Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie

"Caleb" wrote in message

I guess one reason I'm cheerful is that weight loss is straightforward
-- especially if one chooses an effective approach and sticks with
it.


I think that this statement hits the nail right on the head. "especially if
one chooses an effective approach and sticks with it"

If your approach was effective, and you were sticking with it, you wouldn't
be doing this for the 8th time.

Would you care to discuss with us the fact that you have lost and regained
more weight each time you have tried this method? Because google allows us
to look back at your track record and see that in fact, when you started
this 100 day diet back in 2001, your starting weight was 241, and here it
is, 2006 and your new starting weight is over 250. So you have effectively
gained weight through all these miserable diets.

Can you cheerfully explain why you need another 100 day diet? Or will you
just ignore us and these legitimate questions, because you simply do not
have a good answer?

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Teachrmama - if you are truely interested in a dialog with this poster,
please take it to Alt.support.diet.low-calorie You will find very
little support of this poster in here

Actually, there are topics here that I do not enter opinions on because
they are of no interest to me. It is easy to just skip over them. I
understand that you feel great disdain for this poster, but you are not
required to read his posts, or any conversations that he is in. I always
respond respectfully to other posters, and do not feel that my
conversation with Caleb is violating any of this newsgroup's rules and
regulations. If you were standing behind me in the grocery store and I
were carrying on a conversation with Caleb, would you ask that we go to
McDonald's and discuss things, rather than conversing in a public place
you just happened to be in? With all due respect, that is how I feel you
are speaking to me here.

You know what? Caleb is nothing more than a troll... The fact that you
want to maintain a dialogue with a troll kind of hurts your own credibility.
It doesn't take a whole lot of knowledge of diet/health to know that his
approach is not healthy or effective at permanent weight loss. If you can't
figure that out for yourself, fine. But it leaves the rest of us here who
have seen him go through this countless times absolutely flabbergasted and
exasperated.

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Teachrmama - if you are truely interested in a dialog with this poster,
please take it to Alt.support.diet.low-calorie You will find very
little support of this poster in here

Actually, there are topics here that I do not enter opinions on because
they are of no interest to me. It is easy to just skip over them. I
understand that you feel great disdain for this poster, but you are not
required to read his posts, or any conversations that he is in. I always
respond respectfully to other posters, and do not feel that my
conversation with Caleb is violating any of this newsgroup's rules and
regulations. If you were standing behind me in the grocery store and I
were carrying on a conversation with Caleb, would you ask that we go to
McDonald's and discuss things, rather than conversing in a public place
you just happened to be in? With all due respect, that is how I feel you
are speaking to me here.

You know what? Caleb is nothing more than a troll... The fact that you
want to maintain a dialogue with a troll kind of hurts your own
credibility. It doesn't take a whole lot of knowledge of diet/health to
know that his approach is not healthy or effective at permanent weight
loss. If you can't figure that out for yourself, fine. But it leaves the
rest of us here who have seen him go through this countless times
absolutely flabbergasted and exasperated.

I agree with you that losing weight and regaining it is not a good way to
maintain a healthy weight or lifestyle. I certainly have no intentions of
following such a plan. I have come too far in my own efforts to want to try
a plan that is not a total change to a new way of eating. But I am curious
as to Caleb's reasons for the choices he is making, and how he came to make
the choices he has. Maybe he comes back here repeatedly because he is
learning new approaches each time he comes. I see him as very polite--I
haven't seen him trying to force his choices on anyone else. I do hope that
he will realize that if he continues with the healthy eating choices he
makes in the 100 days, he will be healthier than if he regains and reloses
the same weight time after time. But having polite conversations with him
does not mean that I am espousing his choices, and I am not certain why it
riles up some of the regular posters here. I find that odd.

"Caleb" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 4, 6:14 am, "Beverly" wrote:
janice wrote:
On 3 Feb 2007 14:03:54 -0800, "Caleb" wrote:

On Feb 2, 9:56 pm, "SFrunner" wrote:
On Feb 2, 9:30 pm, "

wrote:
On Feb 1, 3:37 pm, "Caleb" wrote:

This is an invitation to anyone who would like to join
alt.support.diet.low-calorie - I've started another 100 Day Diet
and
am posting on alt-support.diet.low-calorie. Seems to be going quite
well and I sure intend to keep posting through May and maybe
(hopefully) longer.

If anyone else wants to share their successes or questions about
losing weight through low-calorie methods, I'd be delighted to see
them there!

Yours,

Caleb

Day 32 - 19 pounds gone

Please tell us what has been your average daily calorie intake in
the
last week. Thanks.

Please don't. If you want to really know, Google his posts from past
years. It's always the same and some of us are sick and tired of the
BS.

SFRunner -- May I suggest you use your block sender button if you
don't like my posts?

This "some of us are sick and tired" sounds quite childish and makes
use of a logical fallacy called "the band wagon effect."

Seems to me that some people are very, very quick to criticize
others.

Caleb

Caleb - ISTR that it was you who started asd.low-calorie for the very
reason that people here were not able to relate to your approach to
dieting and weight loss.

Surely then it's not unreasonable to expect you to restrict your
postings to that group if you want to continue repeating your 100 day
regime.

janice

I agree, janice.

Caleb,
I always tried to be civil in my replies to you. But I find it very hard
to
understand why someone would want to continue on the yo-yo diet path as
long
as you have. You may contend that it's healthier than remaining
overweight
but I'll suggest that it's healthier to work to maintain that weight
loss.

Isn't your weight at the beginning of this cycle higher than it was in
previous attempts? IIRC your previous highs were in the 240 range and I
believe it's 265 this time. You indicate your goal weight is 200. If
that's correct then you're trying to lose 65 pounds in 100 days and that
isn't considered a healthy weightloss rate. Your previous choice of food
during your 100 days wasn't real healthy either. I seem to recall it
contained a lot of tuna or sardines and cabbage soup. A few of the
exercises you chose weren't considered exactly safe. I'm referring to
carrying and swinging weights while walking.

You're a well educated man but you fail to see the problems associated
with
your diet choices. As many others in the group have suggested you might
want to use the group you setup for this type of dieting as it's not well
received in this type of group. In the past you preached your diet to
many
who were just starting their weightloss journey and were eager to grab
onto
anything that would allow rapid weight loss instead of choosing a method
that would allow them to lose at a sensible rate and have a much better
chance of maintaining their weightloss. There are many health risks
associated with a rapid weightloss. You might want to consider these
risks
against your yo-yo diet plan.

Beverly
177/142/~140 SINCE 1996

I guess one reason I'm cheerful is that weight loss is straightforward
-- especially if one chooses an effective approach and sticks with
it.

There are a variety of reasons not to stick to an effective approach,
and these reasons include people telling you that your approach is
stupid, that it will not work, that it flies in the face of accepted,
methods, etc., etc., etc.

Such statements are too often toxic to those trying to lose weight and
to get themselves healthier in a variety of ways. The old line --
"everybody knows" -- has been proven wrong time and again. Everybody
just doesn't know effective and accurate methods. Going through some
of the inaccurate advice I have heard on this list -- even from those
who were apparently quite respected here -- would not be useful.

If you don't like what I am saying, you can employ a killfile/block
sender option.

I hope that our ends are the same -- to be healthier and to support
others as they continue in the long and difficult journey to health.

A thousand roads lead to health -- or at least a lot of roads do.

Actually, I feel very good about the methods I have used. Almost every
single time I have tried this approach I have lost large amounts of
weight and I have done so without much emotional turmoil. No second
guessing, half-way measures.

You probably are aware how difficult it is for many people to lose
significant amounts of weight. Many, many try and most don't make it.
The general approached I take clearly have effectively worked for me
in the past and they are working for me again. They will work this way
in the future. While people may not want to employ them, perhaps one
or two of the techniques might be useful. And if not then this might
be a demonstration that not every posting is helpful to every single
reader.

I think several of my views (e.g., ignoring the distractive and
possibly bad advice of others, doing what works for you regardless of
shrill criticism by others, being "good enough for long enough" to
work meaningful health change, etc.) are not common here but surely
will be helpful to those trying to lose weight. Not only can too many
cooks spoil the broth, but too many people giving advice can lead
people to maintaining their extra poundage.

One of the reasons (I think) some people react so viscerally to my
posts is that I have been able to adhere to a variety of techniques
that result in weight loss and then I stick to them long enough to
lose weight and be healthy, and I post the details of my journey as I
go along. I don't know anyone else here who has done so in such fine
detail on an ongoing basis. I also have stuck with my plan (e.g., I am
not going to try new diets as larger varieties of food make me eat
more, I am not going to boost my daily calorie intake in the unproved
and false expectation that eating more calories will allow me to lose
more weight, etc.) and perhaps that has irritated others who want to
give advice.

But a lot of the time the words that should come out of our keyboards
should be: "Hey, that's terrific!" Well done! Keep it up! You're doing
great!" And words such as that are too rare from some of the
Usenetters here. We find flaws in the approaches of others and demean
the intentions and progress that others make IF IT DOESN'T COMPORT TO
OUR OWN NARROW STANDARDS OF WHAT PROGRESS IS.

I do not write these posts to irritate you or anyone else but to
support those going on their difficult journey.

I'd be happy to discuss any aspect of my approach to weight loss with
anyone who is asking a serious question. This topic is too important
to shut out voices that may be helpful.

You're right about the fact that losing weight is not that difficult, Caleb.
It really isn't. That's why some of these weight loss companies are
thriving. They depend on people eating their prepackaged, low calorie
meals--and the pounds fly off. It isn't the losing that is the difficult
part of the proposition--it's keeping the weight off. That is the part of
your plan that I have not seen you talk about yet. I would be interested in
knowing how you plan to maintain your weight loss once you reach your goal.
For me, I am still in the process of losing weight, but I know that once I
get to goal, I will need to continue to keep watch on how much I eat, and
will need to continue with my physical activities to maintain my weight.
There is no option to go back to the way I ate before.

On 4 Feb 2007 06:53:33 -0800, "Caleb" wrote:

One of the reasons (I think) some people react so viscerally to my
posts is that I have been able to adhere to a variety of techniques
that result in weight loss and then I stick to them long enough to
lose weight and be healthy, and I post the details of my journey as I
go along. I don't know anyone else here who has done so in such fine
detail on an ongoing basis.

Um, you might try googling my "Food & Exercise" posts for the last 4
years or so. I've posted fine detail of my diet and exercise on a
daily basis for all that time -- showing my journey to losing well
over 100 lbs. and MAINTAINING THAT LOSS.

My problem with your posts -- having seen you here now off and on for
many years -- is that you don't really share with newbies on the list
the fact that you do this once a year or so, lose a lot of weight, and
then gain it all back. Because this isn't obvious to the newbies,
many are attracted to your approach because of its apparent success.
Few of these people, though, would deliberately choose a diet approach
that had no demonstrated success in keeping weight off. I think what
concerns many of us is that you present yourself as an expert without
actually having achieved what most of us would call success at weight
loss.

Maybe you would have weighed 500 lbs by now if you didn't do this
annually, so to that extent I guess you could call your method a
proven approach to weight maintenance (though it looks like the
average is creeping up a bit). But I doubt it's what most people are
hoping to accomplish.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

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Teachrmama - if you are truely interested in a dialog with this poster,
please take it to Alt.support.diet.low-calorie You will find very
little support of this poster in here

Actually, there are topics here that I do not enter opinions on because
they are of no interest to me. It is easy to just skip over them. I
understand that you feel great disdain for this poster, but you are not
required to read his posts, or any conversations that he is in. I
always respond respectfully to other posters, and do not feel that my
conversation with Caleb is violating any of this newsgroup's rules and
regulations. If you were standing behind me in the grocery store and I
were carrying on a conversation with Caleb, would you ask that we go to
McDonald's and discuss things, rather than conversing in a public place
you just happened to be in? With all due respect, that is how I feel you
are speaking to me here.

You know what? Caleb is nothing more than a troll... The fact that you
want to maintain a dialogue with a troll kind of hurts your own
credibility. It doesn't take a whole lot of knowledge of diet/health to
know that his approach is not healthy or effective at permanent weight
loss. If you can't figure that out for yourself, fine. But it leaves
the rest of us here who have seen him go through this countless times
absolutely flabbergasted and exasperated.

I agree with you that losing weight and regaining it is not a good way to
maintain a healthy weight or lifestyle. I certainly have no intentions of
following such a plan. I have come too far in my own efforts to want to
try a plan that is not a total change to a new way of eating. But I am
curious as to Caleb's reasons for the choices he is making, and how he
came to make the choices he has. Maybe he comes back here repeatedly
because he is learning new approaches each time he comes. I see him as
very polite--I haven't seen him trying to force his choices on anyone
else. I do hope that he will realize that if he continues with the
healthy eating choices he makes in the 100 days, he will be healthier than
if he regains and reloses the same weight time after time. But having
polite conversations with him does not mean that I am espousing his
choices, and I am not certain why it riles up some of the regular posters
here. I find that odd.

Because he has been doing this for about 6 yrs or more, every single year.
Google him.

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Teachrmama - if you are truely interested in a dialog with this
poster, please take it to Alt.support.diet.low-calorie You will find
very little support of this poster in here

Actually, there are topics here that I do not enter opinions on because
they are of no interest to me. It is easy to just skip over them. I
understand that you feel great disdain for this poster, but you are not
required to read his posts, or any conversations that he is in. I
always respond respectfully to other posters, and do not feel that my
conversation with Caleb is violating any of this newsgroup's rules and
regulations. If you were standing behind me in the grocery store and I
were carrying on a conversation with Caleb, would you ask that we go to
McDonald's and discuss things, rather than conversing in a public place
you just happened to be in? With all due respect, that is how I feel
you are speaking to me here.

You know what? Caleb is nothing more than a troll... The fact that you
want to maintain a dialogue with a troll kind of hurts your own
credibility. It doesn't take a whole lot of knowledge of diet/health to
know that his approach is not healthy or effective at permanent weight
loss. If you can't figure that out for yourself, fine. But it leaves
the rest of us here who have seen him go through this countless times
absolutely flabbergasted and exasperated.

I agree with you that losing weight and regaining it is not a good way to
maintain a healthy weight or lifestyle. I certainly have no intentions
of following such a plan. I have come too far in my own efforts to want
to try a plan that is not a total change to a new way of eating. But I
am curious as to Caleb's reasons for the choices he is making, and how he
came to make the choices he has. Maybe he comes back here repeatedly
because he is learning new approaches each time he comes. I see him as
very polite--I haven't seen him trying to force his choices on anyone
else. I do hope that he will realize that if he continues with the
healthy eating choices he makes in the 100 days, he will be healthier
than if he regains and reloses the same weight time after time. But
having polite conversations with him does not mean that I am espousing
his choices, and I am not certain why it riles up some of the regular
posters here. I find that odd.

Because he has been doing this for about 6 yrs or more, every single year.
Google him.

I have no doubt about what you are saying. And he certainly has not
disagreed with you on that issue. I just don't think people should be told
not to talk to someone else just because that person has introduced
unwelcome ideas in the past. I am very curious as to why he keeps following
the same approach over and over when it does not give him what he
wants--permanent weight loss.

On Feb 4, 10:49 am, "teachrmama" wrote:
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Teachrmama - if you are truely interested in a dialog with this poster,
please take it to Alt.support.diet.low-calorie You will find very
little support of this poster in here

Actually, there are topics here that I do not enter opinions on because
they are of no interest to me. It is easy to just skip over them. I
understand that you feel great disdain for this poster, but you are not
required to read his posts, or any conversations that he is in. I always
respond respectfully to other posters, and do not feel that my
conversation with Caleb is violating any of this newsgroup's rules and
regulations. If you were standing behind me in the grocery store and I
were carrying on a conversation with Caleb, would you ask that we go to
McDonald's and discuss things, rather than conversing in a public place
you just happened to be in? With all due respect, that is how I feel you
are speaking to me here.

You know what? Caleb is nothing more than a troll... The fact that you
want to maintain a dialogue with a troll kind of hurts your own
credibility. It doesn't take a whole lot of knowledge of diet/health to
know that his approach is not healthy or effective at permanent weight
loss. If you can't figure that out for yourself, fine. But it leaves the
rest of us here who have seen him go through this countless times
absolutely flabbergasted and exasperated.

I agree with you that losing weight and regaining it is not a good way to
maintain a healthy weight or lifestyle. I certainly have no intentions of
following such a plan. I have come too far in my own efforts to want to try
a plan that is not a total change to a new way of eating. But I am curious
as to Caleb's reasons for the choices he is making, and how he came to make
the choices he has. Maybe he comes back here repeatedly because he is
learning new approaches each time he comes. I see him as very polite--I
haven't seen him trying to force his choices on anyone else. I do hope that
he will realize that if he continues with the healthy eating choices he
makes in the 100 days, he will be healthier than if he regains and reloses
the same weight time after time. But having polite conversations with him
does not mean that I am espousing his choices, and I am not certain why it
riles up some of the regular posters here. I find that odd.


Have no fear, if you miss it this year, he'll be back around next
year!!!

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Teachrmama - if you are truely interested in a dialog with this
poster, please take it to Alt.support.diet.low-calorie You will
find very little support of this poster in here

Actually, there are topics here that I do not enter opinions on
because they are of no interest to me. It is easy to just skip over
them. I understand that you feel great disdain for this poster, but
you are not required to read his posts, or any conversations that he
is in. I always respond respectfully to other posters, and do not
feel that my conversation with Caleb is violating any of this
newsgroup's rules and regulations. If you were standing behind me in
the grocery store and I were carrying on a conversation with Caleb,
would you ask that we go to McDonald's and discuss things, rather than
conversing in a public place you just happened to be in? With all due
respect, that is how I feel you are speaking to me here.

You know what? Caleb is nothing more than a troll... The fact that
you want to maintain a dialogue with a troll kind of hurts your own
credibility. It doesn't take a whole lot of knowledge of diet/health to
know that his approach is not healthy or effective at permanent weight
loss. If you can't figure that out for yourself, fine. But it leaves
the rest of us here who have seen him go through this countless times
absolutely flabbergasted and exasperated.

I agree with you that losing weight and regaining it is not a good way
to maintain a healthy weight or lifestyle. I certainly have no
intentions of following such a plan. I have come too far in my own
efforts to want to try a plan that is not a total change to a new way of
eating. But I am curious as to Caleb's reasons for the choices he is
making, and how he came to make the choices he has. Maybe he comes back
here repeatedly because he is learning new approaches each time he
comes. I see him as very polite--I haven't seen him trying to force his
choices on anyone else. I do hope that he will realize that if he
continues with the healthy eating choices he makes in the 100 days, he
will be healthier than if he regains and reloses the same weight time
after time. But having polite conversations with him does not mean that
I am espousing his choices, and I am not certain why it riles up some of
the regular posters here. I find that odd.

Because he has been doing this for about 6 yrs or more, every single
year. Google him.

I have no doubt about what you are saying. And he certainly has not
disagreed with you on that issue. I just don't think people should be
told not to talk to someone else just because that person has introduced
unwelcome ideas in the past. I am very curious as to why he keeps
following the same approach over and over when it does not give him what
he wants--permanent weight loss.

I am curious too. Keep in mind, this man is a clinical psychologist. He
ought to understand this. Or is this some sort of "experiment" he's trying
with us.