Daily Weighing and Quick Action Keeps Pounds Off

GysdeJongh wrote:
Seen this ?

http://www.brown.edu/Administration/...07/06-035.html
Most successful dieters regain the weight they lost. But new research shows
that a daily weigh-in - and quick adjustments to diet and exercise - can
significantly help dieters maintain weight loss. The clinical trial,
conducted by researchers at The Miriam Hospital and Brown Medical School,
reports results of the first program designed specifically for weight loss
maintenance. The study appears in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Unlike other obesity studies, which focus on how to lose weight, the "STOP
Regain" trial tested a method that taught participants how to keep those
pounds from coming back - regardless of the method they used to lose the
weight in the first place.

Self-regulation is the core of STOP Regain
Rena Wing, professor of psychiatry and human behavior at Brown Medical
School, directs the Weight Control and Diabetes Research Center at The
Miriam Hospital. Weight reduction is only part of the battle. Knowing how to
keep pounds off is key.

It seems they would advocate the tail wagging the dog.

The tail is the weigh-in and daily weigh-ins would be a lot of
tail-wagging.

Much wiser is addressing the dog, which is overeating.

Knowing how to eat less down to the right amount and staying at this
right amount by befriending the hunger that arises with better
leaner&trimmer health (overcoming type-2 diabetes) is the true key to
losing weight permanently.

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor GysdeJongh whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...ad7fe68478acf?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
GysdeJongh wrote:
Seen this ?

http://www.brown.edu/Administration/...07/06-035.html
Most successful dieters regain the weight they lost. But new research shows
that a daily weigh-in - and quick adjustments to diet and exercise - can
significantly help dieters maintain weight loss. The clinical trial,
conducted by researchers at The Miriam Hospital and Brown Medical School,
reports results of the first program designed specifically for weight loss
maintenance. The study appears in the New England Journal of Medicine.

snip

It seems they would advocate the tail wagging the dog.

No, I think a better analogy would be that they advocate putting a
calorometer on the dog's tail to measure the effect of whatever they
are doing to the dog.

The tail is the weigh-in and daily weigh-ins would be a lot of
tail-wagging.

To borrow shamelessly from MasterCard:
Scale: $24.95
One minute to Weigh in every morning: $0.42 (Average American makes
~$50K/year incl fringe)
The Measurement to assist in maintaining your new form: PRICELESS

Much wiser is addressing the dog, which is overeating.

I suspect that you could incorporate measurement into a plan to
eliminate overeating. In fact, I would say suspect is putting it very
very cautiously without necessity.

Chung Speak Snipped... We've all bee there before.

-Hollywood, who always says, you will have a tough time managing what
you are not measuring (others will take this further).

Hollywood wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
GysdeJongh wrote:
Seen this ?

http://www.brown.edu/Administration/...07/06-035.html
Most successful dieters regain the weight they lost. But new research shows
that a daily weigh-in - and quick adjustments to diet and exercise - can
significantly help dieters maintain weight loss. The clinical trial,
conducted by researchers at The Miriam Hospital and Brown Medical School,
reports results of the first program designed specifically for weight loss
maintenance. The study appears in the New England Journal of Medicine.

snip

It seems they would advocate the tail wagging the dog.

No, I think a better analogy would be that they advocate putting a
calorometer on the dog's tail to measure the effect of whatever they
are doing to the dog.

Just as meaningless.

The tail is the weigh-in and daily weigh-ins would be a lot of
tail-wagging.

To borrow shamelessly from MasterCard:
Scale: $24.95
One minute to Weigh in every morning: $0.42 (Average American makes
~$50K/year incl fringe)
The Measurement to assist in maintaining your new form: PRICELESS

Watching one's weight fluctuate from day to day while still overeating
without a clue about how much one is eating: WORTHLESS.

Life without faith in LORD Jesus Christ: MEANINGLESS.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2672896d36d4b?

May GOD continue to mercifully keep your heart beating to give you time
to understand this, dear neighbor Hollywood whom I love
unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...ad7fe68478acf?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Hollywood wrote:

To borrow shamelessly from MasterCard:
Scale: $24.95
One minute to Weigh in every morning: $0.42 (Average American makes
~$50K/year incl fringe)
The Measurement to assist in maintaining your new form: PRICELESS

Watching one's weight fluctuate from day to day while still overeating
without a clue about how much one is eating: WORTHLESS.

Hrm. Would you say that monitoring once a week is worthwhile? How about
once a month? Annually? Or should we just toss the scale and any other
way of measuring progress? I would say that's dopey.

I weigh daily. Do I get wigged by a one or two day fluctuation? No.
Should anyone else, no. But, what if it stays on for two weeks? Then, I
would like to know when it first showed up so I can figure what caused
it. If you weigh scientifically (I weigh at the same time of day, on
the same scale, in the same clothes {none}, after the shower, and after
evacuation), I think you can have some real data of value towards
what's going on with you.

Do I think the scale is the only metric? No. Do I think it's the best?
No again. Do I think it's the easiest way to get regular data that is
somewhat relevant to what I'm up to? You betcha.

Again, if you are not measuring in some way, you are going to have a
difficult time reaching goals and managing the process. If your goals
aren't something you can measure against, you are going to have a hard
time knowing that you have gotten to them or where you are relative to
them.

I know we should take it on faith that it's working, but:
1- I wouldn't run my business like that
2- I wouldn't ask my supervisors to run me like that
3- I wouldn't run my projects like that
4- I wouldn't manage my investments like that

So why would I manage myself like that? I am sure that you are
different. I am sure that your way works for you. But I am sure that
your way is not the One True Way for measurement just as the 2PD-OMER
Diet is not the One True Way for weight loss and health management.

-Hollywood, who wants to share his spreadsheet with you.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
GysdeJongh wrote:
Seen this ?

http://www.brown.edu/Administration/...07/06-035.html
Most successful dieters regain the weight they lost. But new research shows
that a daily weigh-in - and quick adjustments to diet and exercise - can
significantly help dieters maintain weight loss. The clinical trial,
conducted by researchers at The Miriam Hospital and Brown Medical School,
reports results of the first program designed specifically for weight loss
maintenance. The study appears in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Unlike other obesity studies, which focus on how to lose weight, the "STOP
Regain" trial tested a method that taught participants how to keep those
pounds from coming back - regardless of the method they used to lose the
weight in the first place.

Self-regulation is the core of STOP Regain
Rena Wing, professor of psychiatry and human behavior at Brown Medical
School, directs the Weight Control and Diabetes Research Center at The
Miriam Hospital. Weight reduction is only part of the battle. Knowing how to
keep pounds off is key.

It seems they would advocate the tail wagging the dog.

The tail is the weigh-in and daily weigh-ins would be a lot of
tail-wagging.

Much wiser is addressing the dog, which is overeating.

By the way, I forgot. Where is your peer reviewed study? They actually
created a study with a control group and two different versions of
intervention. Then they followed them for 18 months. They logged all
this in such a way that it passed the peer review at the New England
Journal of Medicine, one of the premier journals catering to medical
research.

I missed your paper on the 2PD-OMER Diet's efficacy when compared to
other diets, with proper controls and measurements. Maybe it wasn't in
NEJM but in Lancet or some other prestigious peer reviewed journal of
medical research. Like I said, I must have missed it.

-Hollywood, who thinks weighing properly can have an important role to
play in loss and maintenance.

Hollywood wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Hollywood wrote:

To borrow shamelessly from MasterCard:
Scale: $24.95
One minute to Weigh in every morning: $0.42 (Average American makes
~$50K/year incl fringe)
The Measurement to assist in maintaining your new form: PRICELESS

Watching one's weight fluctuate from day to day while still overeating
without a clue about how much one is eating: WORTHLESS.

Hrm. Would you say that monitoring once a week is worthwhile?

No.

How about once a month?

Ok.

Annually?

Ok.

Or should we just toss the scale and any other way of measuring progress?

No.

I would say that's dopey.

You may say anything you choose. You have the free will that GOD has
generously given all souls including those belonging to fig trees (Mark
11:12-14, 20).

I weigh daily.

Your choice.

Do I get wigged by a one or two day fluctuation? No.
Should anyone else, no. But, what if it stays on for two weeks? Then, I
would like to know when it first showed up so I can figure what caused
it.

Either with or without the daily weighing, a tighter fit around the
waistline would indicate the cause has been from overeating.

If you weigh scientifically (I weigh at the same time of day, on
the same scale, in the same clothes {none}, after the shower, and after
evacuation), I think you can have some real data of value towards
what's going on with you.

See above.

Do I think the scale is the only metric? No. Do I think it's the best?
No again. Do I think it's the easiest way to get regular data that is
somewhat relevant to what I'm up to? You betcha.

Tail wagging.

Again, if you are not measuring in some way, you are going to have a
difficult time reaching goals and managing the process. If your goals
aren't something you can measure against, you are going to have a hard
time knowing that you have gotten to them or where you are relative to
them.

The dog is the quantity of food being eaten.

I know we should take it on faith that it's working, but:
1- I wouldn't run my business like that
2- I wouldn't ask my supervisors to run me like that
3- I wouldn't run my projects like that
4- I wouldn't manage my investments like that

Folks automatically know it is working by the increasing looseness of
their clothes around the waistline.

So why would I manage myself like that? I am sure that you are
different. I am sure that your way works for you. But I am sure that
your way is not the One True Way for measurement just as the 2PD-OMER
Diet is not the One True Way for weight loss and health management.

The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.

The heart of the Approach, which is "eat less," is true while "eat
right and exercise" is false when addressing the cause of folks
becoming more overweight.

May GOD mercifully continue to keep your heart beating to give you time
to understand this, dear neighbor Hollywood whom I love
unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...ad7fe68478acf?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Hollywood wrote:

Or should we just toss the scale and any other way of measuring progress?

No.

Thank you.

I would say that's dopey.

You may say anything you choose. You have the free will that GOD has
generously given all souls including those belonging to fig trees (Mark
11:12-14, 20).

Even you like the scale once a month. So you might agree (if your GOD
allows you to) that tossing the scale and all other forms of
measurement would be dopey. Amazing. We can agree on something.

I weigh daily.

Your choice.

Do I get wigged by a one or two day fluctuation? No.
Should anyone else, no. But, what if it stays on for two weeks? Then, I
would like to know when it first showed up so I can figure what caused
it.

Either with or without the daily weighing, a tighter fit around the
waistline would indicate the cause has been from overeating.

Maybe for a short guy like you. I am 6'2" tall. Five lbs on me is not
much at all. When I get to my goal, that's going to be less than 2% of
total weight. I suppose that with the proper religious instruction my
senses will get better and I will be able to notice even a 1%
fluctuation just by the amount of stretch in the waistband of my suit
pants. I'm not there yet.

Isn't this "waistband" approach just another way of measuring
progress/maintenance? In the 20+ that I have lost to date, it is one of
the markers I look at. It's not the only one, because it relies on too
many bad rulers (memory is bad... read "Stumbling on Happiness" for a
thorough evisceration of memory... also my pants are bad. Wife/I
might've shrunk them in the wash. Lastly, the time gap is bad. I rotate
through 4 suits, a pair of suit pants, two pairs of khakis and three
pairs of jeans. My suits were fitted at different times in my life.
Recalling how this pair fits versus last time is very sloppy). I will
grant you that the scale has slop in it too (I'm talking about the
daily fluctuations that people have). But that slop is the same slop
that's in the "waistband approach" you advocate. With the scale, I can
fix the memory problem (excel does nicely... if you were to perform a
study, you might get familiar with it). I can fix the changing
ruler/shrunk pants problem (my scale retares everytime I turn it on).
And I can fix the many ruler/many pants problem (I have but one scale
and it is the only scale I weigh with).

If you read a fuller write up of the study, you will find that they are
not just weighing everyday. They are getting incentives to keep it in
the green zone (less than 3lbs gained) and are given help when they get
over 3lbs. They worked with three groups: 1)a monthly newsletter,
non-incentive, non-intervention group, 2)an email based intervention
group and 3) a one-on-one intervention group. They could have done one
group that was left to their own devices, but that would raise ethical
questions given the general 95% recidivism rate for dieters. And,
amazingly enough, they found that the more you bug people, and the more
on top of it your people are, the less recidivism you see. By a lot.
That they conducted this study with a control group (the newsletter
group), got it peer reviewed and published in one of the most
prestigious journals of medicine there is (NEJM), suggests to me a few
hints towards making it work. When your "waistband" approach is tested
with a control group (perhaps people who weigh daily) for over a year
(this one went 18 months... unclear if that's a funding issue or a
"that's when they're in the clear" issue or "that's when we got bored")
and published in a prestigious peer reviewed publication, I will dump
my scale and use the waistband.

Do I think the scale is the only metric? No. Do I think it's the best?
No again. Do I think it's the easiest way to get regular data that is
somewhat relevant to what I'm up to? You betcha.

Tail wagging.

Hrm. What if the dog enjoys wagging the tail? What is there is a health
benefit to tail wagging? This metaphor is getting a little extended,
but I think it's still workable. I am a wonk. Total wonk. Among my MBA
peers at my job, I am the one mos liable to build a spreadsheet. In my
blog over at SportingNews, I use the numbers to break things down at a
different level, and apply management science, as I understand it, to
the task. Naturally, I need a wonky approach to weight loss and health
management. It's about increasing my involvement and therefore my
chances of success. So, in this case, the dog enjoys wagging the tail
and the tail wagging enhances the dog's shot at success. A less
measured approach, with fuzzy data (ie the "waistband approach") simply
will not provide the same benefit for this dog.

Folks automatically know it is working by the increasing looseness of
their clothes around the waistline.

See above. Again, after you do your control group containing, peer
reviewed and published study of the 2PD-OMER Diet, you can then, among
the survivors, do a control group, peer reviewed, published study on
your "waistband approach." Till then, you are being that first one to
cast stones.

The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.

The heart of the Approach, which is "eat less," is true while "eat
right and exercise" is false when addressing the cause of folks
becoming more overweight.

Eating less is a diet. You are altering food input with the goal of
losing weight or improving health. That is a DIET! If you are not going
to use the language properly, please do not use it at all. This kind of
fuzzy communication where a diet isn't a diet is just obfuscation
designed to confuse people. The 2PD-OMER Diet may very well be an
approach, but it is an approach to dieting. I do not know why you don't
get this. Perhaps if I find the equivalent words in Mandarin, you will
get it.

-Hollywood, who has posted three links to dictionary definitions of
"Diet", apparently in vain.

Hollywood wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Hollywood wrote:
I do not know why you don't
get this. Perhaps if I find the equivalent words in Mandarin, you will
get it.

-Hollywood, who has posted three links to dictionary definitions of
"Diet", apparently in vain.

I doubt if Mandarin would work either as I don't think there are any
words that are small enough in any language for him to "get it", with
the exception of Ebonics which has half words like mother. If the
words of his own God aren't enough for him, how is anything that a mere
person comes up with going to be sufficient?

It continues to amuse me, how he goes on and on claiming to be
spreading the word of god, and to love us all, and that it is his love
of man that drives him. The part that I find so comical, though, is
that he fails to see the how he has failed to live up to his own dogma.
If Chung were really as good of a Christian as he claims, he would
demonstrating it by show ing respect for others and take his posts
elsewhere.

I am not a Christian and have spent little time studying Christianity,
but from what little I do know about its teaching it is clear to me
that Chung doesn't truely understand the meaning either.

Chung: Least you get some idea that you need to start praying for my
soul, I will tell you that I have chosen my path and I am happy with
it. What I really don't get, though, is why you doen't take it
somehwere other than an LC newsgroup?

Hollywood wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Hollywood wrote:

Or should we just toss the scale and any other way of measuring progress?

No.

Thank you.

You are welcome.

All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
soul, mind, and strength.

I would say that's dopey.

You may say anything you choose. You have the free will that GOD has
generously given all souls including those belonging to fig trees (Mark
11:12-14, 20).

Even you like the scale once a month.

Measuring bodyweight even monthly is not necessary for folks using the
2PD-OMER Approach.

So you might agree (if your GOD
allows you to) that tossing the scale and all other forms of
measurement would be dopey. Amazing. We can agree on something.

A person weighing his/her meals to keep from eating over the optimal
amount will not need to know his/her bodyweight to become and stay
lean&trim.

I weigh daily.

Your choice.

Do I get wigged by a one or two day fluctuation? No.
Should anyone else, no. But, what if it stays on for two weeks? Then, I
would like to know when it first showed up so I can figure what caused
it.

Either with or without the daily weighing, a tighter fit around the
waistline would indicate the cause has been from overeating.

Maybe for a short guy like you.

My height is average.

I am 6'2" tall.

Does not matter.

Five lbs on me is not
much at all.

It will still be about 5 inches at the waistline if the 5 lbs is
visceral adipose tissue (VAT) which is pathological.

When I get to my goal, that's going to be less than 2% of
total weight. I suppose that with the proper religious instruction my
senses will get better and I will be able to notice even a 1%
fluctuation just by the amount of stretch in the waistband of my suit
pants. I'm not there yet.

Isn't this "waistband" approach just another way of measuring
progress/maintenance?

No. It is simply an awareness.

In the 20+ that I have lost to date, it is one of
the markers I look at. It's not the only one, because it relies on too
many bad rulers (memory is bad... read "Stumbling on Happiness" for a
thorough evisceration of memory... also my pants are bad. Wife/I
might've shrunk them in the wash. Lastly, the time gap is bad. I rotate
through 4 suits, a pair of suit pants, two pairs of khakis and three
pairs of jeans. My suits were fitted at different times in my life.
Recalling how this pair fits versus last time is very sloppy). I will
grant you that the scale has slop in it too (I'm talking about the
daily fluctuations that people have). But that slop is the same slop
that's in the "waistband approach" you advocate. With the scale, I can
fix the memory problem (excel does nicely... if you were to perform a
study, you might get familiar with it). I can fix the changing
ruler/shrunk pants problem (my scale retares everytime I turn it on).
And I can fix the many ruler/many pants problem (I have but one scale
and it is the only scale I weigh with).

If you read a fuller write up of the study, you will find that they are
not just weighing everyday. They are getting incentives to keep it in
the green zone (less than 3lbs gained) and are given help when they get
over 3lbs. They worked with three groups: 1)a monthly newsletter,
non-incentive, non-intervention group, 2)an email based intervention
group and 3) a one-on-one intervention group. They could have done one
group that was left to their own devices, but that would raise ethical
questions given the general 95% recidivism rate for dieters. And,
amazingly enough, they found that the more you bug people, and the more
on top of it your people are, the less recidivism you see. By a lot.
That they conducted this study with a control group (the newsletter
group), got it peer reviewed and published in one of the most
prestigious journals of medicine there is (NEJM), suggests to me a few
hints towards making it work. When your "waistband" approach is tested
with a control group (perhaps people who weigh daily) for over a year
(this one went 18 months... unclear if that's a funding issue or a
"that's when they're in the clear" issue or "that's when we got bored")
and published in a prestigious peer reviewed publication, I will dump
my scale and use the waistband.

I suspect you believe "Stop world hunger" is the truth and not a
marketing ploy.

Do I think the scale is the only metric? No. Do I think it's the best?
No again. Do I think it's the easiest way to get regular data that is
somewhat relevant to what I'm up to? You betcha.

Tail wagging.

Hrm. What if the dog enjoys wagging the tail? What is there is a health
benefit to tail wagging? This metaphor is getting a little extended,
but I think it's still workable. I am a wonk. Total wonk. Among my MBA
peers at my job, I am the one mos liable to build a spreadsheet. In my
blog over at SportingNews, I use the numbers to break things down at a
different level, and apply management science, as I understand it, to
the task. Naturally, I need a wonky approach to weight loss and health
management. It's about increasing my involvement and therefore my
chances of success. So, in this case, the dog enjoys wagging the tail
and the tail wagging enhances the dog's shot at success. A less
measured approach, with fuzzy data (ie the "waistband approach") simply
will not provide the same benefit for this dog.

I suspect you believe a person when s/he says "I am so hungry that I am
starving."

Folks automatically know it is working by the increasing looseness of
their clothes around the waistline.

See above. Again, after you do your control group containing, peer
reviewed and published study of the 2PD-OMER Diet, you can then, among
the survivors, do a control group, peer reviewed, published study on
your "waistband approach." Till then, you are being that first one to
cast stones.

The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.

The fact that this Approach works for permanent weightloss does not
depend on the publication of our peer-review study.

The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.

The heart of the Approach, which is "eat less," is true while "eat
right and exercise" is false when addressing the cause of folks
becoming more overweight.

Eating less is a diet.

If this were true, fasting would be a diet and the 2PD-OMER Approach
would be as incompatible with true diets as true diets are incompatible
with each other.

Truth is simple.

May GOD continue to mercifully keep your heart beating to give you time
to understand this, dear neighbor Hollywood whom I love
unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...ad7fe68478acf?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Hollywood wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Hollywood wrote:

Even you like the scale once a month.

Measuring bodyweight even monthly is not necessary for folks using the
2PD-OMER Approach.

Measuring bodyweight is not NECESSARY for anyone. The question is
rather whether it helps or doesn't. This study found that it helps
people who have lost weight to maintain that loss. I think it's a
pretty credible study, given the CVs of the authors, the journal it's
been published in, and the finding. You may attempt to find the flaws
(they are there, as there is no such thing as the perfect study), but
their program showed good results. Better than good. And they like
weighing. But, there were the control group, and a full 28% of them
didn't gain back more than 5 lbs in 18 months, so it's clearly not
necessary. But if it helps, and it takes five seconds, why are you
against it?

So you might agree (if your GOD
allows you to) that tossing the scale and all other forms of
measurement would be dopey. Amazing. We can agree on something.

A person weighing his/her meals to keep from eating over the optimal
amount will not need to know his/her bodyweight to become and stay
lean&trim.

So, if I eat two pounds of potato chips (that'd be 32 servings... 480
grams of carbs (incl fiber), 314 g of fats and nearly 5000 calories...
in the configuration designed to have the WORST impact on BG and
insulin metabolism), and only that, I can pitch my scale? I thought you
were worried about LPO.

Again, you miscontrue the question. It is not a question of need. Need
is air. It is a question of positive impact on outcome. While I'm
certain that people who follow the 2PD-OMER Diet have no problem
maintaining for all time (and can probably do without air), people who
live in the real world apparently need more help than you offer with
your "waistband approach."

Either with or without the daily weighing, a tighter fit around the
waistline would indicate the cause has been from overeating.

Maybe for a short guy like you.

My height is average.

Then you are short standing next to me.

Isn't this "waistband" approach just another way of measuring
progress/maintenance?

No. It is simply an awareness.

Semantics. That's 30% of you. When you weigh on the scale, you are
aware of your weight. When you break out the tape measure, you are
aware of your measurements. When your pants don't fit right, you are
aware of your measurements (or a bad experiment with hot water, or a
faulty memory). It's a measurement, whether it is well calibrated or
not. I suspect that this is why I fail to find a clinical report on the
efficacy of the 2PD-OMER diet against other diets. It is because no one
will publish a study with the title "Food Intake Restrictions Aid Pant
Fitting by 30%"

I suspect you believe "Stop world hunger" is the truth and not a
marketing ploy.

I suspect you thought that the stick figures that were paraded in front
of us from Ethiopia in the 80's were actually fine, and just naturally
following your 2PD-OMER Diet. I suspect those skeletal jews we see film
of during the Holocaust were actually just working the 2PD-OMER diet
too.

I guess you also think you can live in the third world on less than a
dollar a day.

I suspect you believe a person when s/he says "I am so hungry that I am
starving."

That's a metaphor your moron. I believe that they are hungry. Perhaps
very much so. Probably, they are doing a low fat version of the 2PD
OMER Diet.

The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.

The fact that this Approach works for permanent weightloss does not
depend on the publication of our peer-review study.

Since it has never been studied by anyone but you, and your statistics
are of the 100% efficacy type (aka completely unbelievable until
reproduced clinically by someone who isn't blinded by faith and making
a priori assumptions to put it kindly), your claims cannot be believed.
When people go out and find something, they generally report it so that
others can evaluate it. That's the underlying assumption and big
benefit of the peer review, publication system. It filters out the
garbage by the process. Since you have not subjected your work to that
process, we can only assume it would filter out in the process if it
were subjected.

In other words, until you have someone other than you report on your
diet's efficacy at short term, long term or lifetime weight loss, with
some charts, statistics, pictures, whatever, from a soundly designed
study, no one with a brain in their head is going to believe you.You
are simply unbelievable with natural reason.

Eating less is a diet.

If this were true, fasting would be a diet and the 2PD-OMER Approach
would be as incompatible with true diets as true diets are incompatible
with each other.

Whatever. That's nonsense on it's face. Fasting is a form of diet.
Diets, as we understand the concept in the English speaking world, can
be done together. I have done, very compatibly the Warrior Diet with
the Step Diet with the Atkins Diet.

I will say it again. If you decide to eliminate certain foods, or limit
your intake of food, you are dieting, you are a dieter, and the
approach you are following is a diet. Clearly, your limit of an Omer a
day is a DIET. As restricting intake is the only discernable portion of
the 2PD-OMER diet, it is clearly a diet, the people who do it are
dieting and they are dieters.

Truth is simple.

I concur. Weighing helps people maintain loss and the 2PD-OMER Diet is
a diet.

-Hollywood, who'll take the word of an 18 month study in NEJM by
reputable authors over the word of CHUNG (or whoever speaks to/though
him) any day.