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Old May 21st, 2004, 12:43 AM
JMA
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"Leslie DiMaggio" wrote in message
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Binge-eating is seen as eating disorder
It is recognized as growing health problem in U.S.

Thursday, May 20, 2004


Helen's symptoms are typical of a newly recognized disease called
binge-eating disorder, although she calls herself a compulsive overeater.


They're a little slow on the draw. The book I have - Overcoming Binge
Eating - is copyrighted in 1995 and lists Binge Eating Disorder as an eating
disorder.

Jenn


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Old May 21st, 2004, 03:16 AM
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"Ignoramus32087" wrote in message
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In article , Leslie DiMaggio

wrote:
Binge-eating is seen as eating disorder


no kidding!


"Helen" doesn't mind that she hasn't eaten chocolate in 21 years.


I do not mind that I have not eaten any sweets in almost a year.

In fact, the longtime member of Overeaters Anonymous says she hasn't

even
missed it, which is the real miracle.


I am not missing that **** either.

Helen, 66, who asked that her real name not be used, is thin now, but

she
remembers the old days.


Looks like Helen found what works so well! Which is to not put junk
food in the mouth.

i



Your constant remedy for eating disorders has been "to just quit doing it".
If only it were that easy. Your attitude shows you know absolutely nothing
about the disorders or addictions. Many in the group have had problems with
binge eating. Fortunately for many of us we were able to overcome the
problem - for others it's a constant battle. I would hope you have the
decency to see the difference and try to show support for these people
instead of brushing it off as something that's easily overcome.

I've seen the results of addiction and know it's not always possible for
people to overcome them even when they know it's not best for them. I had a
very dear family member who was an alcoholic. He had everything in the
world to live for but he couldn't beat the addiction. He literally drank
himself to death. He quit his job, stocked his house with alcohol and went
on a drinking binge until he went into a coma and died. As hard as we tried
we just weren't able to help him overcome his addiction.

Your flippant attitude toward addictions and eating disorders is not very
supportive. My mother always said "If you don't have anything nice to say -
keep your damn mouth shut".



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Old May 21st, 2004, 04:13 AM
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"Ignoramus32087" wrote in message
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In article , Beverly wrote:

"Ignoramus32087" wrote in message
...
In article , Leslie

DiMaggio
wrote:
Binge-eating is seen as eating disorder

no kidding!


"Helen" doesn't mind that she hasn't eaten chocolate in 21 years.

I do not mind that I have not eaten any sweets in almost a year.

In fact, the longtime member of Overeaters Anonymous says she hasn't

even
missed it, which is the real miracle.

I am not missing that **** either.

Helen, 66, who asked that her real name not be used, is thin now, but

she
remembers the old days.

Looks like Helen found what works so well! Which is to not put junk
food in the mouth.

i



Your constant remedy for eating disorders has been "to just quit doing

it".
If only it were that easy. Your attitude shows you know absolutely

nothing
about the disorders or addictions. Many in the group have had problems

with
binge eating. Fortunately for many of us we were able to overcome the
problem - for others it's a constant battle. I would hope you have the
decency to see the difference and try to show support for these people
instead of brushing it off as something that's easily overcome.

I've seen the results of addiction and know it's not always possible for
people to overcome them even when they know it's not best for them. I

had a
very dear family member who was an alcoholic. He had everything in the
world to live for but he couldn't beat the addiction. He literally

drank
himself to death. He quit his job, stocked his house with alcohol and

went
on a drinking binge until he went into a coma and died. As hard as we

tried
we just weren't able to help him overcome his addiction.

Your flippant attitude toward addictions and eating disorders is not

very
supportive. My mother always said "If you don't have anything nice to

say -
keep your damn mouth shut".




Numerous people combat addictions by giving up one day.

My father in law was a heavy smoker until 20 years ago, and then he
quit (at insistence of his doctor).

Saying that it is impossible is disingenious.


I don't believe I said it was impossible. I simply said many people are
never able to overcome their addictions regardless of how much they try.
Unfortunately your simplistic 'just do it' approach doesn't work for
everyone but you seem to think it should. Hell - why don't you teach your
approach to all those poor professionals that have been struggling for years
to find the cure for addictions.



i



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Old May 21st, 2004, 04:25 AM
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"Ignoramus32087" wrote in message
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In article , Beverly wrote:
Your constant remedy for eating disorders has been "to just quit doing

it".
If only it were that easy. Your attitude shows you know absolutely

nothing
about the disorders or addictions. Many in the group have had problems

with
binge eating. Fortunately for many of us we were able to overcome the
problem - for others it's a constant battle. I would hope you have the
decency to see the difference and try to show support for these people
instead of brushing it off as something that's easily overcome.

I've seen the results of addiction and know it's not always possible for
people to overcome them even when they know it's not best for them. I

had a
very dear family member who was an alcoholic. He had everything in the
world to live for but he couldn't beat the addiction. He literally

drank
himself to death. He quit his job, stocked his house with alcohol and

went
on a drinking binge until he went into a coma and died. As hard as we

tried
we just weren't able to help him overcome his addiction.

Your flippant attitude toward addictions and eating disorders is not

very
supportive. My mother always said "If you don't have anything nice to

say -
keep your damn mouth shut".




Numerous people combat addictions by giving up one day.

My father in law was a heavy smoker until 20 years ago, and then he
quit (at insistence of his doctor).


How many cigarettes did he need daily to stay alive? People with a real
binge eating disorder still need to eat food every day.

Saying that it is impossible is disingenious.

i


"Not always possible" were the exact words Beverly used. That phrase is not
identical to impossible.

Semantics aside, there isn't a lot of clinical data to back up the notion
that food is addictive though it appears that the mechanisms that drive
binge eating (in binge eating disorder) may be similar to those driving
alcohol or drug abuse. (from the Fairburn book) This distinguishes binge
eating disorder from bulimia or anorexia, the other two eating disorders
that involve binge eating.

Not to speak for Beverly, but I believe the point she was trying to make is
that your constant "just stop doing it" approach makes you appear like a
sanctimonious and arrogant person who offers little help to people looking
for support because of the way you "brush off" and belittle the difficulties
faced by people. It's amazing the number of different people in this group
who have repeatedly told you this and yet you still don't get it.


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Old May 21st, 2004, 04:36 AM
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"JMA" wrote in message
...

"Ignoramus32087" wrote in message
...
In article , Beverly wrote:
Your constant remedy for eating disorders has been "to just quit doing

it".
If only it were that easy. Your attitude shows you know absolutely

nothing
about the disorders or addictions. Many in the group have had

problems
with
binge eating. Fortunately for many of us we were able to overcome the
problem - for others it's a constant battle. I would hope you have

the
decency to see the difference and try to show support for these people
instead of brushing it off as something that's easily overcome.

I've seen the results of addiction and know it's not always possible

for
people to overcome them even when they know it's not best for them. I

had a
very dear family member who was an alcoholic. He had everything in

the
world to live for but he couldn't beat the addiction. He literally

drank
himself to death. He quit his job, stocked his house with alcohol and

went
on a drinking binge until he went into a coma and died. As hard as we

tried
we just weren't able to help him overcome his addiction.

Your flippant attitude toward addictions and eating disorders is not

very
supportive. My mother always said "If you don't have anything nice to

say -
keep your damn mouth shut".




Numerous people combat addictions by giving up one day.

My father in law was a heavy smoker until 20 years ago, and then he
quit (at insistence of his doctor).


How many cigarettes did he need daily to stay alive? People with a real
binge eating disorder still need to eat food every day.

Saying that it is impossible is disingenious.

i


"Not always possible" were the exact words Beverly used. That phrase is

not
identical to impossible.

Semantics aside, there isn't a lot of clinical data to back up the notion
that food is addictive though it appears that the mechanisms that drive
binge eating (in binge eating disorder) may be similar to those driving
alcohol or drug abuse. (from the Fairburn book) This distinguishes binge
eating disorder from bulimia or anorexia, the other two eating disorders
that involve binge eating.

Not to speak for Beverly, but I believe the point she was trying to make

is
that your constant "just stop doing it" approach makes you appear like a
sanctimonious and arrogant person who offers little help to people looking
for support because of the way you "brush off" and belittle the

difficulties
faced by people. It's amazing the number of different people in this

group
who have repeatedly told you this and yet you still don't get it.


I couldn't have said it any better !!

I don't think he'll ever get it. In 'Ig's world' everything is possible if
you 'just do it'. We can all lose weight if we quit eating at a specific
time in the evening and pack our lunch in a specific size plastic container.

I usually ignore most of his posts but it's been a tough day for me. Time
for me to go to bed.....



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Old May 21st, 2004, 05:38 AM
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Hi Beverly... I tried to email you, but got bounced. Can you email me?
Thanks!
perpleglow(at)comcast(dot)net



"Beverly" wrote in message
...

"JMA" wrote in message
...

"Ignoramus32087" wrote in message
...
In article , Beverly wrote:
Your constant remedy for eating disorders has been "to just quit

doing
it".
If only it were that easy. Your attitude shows you know absolutely

nothing
about the disorders or addictions. Many in the group have had

problems
with
binge eating. Fortunately for many of us we were able to overcome

the
problem - for others it's a constant battle. I would hope you have

the
decency to see the difference and try to show support for these

people
instead of brushing it off as something that's easily overcome.

I've seen the results of addiction and know it's not always possible

for
people to overcome them even when they know it's not best for them.

I
had a
very dear family member who was an alcoholic. He had everything in

the
world to live for but he couldn't beat the addiction. He literally

drank
himself to death. He quit his job, stocked his house with alcohol

and
went
on a drinking binge until he went into a coma and died. As hard as

we
tried
we just weren't able to help him overcome his addiction.

Your flippant attitude toward addictions and eating disorders is not

very
supportive. My mother always said "If you don't have anything nice

to
say -
keep your damn mouth shut".




Numerous people combat addictions by giving up one day.

My father in law was a heavy smoker until 20 years ago, and then he
quit (at insistence of his doctor).


How many cigarettes did he need daily to stay alive? People with a real
binge eating disorder still need to eat food every day.

Saying that it is impossible is disingenious.

i


"Not always possible" were the exact words Beverly used. That phrase is

not
identical to impossible.

Semantics aside, there isn't a lot of clinical data to back up the

notion
that food is addictive though it appears that the mechanisms that drive
binge eating (in binge eating disorder) may be similar to those driving
alcohol or drug abuse. (from the Fairburn book) This distinguishes

binge
eating disorder from bulimia or anorexia, the other two eating disorders
that involve binge eating.

Not to speak for Beverly, but I believe the point she was trying to make

is
that your constant "just stop doing it" approach makes you appear like a
sanctimonious and arrogant person who offers little help to people

looking
for support because of the way you "brush off" and belittle the

difficulties
faced by people. It's amazing the number of different people in this

group
who have repeatedly told you this and yet you still don't get it.


I couldn't have said it any better !!

I don't think he'll ever get it. In 'Ig's world' everything is possible

if
you 'just do it'. We can all lose weight if we quit eating at a specific
time in the evening and pack our lunch in a specific size plastic

container.

I usually ignore most of his posts but it's been a tough day for me. Time
for me to go to bed.....





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Old May 21st, 2004, 12:09 PM
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Just emailed you the real one.....

Beverly


"Perple Gyrl" wrote in message
...
Hi Beverly... I tried to email you, but got bounced. Can you email me?
Thanks!
perpleglow(at)comcast(dot)net



"Beverly" wrote in message
...

"JMA" wrote in message
...

"Ignoramus32087" wrote in

message
...
In article , Beverly wrote:
Your constant remedy for eating disorders has been "to just quit

doing
it".
If only it were that easy. Your attitude shows you know

absolutely
nothing
about the disorders or addictions. Many in the group have had

problems
with
binge eating. Fortunately for many of us we were able to overcome

the
problem - for others it's a constant battle. I would hope you

have
the
decency to see the difference and try to show support for these

people
instead of brushing it off as something that's easily overcome.

I've seen the results of addiction and know it's not always

possible
for
people to overcome them even when they know it's not best for

them.
I
had a
very dear family member who was an alcoholic. He had everything

in
the
world to live for but he couldn't beat the addiction. He

literally
drank
himself to death. He quit his job, stocked his house with alcohol

and
went
on a drinking binge until he went into a coma and died. As hard

as
we
tried
we just weren't able to help him overcome his addiction.

Your flippant attitude toward addictions and eating disorders is

not
very
supportive. My mother always said "If you don't have anything

nice
to
say -
keep your damn mouth shut".




Numerous people combat addictions by giving up one day.

My father in law was a heavy smoker until 20 years ago, and then he
quit (at insistence of his doctor).

How many cigarettes did he need daily to stay alive? People with a

real
binge eating disorder still need to eat food every day.

Saying that it is impossible is disingenious.

i

"Not always possible" were the exact words Beverly used. That phrase

is
not
identical to impossible.

Semantics aside, there isn't a lot of clinical data to back up the

notion
that food is addictive though it appears that the mechanisms that

drive
binge eating (in binge eating disorder) may be similar to those

driving
alcohol or drug abuse. (from the Fairburn book) This distinguishes

binge
eating disorder from bulimia or anorexia, the other two eating

disorders
that involve binge eating.

Not to speak for Beverly, but I believe the point she was trying to

make
is
that your constant "just stop doing it" approach makes you appear like

a
sanctimonious and arrogant person who offers little help to people

looking
for support because of the way you "brush off" and belittle the

difficulties
faced by people. It's amazing the number of different people in this

group
who have repeatedly told you this and yet you still don't get it.


I couldn't have said it any better !!

I don't think he'll ever get it. In 'Ig's world' everything is possible

if
you 'just do it'. We can all lose weight if we quit eating at a

specific
time in the evening and pack our lunch in a specific size plastic

container.

I usually ignore most of his posts but it's been a tough day for me.

Time
for me to go to bed.....







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Old May 21st, 2004, 01:18 PM
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On 5/20/2004 8:50 PM, Ignoramus32087 wrote:
In article , Leslie DiMaggio wrote:

Binge-eating is seen as eating disorder



no kidding!


"Helen" doesn't mind that she hasn't eaten chocolate in 21 years.



I do not mind that I have not eaten any sweets in almost a year.


Uh, I do recall you mentioning eating chocolate though. Baker's
chocolate sounds yucky to me but "Helen" is discussing chocolate, not
sweets.
---

jmk in NC
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Old May 21st, 2004, 04:15 PM
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:..................... Hell - why don't you teach your
: approach to all those poor professionals that have been struggling
for years
: to find the cure for addictions.
:
:
believe me, many try..............................


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Old May 21st, 2004, 06:34 PM
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On 21 May 2004 11:47:25 GMT, Ignoramus32087
wrote:


I agree that some people are not able to give up their addiction. What
remains to be seen is, are such people able to quit their addiction in
some other way? Is there some solution available to them? I do not know.

But, saying that giving up an addiction entirely is not the answer,
flies in the face of people for whom it is an answer.


Food is a bit different from alcohol or cigarettes, though, because as
far as I know giving up food is not an option for most people.

janice
 




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