OT - More on Wal*Mart

"Cheri" wrote in message
...
Every newspaper in California on any given day. One of the most liberal,
ridiculous cities in the US. Santa Cruz and San Francisco run close
seconds though. LOL

--
Cheri

So, what I get out of your post is that, no, you don't have any proof; we're
all just to believe what you say because you say it.
GIGO

Pat in TX

"Cheri" wrote in message
...
Every newspaper in California on any given day. One of the most liberal,
ridiculous cities in the US. Santa Cruz and San Francisco run close
seconds though. LOL

--
Cheri

So, what I get out of your post is that, no, you don't have any proof; we're
all just to believe what you say because you say it.
GIGO

Pat in TX

I think you're missing one of the points. The company makes profits, doesn't
pay it's employees enough money to survive, top company execs. make millions
of dollars and you and I pay to supplement the employee. 97% of the wealth
in the US is controlled by 1% of the population.

I remember a few years ago 60 minutes did a story about a walmart in Georgia
(I think). From what I can remember (I seem to only retain water these days)
they wanted to open a mega store, the town fought and lost claiming it would
put the small to mid size business to close down. The town lost and most
businesses closed, then the locals didn't have money to shop, so they
walmarts sales at that store went down and they closed the store, laying off
what few people were still working in the town.

We should always remember that Liberals gave us Medicare and social
security.

"Cheri" wrote in message
...
People in CA pay a Hell of a lot more than that for the non-working
citizens, so I don't mind paying for people that are working. BTW
University of California, Berkeley, now there's a non biased study on
corportations. LOL

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

FOB wrote in message ...
ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying
a
stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to
a
recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually
takes a
lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because
of the
low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated
$82-million a
year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social
services for
Wal-Mart employees.

I think you're missing one of the points. The company makes profits, doesn't
pay it's employees enough money to survive, top company execs. make millions
of dollars and you and I pay to supplement the employee. 97% of the wealth
in the US is controlled by 1% of the population.

I remember a few years ago 60 minutes did a story about a walmart in Georgia
(I think). From what I can remember (I seem to only retain water these days)
they wanted to open a mega store, the town fought and lost claiming it would
put the small to mid size business to close down. The town lost and most
businesses closed, then the locals didn't have money to shop, so they
walmarts sales at that store went down and they closed the store, laying off
what few people were still working in the town.

We should always remember that Liberals gave us Medicare and social
security.

"Cheri" wrote in message
...
People in CA pay a Hell of a lot more than that for the non-working
citizens, so I don't mind paying for people that are working. BTW
University of California, Berkeley, now there's a non biased study on
corportations. LOL

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

FOB wrote in message ...
ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying
a
stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to
a
recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually
takes a
lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because
of the
low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated
$82-million a
year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social
services for
Wal-Mart employees.

I think you're missing one of the points. The company makes profits, doesn't
pay it's employees enough money to survive, top company execs. make millions
of dollars and you and I pay to supplement the employee. 97% of the wealth
in the US is controlled by 1% of the population.

I remember a few years ago 60 minutes did a story about a walmart in Georgia
(I think). From what I can remember (I seem to only retain water these days)
they wanted to open a mega store, the town fought and lost claiming it would
put the small to mid size business to close down. The town lost and most
businesses closed, then the locals didn't have money to shop, so they
walmarts sales at that store went down and they closed the store, laying off
what few people were still working in the town.

We should always remember that Liberals gave us Medicare and social
security.

"Cheri" wrote in message
...
People in CA pay a Hell of a lot more than that for the non-working
citizens, so I don't mind paying for people that are working. BTW
University of California, Berkeley, now there's a non biased study on
corportations. LOL

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

FOB wrote in message ...
ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying
a
stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to
a
recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually
takes a
lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because
of the
low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated
$82-million a
year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social
services for
Wal-Mart employees.

Concordia wrote:

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:23:53 GMT, "FOB" wrote:


ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying a
stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to a
recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually takes a
lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because of the
low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated $82-million a
year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social services for
Wal-Mart employees.


This is not unique by any means to the large companies -- it just gets
the majority of the media attention and public scrutiny. Most mid
sized corporations and small businesses aren't exactly known either
for their top notch benefits and wages when it comes to jobs that can
be easily filled by unskilled/low skill workers.


Excellent points.

Startup companies also have first a struggle to survive and then the
struggle to provide fringe benifits has to be faced.

It often seems to work out that the small company can't afford to pay
much in employee health benefits.... they are so darned expensive.

It isn[t unusual for the health care plans to cost companies as much as
$10,000 per employee today.


Fifteen years ago, a health care plan cost only about $3,500 per year
per employee.

Jim

Concordia wrote:

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:23:53 GMT, "FOB" wrote:


ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying a
stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to a
recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually takes a
lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because of the
low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated $82-million a
year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social services for
Wal-Mart employees.


This is not unique by any means to the large companies -- it just gets
the majority of the media attention and public scrutiny. Most mid
sized corporations and small businesses aren't exactly known either
for their top notch benefits and wages when it comes to jobs that can
be easily filled by unskilled/low skill workers.


Excellent points.

Startup companies also have first a struggle to survive and then the
struggle to provide fringe benifits has to be faced.

It often seems to work out that the small company can't afford to pay
much in employee health benefits.... they are so darned expensive.

It isn[t unusual for the health care plans to cost companies as much as
$10,000 per employee today.


Fifteen years ago, a health care plan cost only about $3,500 per year
per employee.

Jim

Cheri wrote:

LOL, you would be the expert on that, so I'll take your word on it. :-)

You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows.

Pastorio

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

Bob (this one) wrote in message ...

Cheri wrote:

Every newspaper in California on any given day. One of the most
liberal, ridiculous cities in the US. Santa Cruz and San Francisco
run close seconds though. LOL

Knee-jerk, content-free reply. LOL

Pastorio

-- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now.

Pat wrote in message ...

Do you have any facts to prove that the University of California
at Berkeley is biased? Please cite them.

Pat in TX

Eva wrote:

I think you're missing one of the points. The company makes profits, doesn't
pay it's employees enough money to survive, top company execs. make millions
of dollars and you and I pay to supplement the employee. 97% of the wealth
in the US is controlled by 1% of the population.

Where's the conservative congress and president during all this? What
are they doing to prevent or ameliorate these shameful conditions? How
are they protecting the taxpayers from this sort of exploitation? How
many of that 1% have connections to the White House?

I remember a few years ago 60 minutes did a story about a walmart in Georgia
(I think). From what I can remember (I seem to only retain water these days)
they wanted to open a mega store, the town fought and lost claiming it would
put the small to mid size business to close down. The town lost and most
businesses closed, then the locals didn't have money to shop, so they
walmarts sales at that store went down and they closed the store, laying off
what few people were still working in the town.

We should always remember that Liberals gave us Medicare and social
security.

Another thing we should remember is to try to make sentences that have
*something* to do with what came before them. And that not everything
is about the pejoratively intended labels that seem to fly so freely
nowadays.

We should always remember that conservatives deregulated the Savings
and loans, phone companies and airlines to the detriment of the
taxpayers and users of those services. The S&L fiasco cost more than
$200 billion. The airlines have been holding on by their fingernails
for more than a decade and the biggest went under. They also created
the biggest deficits in history including the present one that was a
surplus three years ago.

See how stupid it *all* sounds even though it has a nucleus of truth?
The real fact is that congress did all that stuff and we all sent our
elected officials to work for us. Don't like what they did? Elect
people who will change it.

But more important is to quit demonizing anyone who doesn't agree with
you. So Medicare and Social Security are bad things? I bet the people
in that town above think they're pretty good things. And unemployment
insurance, too. Compassionate conservatism. Right. Compassionate.

It's all smoke and mirrors. All of it.

Pastorio

"Cheri" wrote in message
...

People in CA pay a Hell of a lot more than that for the non-working
citizens, so I don't mind paying for people that are working. BTW
University of California, Berkeley, now there's a non biased study on
corportations. LOL

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

FOB wrote in message ...

ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying

a

stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to

a

recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually

takes a

lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because

of the

low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated

$82-million a

year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social

services for

Wal-Mart employees.

Eva wrote:

I think you're missing one of the points. The company makes profits, doesn't
pay it's employees enough money to survive, top company execs. make millions
of dollars and you and I pay to supplement the employee. 97% of the wealth
in the US is controlled by 1% of the population.

Where's the conservative congress and president during all this? What
are they doing to prevent or ameliorate these shameful conditions? How
are they protecting the taxpayers from this sort of exploitation? How
many of that 1% have connections to the White House?

I remember a few years ago 60 minutes did a story about a walmart in Georgia
(I think). From what I can remember (I seem to only retain water these days)
they wanted to open a mega store, the town fought and lost claiming it would
put the small to mid size business to close down. The town lost and most
businesses closed, then the locals didn't have money to shop, so they
walmarts sales at that store went down and they closed the store, laying off
what few people were still working in the town.

We should always remember that Liberals gave us Medicare and social
security.

Another thing we should remember is to try to make sentences that have
*something* to do with what came before them. And that not everything
is about the pejoratively intended labels that seem to fly so freely
nowadays.

We should always remember that conservatives deregulated the Savings
and loans, phone companies and airlines to the detriment of the
taxpayers and users of those services. The S&L fiasco cost more than
$200 billion. The airlines have been holding on by their fingernails
for more than a decade and the biggest went under. They also created
the biggest deficits in history including the present one that was a
surplus three years ago.

See how stupid it *all* sounds even though it has a nucleus of truth?
The real fact is that congress did all that stuff and we all sent our
elected officials to work for us. Don't like what they did? Elect
people who will change it.

But more important is to quit demonizing anyone who doesn't agree with
you. So Medicare and Social Security are bad things? I bet the people
in that town above think they're pretty good things. And unemployment
insurance, too. Compassionate conservatism. Right. Compassionate.

It's all smoke and mirrors. All of it.

Pastorio

"Cheri" wrote in message
...

People in CA pay a Hell of a lot more than that for the non-working
citizens, so I don't mind paying for people that are working. BTW
University of California, Berkeley, now there's a non biased study on
corportations. LOL

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

FOB wrote in message ...

ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying

a

stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to

a

recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually

takes a

lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because

of the

low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated

$82-million a

year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social

services for

Wal-Mart employees.