NYNY update - Joyce

I had never thought about that Lee, I have a Brita filter & I will start using
it again. I know allergies can play havoc with the whole body. Thanks for
telling me.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Miss Violette wrote:

Elaine you have me really wondering about genetics. DH is Canadian. is
allergic to chlorine and has trouble with his feet. Lee, who has been
reading about genetics lately
Elaine Kirkham wrote in message
...
Yup, exercise is a main key to fighting depression but my feet have been
so sore
that I can't do too much. At least I'm back OP & will get if off again,
albeit
much slower this time.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I forgot about DH illnesses can also bring on depression. My DH had an
angina attack last month putting him in the hospital for 2 days. SInce I
can't cook very well plus I hate hospitals my DD and I would eat out for
dinner and then go see him at the hospital. I was sick with worry plus
my
schedule was turned upside down. I worked from home those days which is
something I had not done for about a year. Was not used it at all. I
don't
know if it impacted my depression level but I certainly was all out of
whack
because of it. Maybe if I had taken time to take care of my self during
those bad times the depression would not have hit me so badly. I'll
remember
that the next time I get out of sorts. Run to Curves.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Although I love to swim, I hate chlorine as it causes a rash on my
skin. I
am
definitely leaning toward Curves and thanks for the advice. As to the
depression
- dates do not bother me at all - even anniversaries of deaths. My
hubby
had a
small stoke about 2 months ago & about a month after, he had another
one
during
the night while he was sleeping. I know that there is nothing that can
be
done
about preventing his stokes as they are caused by blood vessels
breaking.
They
can't give him blood thinners as long as he has high blood pressure.
He is
on
low dose asparin, has quit smoking & is trying to lose weight - thise
are
the
things that the doc said could help. I have been so worried about him
and
depressed that I couldn't do anything to help, that I started to eat -
as
if
that would help!! Well, as time goes on, the chance of another stroke
is
lessening and so are my worries. Since I do know what has caused at
least
a
portion of my depression, I won't go the pill route unless he has
another
stoke
and then I will go immediately to the doc for help. His family has a
history of
stokes, his dad had a major one & his grandad died of one. Because his
blood
pressure was under control, I had thought that we didn't have to worry
about
that, but that has proved wrong. Thanks for your suggestions - I do
love
the
curves one.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week to
see
if
your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise
program
so
you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you? Maybe
swimming
would be another option.

As for your depression are there certain times of the year or
anniversaries
that set you off? I can predict when mine is going to come on. For
me it
is
certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's
deaths
that
set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my weight
loss.
If
you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able to
control
your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed pills
but
I
am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I
think
self-awareness helps control depression to keep it at a mininum.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them
and
this
depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can
pull
myself out
of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk
these
days,
so I
must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as
an
alternative
but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3
weeks to
take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens
again.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one,
I
just
thought I
could handle it on my own like I did with the other smaller
ones.
I
now
realize
that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do now I
will
binge
again
from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind
of
depression
eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks
for
listening,
Lesanne.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Lesanne wrote:

This has happened to me so many times! Just write down
somewhere
how
accepted you were when you went back. And I highly
recommend
getting
medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used it
several
times
in
the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just
Going
to
get
it
lifts my spirits.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my
weigh
in
on
Fri
for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the
first
time
in
my
life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of
going
to
the
doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was
that
I
got a
lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that
they
looked
forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going
back
but
that
one
note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my
gain ---
but I
am
now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the
worst
cases
of
depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that
little
note
to
pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the
meeting -
they
didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me
back
&
made
me
feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby
&
the
worry
there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to
walk
much.
I
have
had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad
knees. I
was
just
feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This
has
happened
before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let
go
(and
I
know
it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get
pill
for
the
depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of
sweets.
Thanks
for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly
motivated.
Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry
because
of
your
past
health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland
a
few
weeks
ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham

wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY
maintenance
group
...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin
Friday
morning
was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120
decade
...
I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more*
is
within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to
nothing,
watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap
of
not
drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water
retention?
This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own
fault,
no
excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some
sort of
a
funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine
about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of
just
sitting
here,
I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes -
right
back
into
the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood
lifter
the
exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

what wonderful sister you are, Lee
Elaine Kirkham wrote in message
...
I know what you mean about the adoption part. My eldest brother is only my
1/2
brother & I worried about that also. I finally traced his family tree &
found
that there were very serious heart problems with that whole side of his
family.
He now has the same problem, but having been forewarned, he was able to
get help
when the first signs started & with todays technology, he's living a good
life -
he's 74 now and still going stong.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Miss Violette wrote:

I am sorry about your DH, One of my biggest worries in life is that mine
is
adopted so we know nothing of his medical history so I am always
freaking at
the slightest hint of a health issue, Lee
Elaine Kirkham wrote in message
...
Although I love to swim, I hate chlorine as it causes a rash on my
skin. I
am
definitely leaning toward Curves and thanks for the advice. As to the
depression
- dates do not bother me at all - even anniversaries of deaths. My
hubby
had a
small stoke about 2 months ago & about a month after, he had another
one
during
the night while he was sleeping. I know that there is nothing that can
be
done
about preventing his stokes as they are caused by blood vessels
breaking.
They
can't give him blood thinners as long as he has high blood pressure.
He is
on
low dose asparin, has quit smoking & is trying to lose weight - thise
are
the
things that the doc said could help. I have been so worried about him
and
depressed that I couldn't do anything to help, that I started to eat -
as
if
that would help!! Well, as time goes on, the chance of another stroke
is
lessening and so are my worries. Since I do know what has caused at
least
a
portion of my depression, I won't go the pill route unless he has
another
stoke
and then I will go immediately to the doc for help. His family has a
history of
stokes, his dad had a major one & his grandad died of one. Because his
blood
pressure was under control, I had thought that we didn't have to worry
about
that, but that has proved wrong. Thanks for your suggestions - I do
love
the
curves one.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week to
see
if
your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise
program
so
you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you? Maybe
swimming
would be another option.

As for your depression are there certain times of the year or
anniversaries
that set you off? I can predict when mine is going to come on. For
me it
is
certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's
deaths
that
set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my weight
loss.
If
you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able to
control
your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed pills
but
I
am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I
think
self-awareness helps control depression to keep it at a mininum.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them
and
this
depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can
pull
myself out
of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk
these
days,
so I
must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as
an
alternative
but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3
weeks to
take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens
again.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one,
I
just
thought I
could handle it on my own like I did with the other smaller
ones.
I
now
realize
that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do now I
will
binge
again
from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind
of
depression
eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks
for
listening,
Lesanne.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Lesanne wrote:

This has happened to me so many times! Just write down
somewhere
how
accepted you were when you went back. And I highly
recommend
getting
medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used it
several
times
in
the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just
Going
to
get
it
lifts my spirits.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my
weigh
in
on
Fri
for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the
first
time
in
my
life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of
going
to
the
doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was
that
I
got a
lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that
they
looked
forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going
back
but
that
one
note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my
gain ---
but I
am
now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the
worst
cases
of
depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that
little
note
to
pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the
meeting -
they
didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me
back
&
made
me
feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby
&
the
worry
there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to
walk
much.
I
have
had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad
knees. I
was
just
feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This
has
happened
before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let
go
(and
I
know
it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get
pill
for
the
depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of
sweets.
Thanks
for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly
motivated.
Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry
because
of
your
past
health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland
a
few
weeks
ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham

wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY
maintenance
group
...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin
Friday
morning
was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120
decade
...
I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more*
is
within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to
nothing,
watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap
of
not
drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water
retention?
This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own
fault,
no
excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some
sort of
a
funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine
about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of
just
sitting
here,
I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes -
right
back
into
the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood
lifter
the
exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

I have tried to learn a bunch about allergies without becoming neurotic or
paranoid. I am allergic to the weirdest stuff. It just kills me when I
figure out a new one. Lee
Elaine Kirkham wrote in message
...
I had never thought about that Lee, I have a Brita filter & I will start
using
it again. I know allergies can play havoc with the whole body. Thanks for
telling me.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Miss Violette wrote:

Elaine you have me really wondering about genetics. DH is Canadian. is
allergic to chlorine and has trouble with his feet. Lee, who has been
reading about genetics lately
Elaine Kirkham wrote in message
...
Yup, exercise is a main key to fighting depression but my feet have
been
so sore
that I can't do too much. At least I'm back OP & will get if off
again,
albeit
much slower this time.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I forgot about DH illnesses can also bring on depression. My DH had
an
angina attack last month putting him in the hospital for 2 days.
SInce I
can't cook very well plus I hate hospitals my DD and I would eat out
for
dinner and then go see him at the hospital. I was sick with worry
plus
my
schedule was turned upside down. I worked from home those days which
is
something I had not done for about a year. Was not used it at all. I
don't
know if it impacted my depression level but I certainly was all out
of
whack
because of it. Maybe if I had taken time to take care of my self
during
those bad times the depression would not have hit me so badly. I'll
remember
that the next time I get out of sorts. Run to Curves.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Although I love to swim, I hate chlorine as it causes a rash on my
skin. I
am
definitely leaning toward Curves and thanks for the advice. As to
the
depression
- dates do not bother me at all - even anniversaries of deaths. My
hubby
had a
small stoke about 2 months ago & about a month after, he had
another
one
during
the night while he was sleeping. I know that there is nothing that
can
be
done
about preventing his stokes as they are caused by blood vessels
breaking.
They
can't give him blood thinners as long as he has high blood
pressure.
He is
on
low dose asparin, has quit smoking & is trying to lose weight -
thise
are
the
things that the doc said could help. I have been so worried about
him
and
depressed that I couldn't do anything to help, that I started to
eat -
as
if
that would help!! Well, as time goes on, the chance of another
stroke
is
lessening and so are my worries. Since I do know what has caused
at
least
a
portion of my depression, I won't go the pill route unless he has
another
stoke
and then I will go immediately to the doc for help. His family has
a
history of
stokes, his dad had a major one & his grandad died of one. Because
his
blood
pressure was under control, I had thought that we didn't have to
worry
about
that, but that has proved wrong. Thanks for your suggestions - I
do
love
the
curves one.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week
to
see
if
your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise
program
so
you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you?
Maybe
swimming
would be another option.

As for your depression are there certain times of the year or
anniversaries
that set you off? I can predict when mine is going to come on.
For
me it
is
certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's
deaths
that
set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my
weight
loss.
If
you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able
to
control
your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed
pills
but
I
am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I
think
self-awareness helps control depression to keep it at a mininum.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need
them
and
this
depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I
can
pull
myself out
of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk
these
days,
so I
must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves
as
an
alternative
but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it
;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

Just remember that most medications for depression take
about 3
weeks to
take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens
again.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this
one,
I
just
thought I
could handle it on my own like I did with the other
smaller
ones.
I
now
realize
that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do
now I
will
binge
again
from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this
kind
of
depression
eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help.
Thanks
for
listening,
Lesanne.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Lesanne wrote:

This has happened to me so many times! Just write down
somewhere
how
accepted you were when you went back. And I highly
recommend
getting
medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used
it
several
times
in
the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow
just
Going
to
get
it
lifts my spirits.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for
my
weigh
in
on
Fri
for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the
first
time
in
my
life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point
of
going
to
the
doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me
was
that
I
got a
lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and
that
they
looked
forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of
going
back
but
that
one
note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about
my
gain ---
but I
am
now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the
worst
cases
of
depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was
that
little
note
to
pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the
meeting -
they
didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed
me
back
&
made
me
feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my
hubby
&
the
worry
there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to
walk
much.
I
have
had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad
knees. I
was
just
feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death
( This
has
happened
before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to
let
go
(and
I
know
it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc &
get
pill
for
the
depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating
of
sweets.
Thanks
for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly
motivated.
Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the
holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry
because
of
your
past
health
problems and recall you being barely out of
Onederland
a
few
weeks
ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham

wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY
maintenance
group
...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin
Friday
morning
was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120
decade
...
I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as
*more*
is
within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to
nothing,
watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the
trap
of
not
drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water
retention?
This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own
fault,
no
excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some
sort of
a
funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than
whine
about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of
just
sitting
here,
I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes -
right
back
into
the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood
lifter
the
exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I haven't had
many skinny cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my local store
had *cool peppermint* flavor last week. I haven't seen that before so had to pick
a package up. BIG mistake ... they now keep calling my name. g

Joyce


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred wrote:

You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. g

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred wrote:

Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance losing
group!

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ... down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning was lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not drinking enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention? This week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no excuses. I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a funk - just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about everything. Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting here, I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into the old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the exercise is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Oh Elaine, I'm sorry you have been going through all these tough times. I'm so
glad you have a wonderful ww center and caring leader, and that this simple
gesture was able to get your head back into your original game plan. Glad to hear
you are back into the swing of things these days! On the bright side, even though
you say your eating was out of control - I'm sure you know that much of the gain
is more than likely water. It's pretty darn hard to put on 20 pounds of fat in a
few weeks. G

Don't let the depression go too long, nothing at all wrong with seeking medication
to help ease you over a hump. I was on meds for 18 months, and they did help
tremendously. I felt I was ready to come off earlier, but my doctor didn't want
me to ... had a rather valid point too. It was during winter, and he said he
wasn't willing to take a chance of my rebounding with SAD, son had me continue on
until spring hit. I do wonder if there is a possibility of the changing weather,
shorter gray days, that could be adding to the problem with all the stress you
have been under.

Also remember that most meds take a few weeks to reach optimal performance in your
system - if you continually fight this, get started now! My mom played the on and
off game with meds, only resulted in really messing her up. A lot of the
medications have worse side effects when stopping them abrubtly - than what you
had before you began them. It's really interesting to read up on some of them.

Keep your chin up hon, and I sure do hope the worst has passed for you. Vent away
here if you want, it sure helps me sometimes. At least it ties my fingers up for
awhile. g

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:09:36 GMT, Elaine Kirkham wrote:

No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my weigh in on Fri for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the first time in my life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of going to the doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was that I got a lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that they looked forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going back but that one note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my gain --- but I am now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the worst cases of depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that little note to pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the meeting - they didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me back & made me feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby & the worry there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to walk much. I have had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad knees. I was just feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This has happened before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let go (and I know it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get pill for the depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of sweets. Thanks for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly motivated. Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry because of your past health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland a few weeks ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ... down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning was lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not drinking enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention? This week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no excuses. I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a funk - just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about everything. Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting here, I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into the old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the exercise is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

I haven't done any weightlifting and have a feeling I really shouldn't start (past
drs. orders, have a disk resting on a nerve that gives me continuous problems).
BUT ... I am thinking in that direction anyway. LOL I'm a thickheaded, stubborn
woman - gonna do what I want to until I can't - even if I know what the end result
is going to be. I'm holding out for Christmas, have put a new treadmill and
weights on my list ..will see if they come or not. g For now I am enjoying my
old treadmill immensely. I don't know if I *miss* it on the days I don't get down
there, but I do usually feel guilty (maybe the same thing?). I've been averaging
5 days a week, which is a far cry from a few months ago .. which was nothing.

I've noticed it doesn't seem to be aiding in the scale number dropping, but my
measurements have decreased quite a bit in the last 5 weeks. And my mood has been
much better, even with all the stress that's currently been going on. So many
benefits, makes me wonder why I'd been avoiding it.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:52:38 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

NO!! SO NO!!.. Back in 1981 when I did that weigh in where they guessed me
at 365 because I topped out their scale, I could hardly walk. But after I
lost the first 15 pounds or so, I joined the prevention mag walking club. I
started out walking a half a block. Worked my way up over the next couple
of years to 3 mile walks, and aerobic tapes. They did a story on me in Jan
of 92 or so, after I had lost over 100 pounds. They got so much of it wrong
after they edited it that it is most of the reason why I don't want to do
the WW mag now. But that was what got the exercise bug started. And I
began lifting weights in the mid '90's sometime. It has been *"bliss"* for
about the past 4 or 5 years, as in I miss it mightily when I don't work out.
Even when I was yo yoing around in the 200's weight wise I never quit
working out. End result, I am fairly muscular, my skin is loose but tries
valiantly to hang onto the muscle so it doesn't look ANYTHING like what I
see online in those before and after plastic surgery photo's of people who
have lost what I have. I credit the exercise and the water for that.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news
Was that line of exercise thinking with you when you first started ww? I
made it
through almost to the end before I finally got myself going on a routine -
just
couldn't get myself going. I still lost the weight, might have been
slower but it
still came off. Thinking is a bit different now. Many days I don't feel
like
getting going, but I somehow find a way to talk myself into it (today was
one of
those days). I always feel good after the fact. I need to get my head
turned
around... have those good feelings working for me first thing in the
morning. g

Joyce


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:23:09 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

Great weight . Oh and the exercise mood? Someone on the WW site was
asking if you "had" to exercise to lose? I am like, WHY would anyone
not
WANT to exercise? I totally love the feeling after...

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ... down
1
pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within reason.
A
few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching things
just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not drinking
enough
water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention? This week
I
only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no excuses. I
had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a funk - just
couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting here, I
hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into the
old
routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the exercise
is!
I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

That's what I've done this week, and it's worked out much better. I find if I get
started, I just keep on going. What's 5 more minutes, then 5 more ... doesn't
take many of those and it's over. I've stopped getting off to answer the phone,
told hubby if it's really important to call right back - that will be my clue that
I am desperately needed. I also told him he better be dying to make that second
call. g One day this week was a shortened workout, only made 30 minutes - too
much on my mind that I thought needed to be done, so called it quits and went on
my way. Two days of the week I didn't have time in the morning, but did work my
way to the basement early in the afternoon. THAT was a first for me! I prefer
first thing in the morning, but what the heck .. afternoon worked out just fine
too. g

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:56:28 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

Make a deal with yourself to just start, and if you feel like quitting after
5 minutes, you can. That is what I have going. I love it, but I hardly
EVER love to Start, unless I have missed a day for some reason.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Thanks PR!. I just wish I could have those good feelings working for me
first
thing in the morning, BEFORE I hit the treadmill. It would make things so
much
easier.

Joyce


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:12:15 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

Very good on the loss. And I know what you mean about the exercise. I
feel so much better when that's part of my routine.

Prairie Roots

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ... down 1
pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within reason.
A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching things
just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention? This week
I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no excuses. I
had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a funk - just
couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting here, I
hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into the old
routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the exercise is!
I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Thanks Joyce. I now know that all but 7 of those pounds was fat - ugh!! Oh well, I'm back on
track & going strong and hopefully will keep that way. Thanks again for your help & great
support - I really appreciate it very much.
Elaine K
331.4/215.6/179

Joyce wrote:

Oh Elaine, I'm sorry you have been going through all these tough times. I'm so
glad you have a wonderful ww center and caring leader, and that this simple
gesture was able to get your head back into your original game plan. Glad to hear
you are back into the swing of things these days! On the bright side, even though
you say your eating was out of control - I'm sure you know that much of the gain
is more than likely water. It's pretty darn hard to put on 20 pounds of fat in a
few weeks. G

Don't let the depression go too long, nothing at all wrong with seeking medication
to help ease you over a hump. I was on meds for 18 months, and they did help
tremendously. I felt I was ready to come off earlier, but my doctor didn't want
me to ... had a rather valid point too. It was during winter, and he said he
wasn't willing to take a chance of my rebounding with SAD, son had me continue on
until spring hit. I do wonder if there is a possibility of the changing weather,
shorter gray days, that could be adding to the problem with all the stress you
have been under.

Also remember that most meds take a few weeks to reach optimal performance in your
system - if you continually fight this, get started now! My mom played the on and
off game with meds, only resulted in really messing her up. A lot of the
medications have worse side effects when stopping them abrubtly - than what you
had before you began them. It's really interesting to read up on some of them.

Keep your chin up hon, and I sure do hope the worst has passed for you. Vent away
here if you want, it sure helps me sometimes. At least it ties my fingers up for
awhile. g

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:09:36 GMT, Elaine Kirkham wrote:

No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my weigh in on Fri for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the first time in my life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of going to the doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was that I got a lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that they looked forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going back but that one note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my gain --- but I am now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the worst cases of depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that little note to pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the meeting - they didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me back & made me feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby & the worry there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to walk much. I have had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad knees. I was just feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This has happened before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let go (and I know it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get pill for the depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of sweets. Thanks for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly motivated. Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry because of your past health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland a few weeks ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ... down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning was lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not drinking enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention? This week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no excuses. I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a funk - just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about everything. Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting here, I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into the old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the exercise is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Peppermint as opposed to the green mint variety? I have to find those
(G)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce wrote:

LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I haven't had
many skinny cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my local store
had *cool peppermint* flavor last week. I haven't seen that before so had to pick
a package up. BIG mistake ... they now keep calling my name. g

Joyce


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred wrote:

You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. g

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred wrote:

Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance losing
group!

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ... down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning was lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not drinking enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention? This week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no excuses. I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a funk - just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about everything. Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting here, I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into the old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the exercise is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Might not be the balance of that weight ... water can take a few weeks to come off
.... so be patient. Regardless, you did a fantastic job getting back on program
this week - MORE than fantastic! 7 pounds off in one week is great, certainly
shows your diligence and desire to not give up. That is something to be very
proud of! Keep going Elaine, I'm rootin' for you.

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:39:04 GMT, Elaine Kirkham wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I now know that all but 7 of those pounds was fat - ugh!! Oh well, I'm back on
track & going strong and hopefully will keep that way. Thanks again for your help & great
support - I really appreciate it very much.
Elaine K
331.4/215.6/179

Joyce wrote:

Oh Elaine, I'm sorry you have been going through all these tough times. I'm so
glad you have a wonderful ww center and caring leader, and that this simple
gesture was able to get your head back into your original game plan. Glad to hear
you are back into the swing of things these days! On the bright side, even though
you say your eating was out of control - I'm sure you know that much of the gain
is more than likely water. It's pretty darn hard to put on 20 pounds of fat in a
few weeks. G

Don't let the depression go too long, nothing at all wrong with seeking medication
to help ease you over a hump. I was on meds for 18 months, and they did help
tremendously. I felt I was ready to come off earlier, but my doctor didn't want
me to ... had a rather valid point too. It was during winter, and he said he
wasn't willing to take a chance of my rebounding with SAD, son had me continue on
until spring hit. I do wonder if there is a possibility of the changing weather,
shorter gray days, that could be adding to the problem with all the stress you
have been under.

Also remember that most meds take a few weeks to reach optimal performance in your
system - if you continually fight this, get started now! My mom played the on and
off game with meds, only resulted in really messing her up. A lot of the
medications have worse side effects when stopping them abrubtly - than what you
had before you began them. It's really interesting to read up on some of them.

Keep your chin up hon, and I sure do hope the worst has passed for you. Vent away
here if you want, it sure helps me sometimes. At least it ties my fingers up for
awhile. g

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:09:36 GMT, Elaine Kirkham wrote:

No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my weigh in on Fri for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the first time in my life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of going to the doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was that I got a lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that they looked forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going back but that one note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my gain --- but I am now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the worst cases of depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that little note to pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the meeting - they didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me back & made me feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby & the worry there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to walk much. I have had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad knees. I was just feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This has happened before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let go (and I know it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get pill for the depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of sweets. Thanks for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly motivated. Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry because of your past health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland a few weeks ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ... down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning was lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not drinking enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention? This week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no excuses. I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a funk - just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about everything. Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting here, I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into the old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the exercise is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03