A Weightloss and diet forum. WeightLossBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » WeightLossBanter forum » alt.support.diet newsgroups » Low Fat Diets
Site Map Home Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Atkins = ? (should i start this again?)



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old November 9th, 2003, 02:59 AM
Steven C \(Doktersteve\)
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Atkins = ? (should i start this again?)

Oh man... here I am again considering trying the Atkins diet.
Lol, years ago I got the newest version of the book, and I tried to do it. I
guess I did not have the willpower to get past that first real carb craving
week that the book said I would experience, and I crashed, ended up eating
pancakes on a Sunday morning, and said "Atkins sucks".

The second time I tried the diet, I was dumb and did it with too much high
carb/sugar foods in the house.
I crashed, and blamed the Atkins diet. In retrospect, it may have been the
fact that at the time I was working a strenuous job and not getting enough
sleep, and generally not taking care of myself. It was also in the middle of
a hard time for me when I was experiencing some self loathing and depression
(more than is usual for a negative type guy like me).

So I am considering it again.
I am not fat. I have weight I don't want, but am not a "large" person. I am
five foot 6 inches and weigh about 190 lbs, however alot of that is muscle I
suspect, because my waist is 36, which isn't HUGE, but isn't skinny.
I want to loose some weight, and get alot of the refined sugars out of my
diet, as I have been a sugar junkie so long, and I don't really feel like
developing type 2 diabetes in my life...

But there seem to be roadblocks.
The Atkins diet seems to me in some ways like a clever scheme to sell
specialized foods from their website, and now through GNC stores.
You need to cut SO MANY carbs out of the diet to go into ketosis, that it
seems to me that you will end up spending lots on the high fatty foods that
are required whilst in the first few weeks (or months) of the program.
Meats, cheese, eggs, these are all things which are actually more expensive
than the highly processed foods that we are used to eating as a society. I
guess that you have to ask yourself whether you can put a pricetag on your
health though, right?

Can I drink diet soda while on Atkins? For some reason, Atkins himself seems
to act as if aspartame is the devil, and will impede your weight loss.
I question why an additive developed for diabetics and people on diet's
would deter people from loosing weight.
Of course, Atkins also conveniently sells products with the Splenda type of
sweetener in them (cant recall the non brand name atm).

How much back to "normal" (breads and other carbs) will I get back to after
I have lost my initial weight? I have a goal to have flat abs, to be honest,
as well as feel more energetic and the like.
So yeah, I have lots of questions, and I would appreciate it very much of
someone could shed some light on my queries.

I have tried low calorie/low fat/lots of exercise diets in the past with
MARGINAL success. In total I lost about 15 lbs before I found I had to
increase my cardio workout substantially. I don't drive a car, I take
transit and walk all over the place.
Its not as if I am suffering from the suburbanite syndrome of driving
everywhere and anywhere.

Thanks.


  #2  
Old November 9th, 2003, 03:01 AM
MadRedHatter
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Atkins = ? (should i start this again?)


"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in message
news:Wbhrb.6788$jy.3697@clgrps13...
Oh man... here I am again considering trying the Atkins diet.


Or hey .. how about doing this ..

Eat sensibly. Exercise regularly. Burn more calories then you take in.

Why fall for the fad diet de jour?


  #3  
Old November 9th, 2003, 03:03 AM
JC Der Koenig
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Atkins = ? (should i start this again?)


"MadRedHatter" wrote in message
news:Ydhrb.346965$6C4.158687@pd7tw1no...

"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in message
news:Wbhrb.6788$jy.3697@clgrps13...
Oh man... here I am again considering trying the Atkins diet.


Or hey .. how about doing this ..

Eat sensibly. Exercise regularly. Burn more calories then you take in.

Why fall for the fad diet de jour?



Why don't you go back to sucking your boyfriends dick and leave the diet
advice to the competent.


  #4  
Old November 9th, 2003, 03:40 AM
Steven C \(Doktersteve\)
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Atkins = ? (should i start this again?)


"MadRedHatter" wrote in message
news:Ydhrb.346965$6C4.158687@pd7tw1no...

"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in message
news:Wbhrb.6788$jy.3697@clgrps13...
Oh man... here I am again considering trying the Atkins diet.


Or hey .. how about doing this ..

Eat sensibly. Exercise regularly. Burn more calories then you take in.

Why fall for the fad diet de jour?



The thing is, the diet has been around for years (what, 30 years?), however
it is a fad lately, I will agree.
There are so many other "low carb" diets out there (Suzanne sommers has even
gotten in on it), and so many claim that it works.
Actually, I knew someone in Minnesota who managed to loose 45 lbs on it, but
he was actually considered very large (like 250 lbs).

anyhow, as I said in my post, I tried that diet, and eventually hit my wall.
I hit it pretty fast actually, after loosing only 15 lbs, I found it hard to
increase my cardio workout time to 2 hours plus just to continue to see
results.
I am not a skinny person by default, but I as I mentioned, not flabby fat.
so the best I can hope for is to shed the fat which is there and then build
muscle, lead a healthier lifestyle (exercise, eat right), and keep the
weight off. That is why I asked about how much back to "normal" a person
gets after the initial phase of Atkins.

Thanks.


  #5  
Old November 9th, 2003, 03:41 AM
HD
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Atkins = ? (should i start this again?)

MadREd had a good post and one which made lots of sense. Exercise is
probably the most important in losing and controlling weight at a certain
age. Then eating right.

People have lost weight on fad diets, or the Jenny type of weight loss
programs. Many also regain it , and more, once they stop following the
ritual or routine, call it what you want.

Spend at least an hour each night or day doing something which requires some
activity. Hell, go have sex with your partner. It's proven it burns lots
of calories. Next, eat sensibly and guess what, you'll be at a clothing
store looking for new apparel.

I lost over 85 pounds since last year. I feel good and look good. Nothing
wrong with saying that at all. It will take time.

Remember if it takes a few years to put on over 100 or more pounds, losing
it will not be an overnight process. Yup, I've heard of people losing
large amounts of weight. But like I said earlier, in most cases the
effort is short lived.


  #6  
Old November 9th, 2003, 04:59 AM
MadRedHatter
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Atkins = ? (should i start this again?)


"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
gy.com...

"MadRedHatter" wrote in message
news:Ydhrb.346965$6C4.158687@pd7tw1no...

"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in message
news:Wbhrb.6788$jy.3697@clgrps13...
Oh man... here I am again considering trying the Atkins diet.


Or hey .. how about doing this ..

Eat sensibly. Exercise regularly. Burn more calories then you take in.

Why fall for the fad diet de jour?



Why don't you go back to sucking your boyfriends dick and leave the diet
advice to the competent.

Haha .. look at the funny bigot.


  #7  
Old November 9th, 2003, 05:06 AM
Perple Gyrl
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Atkins = ? (should i start this again?)

Atkins has been around for over 20 years.... it isn't a new way of
eating....

--
Email me at:
perpleglow(AT)comcast.net


"MadRedHatter" wrote in message
news:Ydhrb.346965$6C4.158687@pd7tw1no...

"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in message
news:Wbhrb.6788$jy.3697@clgrps13...
Oh man... here I am again considering trying the Atkins diet.


Or hey .. how about doing this ..

Eat sensibly. Exercise regularly. Burn more calories then you take in.

Why fall for the fad diet de jour?




  #8  
Old November 9th, 2003, 06:07 AM
Black Jacque Shellacque
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Atkins = ? (should i start this again?)

JC Der Koenig wrote:



why don't you go back to sucking your boyfriends dick and leave the diet
advice to the competent.



.....hark....an asshole speaketh......






--
Getting married for sex is like buying a 747 for the free peanuts
--Jeff Foxworthy




  #9  
Old November 9th, 2003, 07:04 AM
JC Der Koenig
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Atkins = ? (should i start this again?)


"Black Jacque Shellacque" wrote in message
news:4Yjrb.7564$jy.6471@clgrps13...
JC Der Koenig wrote:



why don't you go back to sucking your boyfriends dick and leave the diet
advice to the competent.



....hark....an asshole speaketh......


So speak up, asshole.


  #10  
Old November 9th, 2003, 03:01 PM
Patricia Heil
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Atkins = ? (should i start this again?)


Don't go Atkins. Replace the sugar in your diet with things like
fruit, which are sweet but have complex sugars. They also
have nutrients, which refined sugar does not. They also have
fiber which will help you feel full longer. Make sure you
get plenty of veg which also have nutrients and fiber. Try
to replace some of your meat with dried beans/split peas/
lentils; it will lower the fat in your diet, increase the fiber,
provide protein, iron (although low-absorption), and help
lower your LDL. Beans are also cheaper than meat. You can
also use tofu instead of meat in stir-fries. Another trick is
to use eggplant in your ragu sauce instead of meat.

For example, if you usually use 2 pounds of meat to a bag of kidney
beans in your chili, use 1 pound of meat to a bag; also make sure the
meat is low-fat, such as extra lean ground beef, or well trimmed stew
beef. And DON'T
add cheese to your chili. DO add lots of garlic and jalapenos for
the flavor, as well as onions.

Use whole grains; brown rice instead of white
rice; whole wheat spaghetti and macaroni. When you buy
bread, avoid anything with "unbleached enriched wheat flour"
as the first ingredient, because that is nothing more than
white flour that hasn't been chlorined or whatever they do to
bleach flour.

Make an excuse to throw vegetables in your food.
-- I use leftover spaghetti to make frittata, with garlic and baby green
peas.
-- I also throw baby green peas in my macaroni and cheese.
-- Rice pilaf is a good place to add baby green peas and shredded
carrot.
-- Kasha is buckwheat. Coat it with beaten egg and heat to dry the
egg. Add onions, garlic, baby green peas, shredded carrot, or broccoli,
and a cup of chicken soup per half cup of kasha.
-- When I make tuna salad, I use real onion and celery, also shredded
carrot and red bell pepper and sometimes shredded yellow squash and
garlic.
-- I had home fries this morning with an omelette, and I stuffed the
omelette with red bell pepper (more vitamin C than tomatoes),
onion, mushrooms, and garlic, and shredded a little aged
cheddar cheese (less fat than processed cheese) on top. You
can also stuff it with broccoli, of course.
-- Eggs fu yung and fried rice can be a good way to sneak veggies in.
-- If you like India style takeaway, cook the leftovers with rice and
eggs for kedgeree.
-- Another is Korean bibam bap: use leftover beef pulgoki and brown
short grain rice, steam some bean sprouts, carrots, mushrooms, and
spinach with kimchi, and top with chili-garlic sauce and a fried egg.
(don't have leftover
beef pulgoki? Marinate sandwich beef in tabasco and soy sauce
and put under the broiler.)

I have a million recipes like this.

I recently posted here that one of my concerns with Atkins is
that 68% of those who tried it, in one clinical study, wound up
constipated. That is bad for long term health. Removing fiber
from the diet demonstrably leads to colo-rectal cancer, the
third leading cancer killer behind lung cancer and prostate cancer,
and therefore the #2 preventable killer cancer. I even have
anecdotal evidence, a friend of mine was unable to tolerate any
fiber in her diet and she died about 20 years ago from colo-rectal
cancer at the age of only about 40.

"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote:

Oh man... here I am again considering trying the Atkins diet.
Lol, years ago I got the newest version of the book, and I tried to do it. I
guess I did not have the willpower to get past that first real carb craving
week that the book said I would experience, and I crashed, ended up eating
pancakes on a Sunday morning, and said "Atkins sucks".

The second time I tried the diet, I was dumb and did it with too much high
carb/sugar foods in the house.
I crashed, and blamed the Atkins diet. In retrospect, it may have been the
fact that at the time I was working a strenuous job and not getting enough
sleep, and generally not taking care of myself. It was also in the middle of
a hard time for me when I was experiencing some self loathing and depression
(more than is usual for a negative type guy like me).

So I am considering it again.
I am not fat. I have weight I don't want, but am not a "large" person. I am
five foot 6 inches and weigh about 190 lbs, however alot of that is muscle I
suspect, because my waist is 36, which isn't HUGE, but isn't skinny.
I want to loose some weight, and get alot of the refined sugars out of my
diet, as I have been a sugar junkie so long, and I don't really feel like
developing type 2 diabetes in my life...

But there seem to be roadblocks.
The Atkins diet seems to me in some ways like a clever scheme to sell
specialized foods from their website, and now through GNC stores.
You need to cut SO MANY carbs out of the diet to go into ketosis, that it
seems to me that you will end up spending lots on the high fatty foods that
are required whilst in the first few weeks (or months) of the program.
Meats, cheese, eggs, these are all things which are actually more expensive
than the highly processed foods that we are used to eating as a society. I
guess that you have to ask yourself whether you can put a pricetag on your
health though, right?

Can I drink diet soda while on Atkins? For some reason, Atkins himself seems
to act as if aspartame is the devil, and will impede your weight loss.
I question why an additive developed for diabetics and people on diet's
would deter people from loosing weight.
Of course, Atkins also conveniently sells products with the Splenda type of
sweetener in them (cant recall the non brand name atm).

How much back to "normal" (breads and other carbs) will I get back to after
I have lost my initial weight? I have a goal to have flat abs, to be honest,
as well as feel more energetic and the like.
So yeah, I have lots of questions, and I would appreciate it very much of
someone could shed some light on my queries.

I have tried low calorie/low fat/lots of exercise diets in the past with
MARGINAL success. In total I lost about 15 lbs before I found I had to
increase my cardio workout substantially. I don't drive a car, I take
transit and walk all over the place.
Its not as if I am suffering from the suburbanite syndrome of driving
everywhere and anywhere.

Thanks.

 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
AIDS, Anthrax, Atkins: The Scarlett A's.. Eat Carbs Stay Alive. Steve Randy Shilts Bayt General Discussion 7 June 25th, 2004 09:24 PM
AIDS, Anthrax, Atkins: The Scarlett A's.. Eat Carbs Stay Alive. Steve Randy Shilts Bayt Low Carbohydrate Diets 10 June 25th, 2004 09:24 PM
You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof. marengo Low Carbohydrate Diets 173 April 17th, 2004 11:26 PM
Dr. ATKINS IS A QUACK Irv Finkleman Low Carbohydrate Diets 5 March 31st, 2004 12:37 PM
Atkins = ? (should i start this again?) Steven C \(Doktersteve\) Low Carbohydrate Diets 98 December 8th, 2003 05:27 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 WeightLossBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.