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Nunya B. wrote:
You are absolutely correct. No one would tell an epileptic that their Tegretol won't help in the long term or an asthmatic to just stop using Albuterol and find another way to deal with the problem. It's just a serious misunderstanding about the nature of illnesses like chronic depression or other mental illnesses. In my previous post I did not mean for her to drop everything merely on what I had to say, but maybe to reconsider why she is taking them or why she is seeking the answer to her problems in a pill form. I think much of the anxiety, depression, and such kinds of prescriptions are way overprescribed these days (pushed on people is more like it)when adopting a healthy lifestyle could do ten times more for them. But thats too hard, and taking pills can be an 'easier way out' for many I think. She is looking for an answer in pill form when she isnt doing anything for herself if you know what I mean. With all the pharmecuetical advertisements these days everyone starts to think they can find happiness in a pill and it just isnt so. Yes I know there are definate mental illnesses which are based on real chemical imbalances etc, but even if I was asthmatic or an epileptic I wouldnt want to just rely on prescriptions for my quality of life, I would look to alternative methods and what I could do for myself too which the OP isnt doing. Its like she has fallen in a hole and doesnt know how to get out. And the prescriptions just give her a shovel to dig herself in deeper. Its a no win situation unless she comes to grip with where her life is going - taking control is the only way to better herself. joni |
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I have been struggling with weight my entire life. I am so sick and
tired of being this way. I am fatter than I ever dreamed I would be. I absolutely despise what I see in the mirror and often wonder why my husband stays with me. I have a lot of health issues. Diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, overactive thyroid, sleep apnea, enlarged heart, fatty liver and I am sure there are more but haven't been figured out yet. Oh yeah, did I mention depression? lol It seems the weight is what has caused every single one of my health issues. I am 36 years and female. I am currently on a ton of meds, but have recently been switched from fluoxetine to wellbutrin. I am on my 3rd month of this switch and I find that the wellbutrin doesn't help at all. I am so miserable and wasn't feeling this way on fluoxetine. My doc says that fluoxetine and phentermine can't be taken together. I finally get the doc to prescribe me this drug and I have to go off the one drug that makes my quality of life feel so much better. Yeah, I have lost 36 lbs in the last 2 months, wonderful. Wish I felt like I have lost weight, I still see the same ugly person in the mirror. Is it even possible to lose a lot of weight and keep it off without surgery? I have lost and gained sooo much weight in my life, over and over again and always gain it back plus some. Is there anyway I can lose weight this time and not gain it back? Am I destined to be bed-bound because I am just to fat to move around? sigh, hope someone has something good to say to me. I don't know much about phentermine, ok, I know nothing about it. What do you think of this drug? I have used phentermine a great deal in my on-going battle with th bulge and I can tell you that it isn't going to do anything for your outlook on life. The main reason I stopped taking it is because it has a lot of negative side effects emotionally speaking. Don't be surprised if you find that it gives you a lot of feelings of anxiety, which I definitely did not like. Sounds to me like you need to do some work not only on your weight but your self esteem. You seem to think there is some connection between your weight and happiness. There isn't. You can be happy at any weight. Until you deal with your self esteem issues, you aren't going to be happy if you weight 100 pounds. I think rather than sinking my money into diet therapy, I would get my head straightened out. Being skinny and miserable isn't any better than being heavy and miserable. Even if you achieve your weight level idea, you won't be able to enjoy it. chula |
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Depression and anxiety disorders are illnesses and may or may not be exacerbated by specific foods. Some dietary fanatics claim their WOE will cure everything under the sun but usually have only a small base (themselves) to prove it. A healthy diet will help you feel better physically and usually mentally and exercise is definitely a mood lifter, but there are definitely mood disorders that require medication. If it's working for you then do what you need to do. This is so true, eating 'healthy' foods & even living a 'healthy' lifestyle doesn't guarantee good health, there are many disfunctions & diseases that are not related to weight, diet or exercise. Eating 'better', losing weight & going to the gym doesn't fix everything. Mood disorders are more likely to be the CAUSE rather than the effect of obesity & unhealthy eating. Many morbidly obese people are happily munching away at McD's without a care in the world whilst many skinny people take a cocktail of anti-depresants & tranquilizers with every healthy meal. You might find over time with a consistent exercise plan and eating in a healthy manner that you will require less medication or none. OTOH there are certainly thin and physically fit people on antidepressants and other medications. Some disorders are more likely to go away just by losing weight than others, like high BP, high cholesterol levels, tiredness & pain caused by excess weight, etc. As for depression, it all depends on whether a person is depressed as a result of his/her weight, the cause may well be totally different. Based on what you've already posted it looks like you have some serious work ahead of you. You were given some good advice in that you really do need to fix your head before, during, and even after weight loss. If not, you're doomed to repeat the cycle of loss and regain forever. It's not easy and not always fun but it really is more worthwhile in the long run. You're taking some steps now and recognizing trouble spots. Are you getting any kind of counseling to go with the meds? It might help if you get the right counselor. Yes, this is the only way to find out what's really bothering you, if it wasn't all about your weight then getting thinner won't be enough. |
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I don't knwo anything about phentermine. But I am very famliar with
depression. I couldn't imagine going on a diet while depressed. Although i did go through a depressive episode where I didnb't feel liek eating and did lose wight. One way or the other, I hope your depression is being treated. Getting that out of the way could definitely help you when working on your weight. Exercise helps both depression and creating a healthier weight. Even such little thigns as taking walks or using the stairs rahtehr then evelvators. All the little things help. |
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Oops, I just discovered that phentermine is an antidepressant. I thought
it was somthing different. That emasn you're being treated for yor depression. I think that is good is news. |
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joni wrote:
In my previous post I did not mean for her to drop everything merely on what I had to say, but maybe to reconsider why she is taking them or why she is seeking the answer to her problems in a pill form. Hi Joni, Evaluation is a good thing. And no medicine will help if the person is not ready to be helped. Regardless of the mediciation or reason for it, if she isn't ready to "try and respond" to whatever kind of thearpy, it won't do any good. I think much of the anxiety, depression, and such kinds of prescriptions are way overprescribed these days (pushed on people is more like it)when adopting a healthy lifestyle could do ten times more for them. I agree with you, that perscriptions (of all kinds, for that matter) are over perscribed. But I read your previous statement (maybe too much of my own experiences into it ), as potentially "stop all meds and see where you are". I'm not saying that's what you said or meant to say. Personally, I struggled for 20+ years to buck it up and not take medication, because "I should be able to do this on my own". Well, maybe others could, but I had a totally miserable existance and I couldn't. It's a miracle that I survived. I just didn't want someone who needed help to not try and get it. thats too hard, and taking pills can be an 'easier way out' for many I think. It's hard with or without the pills. Really looking at yourself is hard and painfull. To really want to change something about yourself that you have blamed for all your troubles for x years is scary, then who/what can you blame when the going gets tough. Without knowing more about the person and condition than from the first post, I'd be afraid too read to much or too little into the OP's problems. With all the pharmecuetical advertisements these days everyone starts to think they can find happiness in a pill and it just isnt so. You've got that right. Truth in advertising??? sheesh Yes I know there are definate mental illnesses which are based on real chemical imbalances etc, but even if I was asthmatic or an epileptic I wouldnt want to just rely on prescriptions for my quality of life, I would look to alternative methods and what I could do for myself too which the OP isnt doing. Its like she has fallen in a hole and doesnt know how to get out. And the prescriptions just give her a shovel to dig herself in deeper. And many for years have hidden in panic, pain, lonliness, fear of being found to have a "mental illness". The public perception of MI is right up there with the nasty looks you get for being obese. It's a stigma, not unlike a scarlet letter that people fear will be waved in their face, till they refuse to even consider they might (I said Might) need help of some kind. While in that all consuming vortex of self-pity, self-loathing, self-abuse, cycle of MIs, it's a little difficult to get out of the box that is your world. Oh, you can look at someone elses box and see what they need, but for the person to see it for themselves takes an introspective analysis that the majority aren't ready to handle....with or without medication. I don't know very many people that could handle analysing theirself, problems, personalities, etc. Who really wants to see what they're really like and then deal with it? Its a no win situation unless she comes to grip with where her life is going - taking control is the only way to better herself. True. That is if taking control is possible at the point where the OP is at. Easily said, extremely difficult to do. Doesn't mean the OP should just give up and say "woe is me. I can't be fixed". Just that it takes a hericalean effort to realize it, then another to even try and do something about it. And there are times, that pulling yourself up by your own boot straps and exercising (yes, that god of weight loss) just isn't the right formula to fix the world/problem. Endorphines are great, but they are not eternal. Okay, I'm going to jump off my soap box and try not to land in a hole now. Sorry, but this is a sensitive topic that print doesn't relate well. Donna K. 398.8/281.8/275 (next short term goal) NWOE began Jan 2003 LC since May 2003 LC and CR since Jan 2005 |
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OMG Kasey! How did you lose all that weight? Was it surgery or just
changing your diet? Wow, that is amazing! I have NO idea why I am over weight, other than I have obviously not been eating and exercising the way I should be. I am not sure if I am over weight because of my depression or depressed because I am over weight. I tend to think my depression causes the weight gain. I have lost a significant amount of weight before and felt like a million bucks with little to no depression at all! But then something major happened in my life and I ended up going backwards and woke up a few years later and wa-la, here I am! Thank you for posting and please tell me if you lose the weight with diet alone? Sherry |
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Joni, but what you don't get is by dropping such medications (for me
anyway) would make it IMPOSSIBLE to adopt a healthy lifestyle because without the medications, I would have no will at all to try to get better. I would become so depressed, like I was before, when I quit taking them. I went YEARS without leaving my house! I am serious! When I finally decided I had to get out of this, I remember creeping out the front door and just wanting to crawl inside myself and hide. I was TERRIFIED of coming into contact with strangers or even people I knew and hadn't seen in a long time. That was 2 years ago and I still struggle with leaving the house, but I do it. And I know that the medication is a major factor in that. Once I got back on Prozac (I had actually taken it many years earlier, before I became house-bound) I started to find courage to do things. Even if it only meant going with my husband to a grocery store. It was like I jumped a thousand hurdles. Man, I remember going into the store and being so lost with those atm/credit machines at the register. I felt like a fish out of water. I have lived in my town for 15 years and when I became house-bound, there was a lot of construction on many main roads, changing the way you traveled and I had NO idea that it was even being done! I remember going with my husband in the car and being totally shocked at the new roads and new turns and new one way streets, etc and he said "Oh, they have been working on this for the last 3 years." I had no idea. Now, I drive around and I am still totally lost on those roads! They confuse me because I never got used to them. Anyway, my point is..... Your suggestion is totally not what could possibly work for me. I would never want to go backwards. I am terrified of it. And you know, you should be more careful in telling people things like "get off your anti=depressants" because there are people that are severly mentally ill (like, I have a sister that is schitzophrenic and she gets off her meds all the time) that would take your words as the gospel and get off their medication and end up killing themself! This is how my sister is. Anyone could convince her to stop taking her meds, anyone. And every damned time she does, she tries to kill herself. So, although you may think you are "helping". You never know who is on the other end and suggesting someone stop taking medication that deal with mental illness is a very bad idea. I think a doctor would know much more than you do as the doctor knows the patient and you are reading someone by a mere few words over the net. |
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And what do you mean by "She is looking for an answer in pill form when
she isnt doing anything for herself if you know what I mean"? How do you know? I have jumped hurdles, thank you very much! I have gone from being house-bound to living in the real world again, I quit smoking 2 years ago. I have lost 36 lbs over hte last few months. I have worked every single day trying to change my entire lifestyle. Please, leave the diagnosing to the professionals. Cuz you don't know what you are talking about! I am glad you have it so together, btw. You must be perfect! I bet you are at the perfect weight and so healthy! Never had a depressing day in your life too! Anyway, it is nice to know there are perfect people like you around, Joni. |
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Thank you. When I posted the OP I was asking about the appetite
supressant my doc put me on, not the anti-depressant. Geez, I would never stop taking the anti-depressant so when Joni comes along and tells me to stop taking them, I am thinking she is an idiot that has no idea what she is talking about (and judging from her second post, I am positive she knows nothing of what she is talking about). I wanted to know about the opinion on the diet pills. I am very very leary of taking medications. It is important to me that they are safe, but in the same breath, I have to weigh out the difference between it being safe and what the pills can help me with. Anyway, yes, I know for sure that if I lose enough weight, I will feel much better. But, meanwhile, I need help. |
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