gets feeds his sick and desperate ego. Mack, how's the boozing these days? Did you ever find sobriety? We should continue to pray for Mack, in Christ's holy name. May the Holy Spirit heal him as only He can. Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867 |
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Luna wrote: ....Here's how to make your analogy work: a person tells me about someone thousands of years ago who lost weight on a low-carb diet. This person is also following this low-carb diet, but after months of observing this person, I don't see that any weight has been lost. They tell me they are losing weight, but it's not the kind of weight you can see or measure, I should just take their word for it and follow a low-carb diet... Ah, an independent thinker. IMO, this is *exactly* how all the major religions began - with one person having a personal experience. Then each started trying to convince others that his/her experience was the One True Way. There are even thinkers (probably a lot of alter boys in this number) who believe formal religions are the root of a lot of evil. I've usually found talking about God to be not particularly productive or interesting. Talking *to* God, on the other hand, has worked out remarkably well. Then it makes no matter what one believes. It's sort of pure research. Like, "I request some support in not eating crap tonight; in which case you'd better come up with something better than I've got at the moment." If you'd like to read something good, that's not trying to convert you to anything, you might enjoy A Return to Love, by Marrianne Williamson, one of the best interpretations of "A Course in Miracles," in my opinion. Conversations With God is quite good, too (with a *fascinating* interpretation of the "10 suggestions," I think s/he calls them - that were never meant to be commandments. They ask the good questions like what kind of God would give us free choice and then smack us when we use it? Or, do we actually believe a supreme loving being would catapult cockroaches, nevermind people, into an eternal ****ing fire? Now that's real loving, lol. In AA they suggest one might want to begin any such a journey by firing the God of one's childhood. Worked for me. That long-haired blond blue-eyed guy sure didn't do it for me. My experience. Barb |
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