clinton surgery question

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:58:58 -0400, Bob (this one) wrote:

God is outside of time. God is in all time. God created time. Your
continued anthropomorphizing of God makes no sense at all.

God is pure vastness and pure infinity.

Bob, put Christ into this equation and you have done it!

But I don't think you will.

MU wrote:

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:58:58 -0400, Bob (this one) wrote:

God is outside of time. God is in all time. God created time. Your
continued anthropomorphizing of God makes no sense at all.

God is pure vastness and pure infinity.

Bob, put Christ into this equation and you have done it!

But I don't think you will.

LOL So Jesus is now separate from God? Have you heard of
Christianity and the basic element of the trinity? It's you mystical
"I don't belong to any church but I understand everything about Jesus"
wackos who try to fit God to your stunted egos, and make all of
Christianity look silly. You go on and on about what the bible says
and doesn't say and you ignore and downplay all those parts that say
you're not doing it right or you don't understand the real issues.

And, in the real world, who cares what you think I'll do? You're a
cowardly, anonymous fraud who claims a lot of perfectly unbelievable
accomplishments with not a scintilla of proof and not a whisper of
supporting data or testimony except from the fraud Chung. Have you
seen one of his latest howlers? Somebody asked him how many people
have been on the air-brain 2PD for more than 5 years and he said words
to the effect, "More than this busy cardiologist can keep track of."
The poster noted that he said on his website that he saw the IMAX
movie that ostensibly triggered it in 1998. 1999 must have been a
bitch of a year for dieters... Oh, wait. That would only be 5 years,
not *more than* 5 years... Bwah... Chung tells us again and again how
he only writes the truth. LOL Sure.

As for your opinions about anything, there's no "you" with you. Only
shadowy spots on my monitor.

Why are you so afraid of identifying yourself? Could it be that same
kind of overwrought paranoia that makes Chung say his hospital
admitting privileges exist but the hospitals are lying about it to
prevent stalkers from finding him even though he has freely posted his
address and his office address? That kind of fear...? That kind of
fakery...? Or could it be that you've told so many lies that you
*can't* identify yourself or that house of unreal cards would
instantly tumble?

Hey, lovely to see you. Your stupid questions and pokes at your
betters provide a wonderful stage to offer intelligent comment. By
rather stark contrast with yours...

Bob

MU wrote:

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:58:58 -0400, Bob (this one) wrote:

God is outside of time. God is in all time. God created time. Your
continued anthropomorphizing of God makes no sense at all.

God is pure vastness and pure infinity.

Bob, put Christ into this equation and you have done it!

But I don't think you will.

LOL So Jesus is now separate from God? Have you heard of
Christianity and the basic element of the trinity? It's you mystical
"I don't belong to any church but I understand everything about Jesus"
wackos who try to fit God to your stunted egos, and make all of
Christianity look silly. You go on and on about what the bible says
and doesn't say and you ignore and downplay all those parts that say
you're not doing it right or you don't understand the real issues.

And, in the real world, who cares what you think I'll do? You're a
cowardly, anonymous fraud who claims a lot of perfectly unbelievable
accomplishments with not a scintilla of proof and not a whisper of
supporting data or testimony except from the fraud Chung. Have you
seen one of his latest howlers? Somebody asked him how many people
have been on the air-brain 2PD for more than 5 years and he said words
to the effect, "More than this busy cardiologist can keep track of."
The poster noted that he said on his website that he saw the IMAX
movie that ostensibly triggered it in 1998. 1999 must have been a
bitch of a year for dieters... Oh, wait. That would only be 5 years,
not *more than* 5 years... Bwah... Chung tells us again and again how
he only writes the truth. LOL Sure.

As for your opinions about anything, there's no "you" with you. Only
shadowy spots on my monitor.

Why are you so afraid of identifying yourself? Could it be that same
kind of overwrought paranoia that makes Chung say his hospital
admitting privileges exist but the hospitals are lying about it to
prevent stalkers from finding him even though he has freely posted his
address and his office address? That kind of fear...? That kind of
fakery...? Or could it be that you've told so many lies that you
*can't* identify yourself or that house of unreal cards would
instantly tumble?

Hey, lovely to see you. Your stupid questions and pokes at your
betters provide a wonderful stage to offer intelligent comment. By
rather stark contrast with yours...

Bob

MU wrote:

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:58:58 -0400, Bob (this one) wrote:

God is outside of time. God is in all time. God created time. Your
continued anthropomorphizing of God makes no sense at all.

God is pure vastness and pure infinity.

Bob, put Christ into this equation and you have done it!

But I don't think you will.

LOL So Jesus is now separate from God? Have you heard of
Christianity and the basic element of the trinity? It's you mystical
"I don't belong to any church but I understand everything about Jesus"
wackos who try to fit God to your stunted egos, and make all of
Christianity look silly. You go on and on about what the bible says
and doesn't say and you ignore and downplay all those parts that say
you're not doing it right or you don't understand the real issues.

And, in the real world, who cares what you think I'll do? You're a
cowardly, anonymous fraud who claims a lot of perfectly unbelievable
accomplishments with not a scintilla of proof and not a whisper of
supporting data or testimony except from the fraud Chung. Have you
seen one of his latest howlers? Somebody asked him how many people
have been on the air-brain 2PD for more than 5 years and he said words
to the effect, "More than this busy cardiologist can keep track of."
The poster noted that he said on his website that he saw the IMAX
movie that ostensibly triggered it in 1998. 1999 must have been a
bitch of a year for dieters... Oh, wait. That would only be 5 years,
not *more than* 5 years... Bwah... Chung tells us again and again how
he only writes the truth. LOL Sure.

As for your opinions about anything, there's no "you" with you. Only
shadowy spots on my monitor.

Why are you so afraid of identifying yourself? Could it be that same
kind of overwrought paranoia that makes Chung say his hospital
admitting privileges exist but the hospitals are lying about it to
prevent stalkers from finding him even though he has freely posted his
address and his office address? That kind of fear...? That kind of
fakery...? Or could it be that you've told so many lies that you
*can't* identify yourself or that house of unreal cards would
instantly tumble?

Hey, lovely to see you. Your stupid questions and pokes at your
betters provide a wonderful stage to offer intelligent comment. By
rather stark contrast with yours...

Bob

MU wrote:

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:24:47 -0400, Bob (this one) wrote:

Could your limited grasp of the all-mighty be more evident?

Limited? My grasp of God is past limitations; grasp an Ultimate And Unknown
Being who created all we know and see and all don't know and don't see? An
infinite amount of knowledge?

Grasp?

I'd better call it hanging on for dear Life, Bob.

Here's a beginning point for you to actually consider a more scholarly
and orderly approach to all this; a more mature way. At this point,
you're a kid staring into the night sky thinking that it's random
except for something planned. Or something.

Different approaches to the knowledge of God:

Apophatic = God is unknowable, so the only approach to Him is
through what we cannot know - the humbling notion that even the
smallest detail is beyond our capabilities. This is primarily the
Eastern Orthodox approach, filled with mystery and paradox, faith
always paramount even if logic dictates otherwise.

Cataphatic = God is knowable, or at least describable through
theological discourse and can be explained in terms of what His plans
and his demands of us are. This is the Western approach exemplified
by thinkers like Thomas Aquinas.

Your lightweight approach is a clumsy combination of both, resulting
in a clear expression of neither. It's a child's "gee, whiz" picture
that stops before considering that we're in his image and likeness and
what that means.

Bob

MU wrote:

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:24:47 -0400, Bob (this one) wrote:

Could your limited grasp of the all-mighty be more evident?

Limited? My grasp of God is past limitations; grasp an Ultimate And Unknown
Being who created all we know and see and all don't know and don't see? An
infinite amount of knowledge?

Grasp?

I'd better call it hanging on for dear Life, Bob.

Here's a beginning point for you to actually consider a more scholarly
and orderly approach to all this; a more mature way. At this point,
you're a kid staring into the night sky thinking that it's random
except for something planned. Or something.

Different approaches to the knowledge of God:

Apophatic = God is unknowable, so the only approach to Him is
through what we cannot know - the humbling notion that even the
smallest detail is beyond our capabilities. This is primarily the
Eastern Orthodox approach, filled with mystery and paradox, faith
always paramount even if logic dictates otherwise.

Cataphatic = God is knowable, or at least describable through
theological discourse and can be explained in terms of what His plans
and his demands of us are. This is the Western approach exemplified
by thinkers like Thomas Aquinas.

Your lightweight approach is a clumsy combination of both, resulting
in a clear expression of neither. It's a child's "gee, whiz" picture
that stops before considering that we're in his image and likeness and
what that means.

Bob

MU wrote:

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:24:47 -0400, Bob (this one) wrote:

Could your limited grasp of the all-mighty be more evident?

Limited? My grasp of God is past limitations; grasp an Ultimate And Unknown
Being who created all we know and see and all don't know and don't see? An
infinite amount of knowledge?

Grasp?

I'd better call it hanging on for dear Life, Bob.

Here's a beginning point for you to actually consider a more scholarly
and orderly approach to all this; a more mature way. At this point,
you're a kid staring into the night sky thinking that it's random
except for something planned. Or something.

Different approaches to the knowledge of God:

Apophatic = God is unknowable, so the only approach to Him is
through what we cannot know - the humbling notion that even the
smallest detail is beyond our capabilities. This is primarily the
Eastern Orthodox approach, filled with mystery and paradox, faith
always paramount even if logic dictates otherwise.

Cataphatic = God is knowable, or at least describable through
theological discourse and can be explained in terms of what His plans
and his demands of us are. This is the Western approach exemplified
by thinkers like Thomas Aquinas.

Your lightweight approach is a clumsy combination of both, resulting
in a clear expression of neither. It's a child's "gee, whiz" picture
that stops before considering that we're in his image and likeness and
what that means.

Bob

"MU"
.. On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 20:05:31 -0600, John wrote:

The answer is yes - God does do things for those who believe in Him
who ask Him, in faith, for help. These would be things that He does
not do for nonbelievers. For example, if a believer asks God to send
His Holy Spirit, the Comforter, to help him through a time of trial or
trouble, I believe the God will do this.

I believe that God will do this as well however I am certain that we may
not recognize "help" in the terms we desire. Help will be in His terms and
is what is best for us whether we recognize it or not.

And you just said you're a skeptic. This silly rhetoric presumes that all
rewards and punishments are meted out in the afterlife. And that makes your
position worthless to anyone with a skeptical bone. You might as well claim
that you're god.

moo

"MU"
.. On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 20:05:31 -0600, John wrote:

The answer is yes - God does do things for those who believe in Him
who ask Him, in faith, for help. These would be things that He does
not do for nonbelievers. For example, if a believer asks God to send
His Holy Spirit, the Comforter, to help him through a time of trial or
trouble, I believe the God will do this.

I believe that God will do this as well however I am certain that we may
not recognize "help" in the terms we desire. Help will be in His terms and
is what is best for us whether we recognize it or not.

And you just said you're a skeptic. This silly rhetoric presumes that all
rewards and punishments are meted out in the afterlife. And that makes your
position worthless to anyone with a skeptical bone. You might as well claim
that you're god.

moo

I believe that God will do this as well however I am certain that we may
not recognize "help" in the terms we desire. Help will be in His terms and
is what is best for us whether we recognize it or not.

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:54:55 -0400, Happy Dog wrote:

And you just said you're a skeptic. This silly rhetoric presumes that all
rewards and punishments are meted out in the afterlife.

No, you made that incorrect assumption. As to being a skeptic, sure am.
You're not? You're sure about true knowledge and what it is?

And that makes your
position worthless to anyone with a skeptical bone.

You might as well claim
that you're god.

You might put down that pipe and learn to read and put together coherent
thought patterns. How you get from a misinterpretation of skepticism to an
inaccurate presumption/statement regarding the afterlife is a brain maze I
cannot even begin to follow.