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Cool NSV Fred!

Brenda

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Besides feeling fitter, I am still enjoying the novelty of it all.
The slimmer me still surprises me on occasion. Passing a window or
mirror. Or sitting and having the clasped hands slipping into the lap
since there is no stomach shelf to support them. The other night at
the opera, I saw a former neighbor, she exclaimed loudy 'wow, you look
great" and then repeated it about 3 times. It was an UP.

So I should be able to keep what I'm enjoying - I should only hope.

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:34:27 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

YES. my own .02. This is sinking in slowly with me, but being able to
go
in a store and get the "medium" whatever and have it fit... No longer
standing out in the world because I am huge. Fitting Everywhere. Moving
so
easily. Running. Walking as long as I have Time to walk, never tiring
out
or feeling sore knees or feet. Slipping through tight places in stores,
et
al... never mind worrying about those turnstile things, or folding
chairs.
A friend gave me an exercise ball that she was not using, and I had a
moment
or two of feeling like, wow, I am going to pop this thing, but no way...
It
is so worth even journaling every day if that is what it takes. I was
thinking about the other conversation, I think Laura? said she did not
feel
like she had to journal. I tend to Undereat when I don't journal. Then
after a week or so, get so hungry that I Overeat. I am sure in time, I
will
have a better feel for it all. But not going back up. Not.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Clearly, rhetorical question time but is being able to do that worth
the hassle, the ceaseless hassle and constant monitoring and worrying
about what you eat? I know my current answer and I hope that I know
my future answer.

Great nsv.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:03:36 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

I finally got around today to shoveling/moving the couple inches of
snow from my walkways and alley parking that we got on Thursday
(before the snowstorm that's predicted for tonight through Monday with
a guesstimated 6" total accumulation). In the past, I've pulled out
the snow blower even for a small amount because I've never been able
to finish without ending up completely winded and with a terrible
backache.

Today I used the shovel for the whole thing and didn't end up out of
breath, and I'm able to stand erect without any twinge of pain. In
fact, I feel like I barely exerted myself at all.

The stupendous results of weight loss and strength training! Hoo-yah!

Prairie Roots
232/165/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

I am truly blessed, I can only handle one personality at a time and he is a
perfectly continuous human while I tend toward the, lets say more erratic,
Lee
Lesanne wrote in message
...
This made me laugh because it made such Perfect sense.

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
no not that, he is far to straightforward but several personalities
probably
lobbied him
Lesanne wrote in message
...
Probably has a streak of politician in there and took a poll

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
I think that is why he stuck around, I think he figured that out
early,
Lee
Lesanne wrote in message
...
Oh yeah, but when EVER does the committee agree on Anything? I
might
have
a
couple who get together, but never more than 2 or 3.

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
I told my DH when we first started going out, you only need
worry
if
all
my
personalities decide they hate you... Lee, that was over twenty
years
ago
Lesanne wrote in message
...
ooooooooo. Good idea on the sig lines. Let me consult the
committee,
and
see what we can come up with.

Sybil
(how do you spell that multiple personality chicks name
anyway)
This one uses the "fred" method of picking a number for
weight -
lets
see.
124

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
news You know the answer: Of course it's worth the hassle etc.
But
it's
my
rational self posting this response. My
crazy/emotional/little
kid
side is the one who posts tantrums about the always and
forever
nature
of living healthy. I might have to come up with discrete sig
lines
so
you'll know who's posting what. G

Prairie Roots

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:12:24 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Clearly, rhetorical question time but is being able to do
that
worth
the hassle, the ceaseless hassle and constant monitoring
and
worrying
about what you eat? I know my current answer and I hope
that
I
know
my future answer.

Great nsv.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:03:36 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

I finally got around today to shoveling/moving the couple
inches
of
snow from my walkways and alley parking that we got on
Thursday
(before the snowstorm that's predicted for tonight through
Monday
with
a guesstimated 6" total accumulation). In the past, I've
pulled
out
the snow blower even for a small amount because I've never
been
able
to finish without ending up completely winded and with a
terrible
backache.

Today I used the shovel for the whole thing and didn't end
up
out
of
breath, and I'm able to stand erect without any twinge of
pain.
In
fact, I feel like I barely exerted myself at all.

The stupendous results of weight loss and strength
training!
Hoo-yah!

Prairie Roots
232/165/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

I wish I knew what the heck my body was/is doing - have no idea if I even have a
metabollic rate left. g I have noticed that my scales also play the what goes
up must come down game. Couldn't figure out yesterday when I weighed myself .. up
a pound. When I actually had very little to eat the previous day. But ... I also
remember drinking an awful lot of water, yet not peeing very much. Hmmmmm, water
retention at it's best? Ate more yesterday, at least hit closer to the high end
of my points - pound gone this morning. Then again, it's the week prior to TOM -
which always reeks havoc with my system. Give me two more days and I'll be
tearing the place apart looking for chocolate. G 31 points does seem a lot to
me, but I still don't have a clue as to how many I am eating. I have found
somewhat of a point counting system that works for me, so stick with it. It also
means I am not totally correct on counting as ww does. I do not count multiple
servings of veggies - all are zero. All fruit is 1 point, regardless of size
(except for huge bananas, which I rarely if ever eat). Ketchup, bbq sauce, gravy,
etc. - usually don't count the half or one point that is used. So ... I could be
maintaining at a higher point amount than what my journal actually states. The
point being, it works for me - and that's about all we can do is find what works
for us individually. I don't believe it's those itty bit of sauces, fruit or
veggies that are what got me in trouble in the first place. G

Joyce

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:38:05 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

I think the neatest Thing is how my scale drops Right Back Down after a day
or two of journaling and staying OP. I really think that the years in the
middle when I did not diet at all, but kept exercising and lifting weights,
built enough muscle to raise my metabolic rate. I lost that extra couple
of pounds in two days, each of them 31 points. I am really hungry at 31
too, which is not the case with most of my friends on WW. They think that
is a lot. I eat more than anyone on my journal list, when I am Losing
weight.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
The scale just loves to reward us for eating over our points ...
immediately! G
I was over points on Sunday, as expected weight was also up this morning.
Oh,
suppose I should also mention that I drank a whopping total of 1 glass of
water
(probably had 4 cups of coffee too). Today I am waaaaaaaay under my daily
target,
but I have eaten and eaten well - just am not very hungry for some reason
and I
don't like to eat just for the sake of eating. Will definitely be
interesting to
see what the scale throws my way tomorrow or Wednesday.

I do know that over the long haul, not journalling is not good for me. I
can get
away with it for a few days or a week, but much more than that and I think
I
conveniently forget or just plain ignore what I've actually eaten. And a
few
weeks of behavior like this, and I'm in trouble. sigh

I did see an orthopedist when I was in my early 20's, for the knees. They
creek,
groan, make some rather lovely noises. One locks up periodically, of
course only
when going DOWN stairs - no warning until I'm on my butt. LOL But I
disregarded
his advise on surgery and still am surviving with the same symptoms I had
over 25
years ago - sooooooooo. My mom has had both knees surgically replaced, my
older
brother has problems with his knees also - so I do wonder if something is
just
plain heriditary. Of course, playing catcher for years in softball,
sliding
constantly (improperly dragging and ripping open knees) probably didn't
help
things along. Most of the time I no longer have pain, but I really do
feel it
when the dampness sets in around here. I do tend to just ignore it and
keep
moving. Like you, I don't see a Dr. unless absolutely necessary.

And fevers? What is it with them? I rarely ever get fevers either, most
the time
my body temp runs well below normal. I know I have felt like I was dying,
only to
be told my temp. was normal. Yeah, right ... normal for who or what?

Joyce

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:01:18 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

When I journal, I see that I have points to feed my very Real hunger.
And I
do it. Right up to whatever points are available. This past week was
interesting. I was not journaling despite wanting to, then I had a few
days
when I went WAY over. Just Starving. And feeling weak. I bounced up to
a
high of 161.5 right off, within 2 days of eating more. Then began to
journal, but ate all my points.. and voila, this morning 158.5. I think
I
have a very healthy metabolism, and it is most likely very important for
me
to eat "enough". I think if I journal all this week, by this time next
week
I will be back at my lower range of 156 - 157.5. It works for me very
well.
I guess I am just not ready to stop it yet. I don't have a good feel for
what is enough.

Regarding knees? I damaged mine really badly as a teen with my horses.
When I was gaining the weight I had periods where they were horribly
painful. Oddly enough, it also happened when I lost the first ton, and
again last year for a while. NOW my knees are not hurting at all. As a
nurse, I have a rule. Anything that is not gushing blood does not need
to
be evalutated by a doctor unless it hurts for more than 6 months. (I am
not
counting fevers and such, because I don't get em).
"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
... and restaurant booths. I have gone from feeling squeezed into one,
to
now
feeling like I'm sitting in the balcony. G I thought my knees no
longer ached,
I was wrong. The cold and damp lately has been a killer. At least I
now
know
THIS problem isn't from the weight - just the danged injuries from my
teen
years.
sigh

I have the opposite problem as you. When I journal, I tend to eat
less -
barely
making the minimum of my points. I guess there are those days when I
feel
like I
can't get enough to eat, have never looked back to see if the two
relate
at all.
One more thing to check into. I do think this problem for me comes
from
overplanning somewhat. Like today ... almost too healthy on all meals.
Even
splurged on a hot fudge sundae (light fudge sauce, skinny cow vanilla
icecream,
half a banana) and still only made it to 19 points. sigh Good thing
I
had
overdone things greatly on Saturday, and probably will again tomorrow.
G
It
really is a balancing act - kind of like we're walking a tightrope.

Joyce

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:34:27 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

YES. my own .02. This is sinking in slowly with me, but being able
to
go
in a store and get the "medium" whatever and have it fit... No longer
standing out in the world because I am huge. Fitting Everywhere.
Moving
so
easily. Running. Walking as long as I have Time to walk, never
tiring
out
or feeling sore knees or feet. Slipping through tight places in
stores,
et
al... never mind worrying about those turnstile things, or folding
chairs.
A friend gave me an exercise ball that she was not using, and I had a
moment
or two of feeling like, wow, I am going to pop this thing, but no
way...
It
is so worth even journaling every day if that is what it takes. I was
thinking about the other conversation, I think Laura? said she did not
feel
like she had to journal. I tend to Undereat when I don't journal.
Then
after a week or so, get so hungry that I Overeat. I am sure in time,
I
will
have a better feel for it all. But not going back up. Not.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Clearly, rhetorical question time but is being able to do that worth
the hassle, the ceaseless hassle and constant monitoring and
worrying
about what you eat? I know my current answer and I hope that I know
my future answer.

Great nsv.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:03:36 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

I finally got around today to shoveling/moving the couple inches of
snow from my walkways and alley parking that we got on Thursday
(before the snowstorm that's predicted for tonight through Monday
with
a guesstimated 6" total accumulation). In the past, I've pulled out
the snow blower even for a small amount because I've never been
able
to finish without ending up completely winded and with a terrible
backache.

Today I used the shovel for the whole thing and didn't end up out
of
breath, and I'm able to stand erect without any twinge of pain. In
fact, I feel like I barely exerted myself at all.

The stupendous results of weight loss and strength training!
Hoo-yah!

Prairie Roots
232/165/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

My leader today said that she has started losing weight again to give her
what we refer to as the "clothing allowance". She said that she eliminated
everything that she was not sure how to count. At lunch she was having the
salad bar each day for lunch and did a lot of estimating of what she ate.
Now she only eats what she knows the points for and it seems to be working
for her.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I wish I knew what the heck my body was/is doing - have no idea if I even
have a
metabollic rate left. g I have noticed that my scales also play the
what goes
up must come down game. Couldn't figure out yesterday when I weighed
myself .. up
a pound. When I actually had very little to eat the previous day. But
.... I also
remember drinking an awful lot of water, yet not peeing very much.
Hmmmmm, water
retention at it's best? Ate more yesterday, at least hit closer to the
high end
of my points - pound gone this morning. Then again, it's the week prior
to TOM -
which always reeks havoc with my system. Give me two more days and I'll
be
tearing the place apart looking for chocolate. G 31 points does seem a
lot to
me, but I still don't have a clue as to how many I am eating. I have
found
somewhat of a point counting system that works for me, so stick with it.
It also
means I am not totally correct on counting as ww does. I do not count
multiple
servings of veggies - all are zero. All fruit is 1 point, regardless of
size
(except for huge bananas, which I rarely if ever eat). Ketchup, bbq
sauce, gravy,
etc. - usually don't count the half or one point that is used. So ... I
could be
maintaining at a higher point amount than what my journal actually
states. The
point being, it works for me - and that's about all we can do is find what
works
for us individually. I don't believe it's those itty bit of sauces, fruit
or
veggies that are what got me in trouble in the first place. G

Joyce

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:38:05 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

I think the neatest Thing is how my scale drops Right Back Down after a
day
or two of journaling and staying OP. I really think that the years in
the
middle when I did not diet at all, but kept exercising and lifting
weights,
built enough muscle to raise my metabolic rate. I lost that extra
couple
of pounds in two days, each of them 31 points. I am really hungry at 31
too, which is not the case with most of my friends on WW. They think
that
is a lot. I eat more than anyone on my journal list, when I am Losing
weight.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
The scale just loves to reward us for eating over our points ...
immediately! G
I was over points on Sunday, as expected weight was also up this
morning.
Oh,
suppose I should also mention that I drank a whopping total of 1 glass
of
water
(probably had 4 cups of coffee too). Today I am waaaaaaaay under my
daily
target,
but I have eaten and eaten well - just am not very hungry for some
reason
and I
don't like to eat just for the sake of eating. Will definitely be
interesting to
see what the scale throws my way tomorrow or Wednesday.

I do know that over the long haul, not journalling is not good for me.
I
can get
away with it for a few days or a week, but much more than that and I
think
I
conveniently forget or just plain ignore what I've actually eaten. And
a
few
weeks of behavior like this, and I'm in trouble. sigh

I did see an orthopedist when I was in my early 20's, for the knees.
They
creek,
groan, make some rather lovely noises. One locks up periodically, of
course only
when going DOWN stairs - no warning until I'm on my butt. LOL But I
disregarded
his advise on surgery and still am surviving with the same symptoms I
had
over 25
years ago - sooooooooo. My mom has had both knees surgically replaced,
my
older
brother has problems with his knees also - so I do wonder if something
is
just
plain heriditary. Of course, playing catcher for years in softball,
sliding
constantly (improperly dragging and ripping open knees) probably didn't
help
things along. Most of the time I no longer have pain, but I really do
feel it
when the dampness sets in around here. I do tend to just ignore it and
keep
moving. Like you, I don't see a Dr. unless absolutely necessary.

And fevers? What is it with them? I rarely ever get fevers either,
most
the time
my body temp runs well below normal. I know I have felt like I was
dying,
only to
be told my temp. was normal. Yeah, right ... normal for who or what?

Joyce

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:01:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

When I journal, I see that I have points to feed my very Real hunger.
And I
do it. Right up to whatever points are available. This past week was
interesting. I was not journaling despite wanting to, then I had a
few
days
when I went WAY over. Just Starving. And feeling weak. I bounced up
to
a
high of 161.5 right off, within 2 days of eating more. Then began to
journal, but ate all my points.. and voila, this morning 158.5. I
think
I
have a very healthy metabolism, and it is most likely very important
for
me
to eat "enough". I think if I journal all this week, by this time
next
week
I will be back at my lower range of 156 - 157.5. It works for me very
well.
I guess I am just not ready to stop it yet. I don't have a good feel
for
what is enough.

Regarding knees? I damaged mine really badly as a teen with my
horses.
When I was gaining the weight I had periods where they were horribly
painful. Oddly enough, it also happened when I lost the first ton,
and
again last year for a while. NOW my knees are not hurting at all. As
a
nurse, I have a rule. Anything that is not gushing blood does not
need
to
be evalutated by a doctor unless it hurts for more than 6 months. (I
am
not
counting fevers and such, because I don't get em).
"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
... and restaurant booths. I have gone from feeling squeezed into
one,
to
now
feeling like I'm sitting in the balcony. G I thought my knees no
longer ached,
I was wrong. The cold and damp lately has been a killer. At least
I
now
know
THIS problem isn't from the weight - just the danged injuries from
my
teen
years.
sigh

I have the opposite problem as you. When I journal, I tend to eat
less -
barely
making the minimum of my points. I guess there are those days when
I
feel
like I
can't get enough to eat, have never looked back to see if the two
relate
at all.
One more thing to check into. I do think this problem for me comes
from
overplanning somewhat. Like today ... almost too healthy on all
meals.
Even
splurged on a hot fudge sundae (light fudge sauce, skinny cow
vanilla
icecream,
half a banana) and still only made it to 19 points. sigh Good
thing
I
had
overdone things greatly on Saturday, and probably will again
tomorrow.
G
It
really is a balancing act - kind of like we're walking a tightrope.

Joyce

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:34:27 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

YES. my own .02. This is sinking in slowly with me, but being
able
to
go
in a store and get the "medium" whatever and have it fit... No
longer
standing out in the world because I am huge. Fitting Everywhere.
Moving
so
easily. Running. Walking as long as I have Time to walk, never
tiring
out
or feeling sore knees or feet. Slipping through tight places in
stores,
et
al... never mind worrying about those turnstile things, or folding
chairs.
A friend gave me an exercise ball that she was not using, and I had
a
moment
or two of feeling like, wow, I am going to pop this thing, but no
way...
It
is so worth even journaling every day if that is what it takes. I
was
thinking about the other conversation, I think Laura? said she did
not
feel
like she had to journal. I tend to Undereat when I don't journal.
Then
after a week or so, get so hungry that I Overeat. I am sure in
time,
I
will
have a better feel for it all. But not going back up. Not.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Clearly, rhetorical question time but is being able to do that
worth
the hassle, the ceaseless hassle and constant monitoring and
worrying
about what you eat? I know my current answer and I hope that I
know
my future answer.

Great nsv.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:03:36 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

I finally got around today to shoveling/moving the couple inches
of
snow from my walkways and alley parking that we got on Thursday
(before the snowstorm that's predicted for tonight through
Monday
with
a guesstimated 6" total accumulation). In the past, I've pulled
out
the snow blower even for a small amount because I've never been
able
to finish without ending up completely winded and with a
terrible
backache.

Today I used the shovel for the whole thing and didn't end up
out
of
breath, and I'm able to stand erect without any twinge of pain.
In
fact, I feel like I barely exerted myself at all.

The stupendous results of weight loss and strength training!
Hoo-yah!

Prairie Roots
232/165/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003