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Old September 20th, 2008, 06:08 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
ozgun.harmanci
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Hello there, I am 26 years old, trying to put off some fat while
keeping (and hopefully adding up some muscle mass, or increasing
muscle/fat ratio). I have 3 questions:

I go to gym around 2-3 times a week. When i work out, I run around
50-60 mins, mostly aerobic, that is, 5 to 7 mph adding some incline
based on my heart rhythm. Then work out pecs, shoulder and biceps all
at the same time. I think that is not good, because I usually stay in
the gym around 2 hours and most probably overtraining. I know that I
should split the exercises over the week but I get bored doing that
and i want to do them all when i am at the gym. I started putting off
weight but I am pretty sure that i am also losing muscle bc of
overtraining. Any comments/solutions/advices on that?

Here's my post workout shake: 2 scoops of body fortress whey protein,
2 scoops (same as protein scoops) of carbo-gain maltodextrin, 1
banana, around 600 ml of fat free milk, around 3 scoops of fat free
plain yogurt. Do you think any of these are going to increase the
digestion time of carbo-gain? Should i use water instead of milk? Or
take out the banana (because of fiber in it)?

Lastly, before workouts, I drink water+1 scoop of carbo gain so that I
hope to pump some sugar to my muscles. Do you think that is a good
idea? Do you know if taking too much carbo gain is bad for the liver/
kidney, or anything?

Thanks a bunch.
Arif.
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Old September 20th, 2008, 08:41 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
jcderkoenig
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You're not overtraining.



"ozgun.harmanci" wrote in message
...
Hello there, I am 26 years old, trying to put off some fat while
keeping (and hopefully adding up some muscle mass, or increasing
muscle/fat ratio). I have 3 questions:

I go to gym around 2-3 times a week. When i work out, I run around
50-60 mins, mostly aerobic, that is, 5 to 7 mph adding some incline
based on my heart rhythm. Then work out pecs, shoulder and biceps all
at the same time. I think that is not good, because I usually stay in
the gym around 2 hours and most probably overtraining. I know that I
should split the exercises over the week but I get bored doing that
and i want to do them all when i am at the gym. I started putting off
weight but I am pretty sure that i am also losing muscle bc of
overtraining. Any comments/solutions/advices on that?

Here's my post workout shake: 2 scoops of body fortress whey protein,
2 scoops (same as protein scoops) of carbo-gain maltodextrin, 1
banana, around 600 ml of fat free milk, around 3 scoops of fat free
plain yogurt. Do you think any of these are going to increase the
digestion time of carbo-gain? Should i use water instead of milk? Or
take out the banana (because of fiber in it)?

Lastly, before workouts, I drink water+1 scoop of carbo gain so that I
hope to pump some sugar to my muscles. Do you think that is a good
idea? Do you know if taking too much carbo gain is bad for the liver/
kidney, or anything?

Thanks a bunch.
Arif.



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Old September 20th, 2008, 09:32 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
ozgun.harmanci
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Thanks, I really hope so! The reason why I think i might be
overtraining is that ppl say that 30-40 mins should be max you should
stay in gym..

On Sep 20, 3:41*pm, "jcderkoenig" wrote:
You're not overtraining.

"ozgun.harmanci" wrote in message

...

Hello there, I am 26 years old, trying to put off some fat while
keeping (and hopefully adding up some muscle mass, or increasing
muscle/fat ratio). I have 3questions:


I go to gym around 2-3 times a week. When i work out, I run around
50-60 mins, mostly aerobic, that is, 5 to 7 mph adding some incline
based on my heart rhythm. Then work out pecs, shoulder and biceps all
at the same time. I think that is not good, because I usually stay in
the gym around 2 hours and most probably overtraining. I know that I
should split the exercises over the week but I get bored doing that
and i want to do them all when i am at the gym. I started putting off
weight but I am pretty sure that i am also losing muscle bc of
overtraining. Any comments/solutions/advices on that?


Here's my post workout shake: 2 scoops of body fortress whey protein,
2 scoops (same as protein scoops) of carbo-gain maltodextrin, 1
banana, around 600 ml of fat free milk, around 3 scoops of fat free
plain yogurt. Do you think any of these are going to increase the
digestion time of carbo-gain? Should i use water instead of milk? Or
take out the banana (because of fiber in it)?


Lastly, before workouts, I drink water+1 scoop of carbo gain so that I
hope to pump some sugar to my muscles. Do you think that is a good
idea? Do you know if taking too much carbo gain is bad for the liver/
kidney, or anything?


Thanks a bunch.
Arif.


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Old September 20th, 2008, 10:12 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
jcderkoenig
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It's very difficult to overtrain yourself, and it's a cumulative effect over
weeks and months. The urban myth of common overtraining comes from the days
when lifters would stay in the gym for 6 or 8 hours a day every day while
trying to build muscle through volume training. There are a list of symptoms
such as a washed-out feeling, tired, drained, lack of energy, mild leg
soreness, general aches and pains, pain in muscles and joints, sudden drop
in performance, insomnia, headaches, increased number of colds, and sore
throats, decrease in training capacity and intensity, moodiness and
irritability, depression, loss of enthusiasm for the sport, decreased
appetite, and an increased incidence of injuries. Even if you have these
symptoms, you have to make sure it's from the exercise and not just because
you're not ingesting enough calories.


"ozgun.harmanci" wrote in message
...
Thanks, I really hope so! The reason why I think i might be
overtraining is that ppl say that 30-40 mins should be max you should
stay in gym..

On Sep 20, 3:41 pm, "jcderkoenig" wrote:
You're not overtraining.

"ozgun.harmanci" wrote in message

...

Hello there, I am 26 years old, trying to put off some fat while
keeping (and hopefully adding up some muscle mass, or increasing
muscle/fat ratio). I have 3questions:


I go to gym around 2-3 times a week. When i work out, I run around
50-60 mins, mostly aerobic, that is, 5 to 7 mph adding some incline
based on my heart rhythm. Then work out pecs, shoulder and biceps all
at the same time. I think that is not good, because I usually stay in
the gym around 2 hours and most probably overtraining. I know that I
should split the exercises over the week but I get bored doing that
and i want to do them all when i am at the gym. I started putting off
weight but I am pretty sure that i am also losing muscle bc of
overtraining. Any comments/solutions/advices on that?


Here's my post workout shake: 2 scoops of body fortress whey protein,
2 scoops (same as protein scoops) of carbo-gain maltodextrin, 1
banana, around 600 ml of fat free milk, around 3 scoops of fat free
plain yogurt. Do you think any of these are going to increase the
digestion time of carbo-gain? Should i use water instead of milk? Or
take out the banana (because of fiber in it)?


Lastly, before workouts, I drink water+1 scoop of carbo gain so that I
hope to pump some sugar to my muscles. Do you think that is a good
idea? Do you know if taking too much carbo gain is bad for the liver/
kidney, or anything?


Thanks a bunch.
Arif.



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Old September 20th, 2008, 11:40 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Cheri
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"jcderkoenig" wrote in message
...
It's very difficult to overtrain yourself, and it's a cumulative effect
over weeks and months. The urban myth of common overtraining comes from
the days


Damn JC!!! This might be a helpful post...you are slipping bud. :-)

Cheri

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Old September 21st, 2008, 02:20 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
ozgun.harmanci
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Oh, well, Im kinda feeling all of those right now.. I will take it
easy for some time though.. I think it should be ok to feel those
after intense training..

On Sep 20, 6:40 pm, "Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote:
"jcderkoenig" wrote in message

...

It's very difficult to overtrain yourself, and it's a cumulative effect
over weeks and months. The urban myth of common overtraining comes from
the days


Damn JC!!! This might be a helpful post...you are slipping bud. :-)

Cheri


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Old September 21st, 2008, 05:14 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
DB[_2_]
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"ozgun.harmanci" wrote in

I go to gym around 2-3 times a week. When i work out, I run around
50-60 mins, mostly aerobic, that is, 5 to 7 mph adding some incline
based on my heart rhythm. Then work out pecs, shoulder and biceps all
at the same time. I think that is not good, because I usually stay in
the gym around 2 hours and most probably overtraining.


Not over training, but the problem is sustaining such a program when boredom
sets in and your schedule gets busy.
You'll tend to drop training all together as you lose interest.

Best to just plan 40 minutes 3 times a week, it's much more effective!


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Old September 22nd, 2008, 03:59 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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"ozgun.harmanci" wrote:

Hello there, I am 26 years old, trying to put off some fat while
keeping (and hopefully adding up some muscle mass, or increasing
muscle/fat ratio). I have 3 questions:


It is true that low carb dieting tends to retain more lean than
low fat dieting, but I'm puzzled why you posted to a low carb
support group rather than a low fat support group. Do you
have the impression that low carbers work out more than low
fatters and thus have more experience on the topic? I
wonder how true such an impression would be and how to
measure it. I find it a dubious notion.

I go to gym around 2-3 times a week. When i work out, I run around
50-60 mins, mostly aerobic, that is, 5 to 7 mph adding some incline
based on my heart rhythm. Then work out pecs, shoulder and biceps all
at the same time. I think that is not good, because I usually stay in
the gym around 2 hours and most probably overtraining. I know that I
should split the exercises over the week but I get bored doing that
and i want to do them all when i am at the gym. I started putting off
weight but I am pretty sure that i am also losing muscle bc of
overtraining. Any comments/solutions/advices on that?


Over training is based on your current fitness. Someone who
does 5K runs then suddenly runs a marathon is over training.
As long as you built up to your current workout and have been
doing it for a while you aren't overtraining.

Here's my post workout shake: 2 scoops of body fortress whey protein,
2 scoops (same as protein scoops) of carbo-gain maltodextrin, 1
banana, around 600 ml of fat free milk, around 3 scoops of fat free
plain yogurt. Do you think any of these are going to increase the
digestion time of carbo-gain? Should i use water instead of milk? Or
take out the banana (because of fiber in it)?


This is why I'm puzzled about where you're posting your question.
No matter what the claimed carb level is for the malto-dextrin,
malto-dextrin is a sugar and thus a carb. You're eating high carb
low fat not low carb high fat. As such you're asking on the wrong
group. What does the low carb support group report? What does
the weight lifting support group report?

Lastly, before workouts, I drink water+1 scoop of carbo gain so that I
hope to pump some sugar to my muscles. Do you think that is a good
idea?


You ask that on a low carb support group so you should not
be surprised at the obvious answer - No, sugar is not good for
you and it is not needed for workouts. Switching to low carb
does require starting out easy and building back up but it
works just fine.

Do you know if taking too much carbo gain is bad for the liver/
kidney, or anything?


Taking to much sugar is bad for the pancreas. It becomes a
problem for the kidneys if and only if you do enough of it to
go diabetic and get wild blood sugar swings. Neither low fat
nor low carb are bad for the liver.
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Old September 22nd, 2008, 07:57 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Kaz Kylheku
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On 2008-09-20, ozgun.harmanci wrote:
Here's my post workout shake: 2 scoops of body fortress whey protein,
2 scoops (same as protein scoops) of carbo-gain maltodextrin, 1
banana, around 600 ml of fat free milk, around 3 scoops of fat free
plain yogurt. Do you think any of these are going to increase the
digestion time of carbo-gain? Should i use water instead of milk? Or
take out the banana (because of fiber in it)?


Maltodextrin is refined carbohydrate junk.

It's better to eat nutritious, unrefined carbohydrates.

(Why would you consume refined, powdered carbohydrate material and then worry
about its fast digestion time? Doh?)

There are uses for matodextrin: it's useful for quick energy in endurance
events such as marathons. The various ``power gel'' type products are made of
maltodextrin and water. It's quite a racket: divide it into tiny packages and
sell it for a grossly inflated price!

I bought a kilogram of maltodextrin about four years ago. I still have most of
it, because I've only used it in a few marathons to make my own power goop.

Why is this stuff marketed at guys who are trying to build muscle? What role
would it play? To gain muscle, you need calories. The stuff has them. That's
it. The number one reason skinny guys have trouble gaining muscle is that they
don't consume enough calories in relation to their fast metabolisms.

You're best off getting the calories from real food, and forget about the
supplements.
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Old September 22nd, 2008, 09:08 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
ozgun.harmanci
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I am sorry if this is the wrong group to ask but since we started
here, I am hoping it is ok to keep it here. I will also ask the same
question in the low fat and body building groups (I think I did one of
those but not sure)..

I totally agree with the fact that 2 hours is too long for making
space in your schedule.. I might start doing workouts and runs
alternatively. But I believe that it depends on how motivated you
are.. I usually can have 1-2 hours everyday free so I think i will try
to keep it up for some time.

(Why would you consume refined, powdered carbohydrate material and then worry
about its fast digestion time? Doh?)


The reason why I am worrying about the digestion time of maltodextrin
is that after the workouts im pretty washed up and I dont want the
muscles to start burning themselves off since they are most probably
out of all glycogen they had.. I read that supplying the needed
carbohydrate to muscles as soon as possible is vital after working
out. That kinda makes sense bc if your body do not have anything to
survive on its gonna break some muscles.. So if you eat things that
are going to increase digestion time of the maltodextrin, which keeps
muscles longer without needed sugar.. That is going to be the most
undesired thing! That is why those guys are always skinny..


On Sep 22, 2:57*pm, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
On 2008-09-20, ozgun.harmanci wrote:

Here's my post workout shake: 2 scoops of body fortress whey protein,
2 scoops (same as protein scoops) of carbo-gain maltodextrin, 1
banana, around 600 ml of fat free milk, around 3 scoops of fat free
plain yogurt. Do you think any of these are going to increase the
digestion time of carbo-gain? Should i use water instead of milk? Or
take out the banana (because of fiber in it)?


Maltodextrin is refined carbohydrate junk.

It's better to eat nutritious, unrefined carbohydrates.

(Why would you consume refined, powdered carbohydrate material and then worry
about its fast digestion time? Doh?)

There are uses for matodextrin: it's useful for quick energy in endurance
events such as marathons. *The various ``power gel'' type products are made of
maltodextrin and water. *It's quite a racket: divide it into tiny packages and
sell it for a grossly inflated price!

I bought a kilogram of maltodextrin about four years ago. I still have most of
it, because I've only used it in a few marathons to make my own power goop.

Why is this stuff marketed at guys who are trying to build muscle? What role
would it play? To gain muscle, you need calories. The stuff has them. That's
it. *The number one reason skinny guys have trouble gaining muscle is that they
don't consume enough calories in relation to their fast metabolisms.

You're best off getting the calories from real food, and forget about the
supplements.


 




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