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Old August 3rd, 2012, 06:55 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Dogman
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:24:19 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:


Yes, those are your tactics exactly. *Claiming for example
that lack of sleep causes AIDS.


But a lack of sleep *can* contribute to a compromised immune system!

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders...ss-10/immune-s...

Really, have you never even taken one biology class?


Really, do you ever stay on topic or come up with an
actual study that supports what you claim? Did I ever
say that lack of sleep can't contribute to a lowered
immune system?


Yes, that's exactly what you implied.

What you and the denialist kooks are claiming is:

lack of sleep can wipe out your immune system
totally, leaving you open to the opportunistic infections
that characterize AIDS. Study please.....


But I never said that.

And I'm tiring of arguing against your straw men.

even after proper sleep is restored, the immune
system remains wiped out, patients acquire
opportunistic infections and typically
die. Study please.


Ditto above.

lack of sleep can produce the near zero levels of
CD4 cells seen in AIDS patients. Study please....


Ditto above.

and a study explaining why the above sleep
phenomena is only seen in people who are
HIV+ would be nice too.... Study please....

Of course there are no studies because it's a
big lie.


There are no studies because I never said anything like that, you
freakin' moron.

I said that doing *all* of the things that Duesberg outlines, over
time, will destroy your immune system. Some sooner than later.

Now, go look up the word "all" and stop using straw men, you freakin'
moron.

That's like saying, who should we believe, all the other scientists,
or Galileo?


I'm going with Galileo.


See, here is the essential difference.
Galileo had PROOF for what he was claiming.


No more than Duesberg, et al.


Another lie. Duesburg has no studies, no facts, nothing
new just old theories that no studies support. Galileo
proved his claims with a telescope.


Duesbreg proved his claim with sound reasoning, deductive logic, The
Scientific Method, and being the preeminent retrovirologist on the
planet.

Gallo, et al., haven't proven anything.

Besides, Gallo has been convicted twice of scientific misconduct and
fraud, and Montagnier says that HIV, by itself, can't cause AIDS.


The above is yet another lie. *Gallo was never convicted of
anything, nor was he even charged.


I didn't mean criminally.


But that is what convicted means liar.


In your dictionary, but not in mine.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/convicted

2. To show or declare to be blameworthy; condemn: His remarks
convicted him of a lack of sensitivity.
3. To make aware of one's sinfulness or guilt.

You were hanging yours on Montagnier,


I wasn't hanging any hats; I was simply repeating his own words.


No, I gave you Montagnier's words when he clearly denounced
an AIDS denialist propaganda piece publicly in 2006.

Here, in his own words:


Yeah, he's been on both sides of the issue for years. That's because
he's trying to have his cake and eat it too. But he said it, he
believed it, and that was as recently as 2009.

We had the AIDS patients in the first few years dying one
after the other, despite the fact that THERE WERE NO AIDS
drugs.


Correct. *But they were all drug-abusing gay men, who had been burning
the candle at both ends for years. They had destroyed their immune
systems with drugs and lifestyle, *No AIDS drugs were needed.


Sure. We have a disease with very, very specific characteristics.
We know it manifests itself in the total destruction of CD4 cells.


No, we don't, because it doesn't destroy cells. To do so would be to
commit suicide. Retroviruses don't commit suicide. They only get to
survive by keeping the cell alive.

It's Biology 101.

We have your denialist friends today refusing to
take any AIDS drugs and they are mostly dying at 30.


No, they are mostly living and thriving.


I think not.


I've already given you a list of the thousands who are not taking AIDS
drugs and are THRIVING.

See: gay liberation, Stonewall riots, etc.,


See world encyclopedia and realize that AIDS and
HIV exist on every continent, in every country.


What? We're the only country that has homosexuals? The only country
that abuses drugs?


Anyone except a bigot knows that tens of millions of
people of various backgrounds have died from AIDS.


Yes, "AIDS by prescripion," from taking AIDS drugs.


Bigot


Moron.

And only a bigot would try to somehow link it to gay
liberation.


Again, that's where it all started in THIS COUNTRY.


Bigot


Moron.

Again this is what is offensive. The rest of us
see a woman infected with HIV by a partner that
she didn't know had HIV. It's tragic, but we know how
it happens.


Yes, it is tragic, because now they are going to start giving her AIDS
drugs, which will KILL her. And it's all unnecessary!


You denialists have to call her
a liar or secret drug addict or prostitute.


What? People who test positive for HIV don't lie? Just the rest of
us can be liars, right? Is that yet another "mysterious" effect of
HIV? It makes you tell the truth?


Some of them might, sure.


How many does it take?


In your case just one. Because you are the worst liar
I've ever encountred. But it won't work here, not
today. I'm gonna expose you for the lying bigot you are.


Good luck with that!

Asshole.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 08:47 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Dogman wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Efforts to create a vaccine have all failed so far. That's not the same
thing as a prediction that none will ever work. Time will tell.


My prediction that none will work is based on the idea that HIV is
already harmless.


Scenario - A virus is harmful. A vaccine is developed and deployed.
The infection rate and death rate goes down. The virus is effectively
proven to have caused the disease.

Scenario - A virus is harmless. A vaccine is developed and deployed.
The infection rate and death rate are unchanged. The virus is
effectively proven to be have been harmless.

Scenario - No vaccine is ever developed or deployed. Other methods need
to be used to prove the issue.

It doesn't kill cells.


The very successful viruses do not.
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 09:17 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Dogman
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 19:47:57 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
wrote:

[...]
Scenario - A virus is harmful. A vaccine is developed and deployed.
The infection rate and death rate goes down. The virus is effectively
proven to have caused the disease.


The death rate today is largely caused by taking AIDS drugs. So a
vaccine that does not account for that is meaningless.

The death rate would plummet if they'd just stop giving AIDS drugs to
any poor slob who's unfortunate enough to test positive for a harmless
retrovirus.

And then plummet even further if certain lifestyles were modified,
until "AIDS" simply disappeared.

Scenario - A virus is harmless. A vaccine is developed and deployed.
The infection rate and death rate are unchanged.


A vaccine (depending on the kind of vaccine, of course, i.e., live,
attenuated, etc.) would probably allow for those given the vaccine to
all test positive for HIV (vaccines stimulate antibody production). If
testing positive for HIV would then require being given AIDS drugs,
there would actually be an INCREASE in deaths.

Scenario - No vaccine is ever developed or deployed. Other methods need
to be used to prove the issue.

It doesn't kill cells.


The very successful viruses do not.


Let's stick to retroviruses, okay?

Retroviruses, virtually by definition, cannot kill cells and still
survive. No cell, no retrovirus. That's why the actual retrovirus is
virtually impossible to detect, even in patients with "full-blown"
AIDS. It's quickly neutralized by the immune system. Only HIV
*antibodies* remain.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
 




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