Update on my weight regain

In the months just before the regain were you still eating Paleo, or had you
added grain and starch based foods back in?


"Ignoramus11139" wrote in message
...
As I mentioned earlier, about a month ago (could be aa little more) I
regained 3-4 lbs, quite suddenly, for no known reason.

I was hoping that I could re-lose that weight by eating low carb,
without expressly trying to "eat less". In the few previous regains of
1-2 lbs, that worked just fine. JC Der Koenig expressed doubt that it
would work.

I must say that JC was correct. I was eating super cleanly, and was
neither gaining nor losing weight, not coming back to 173.

After becoming certain of that, last week I decided to try "eating
less". I skipped breakfast and lunch and ate a good sized meal in the
evening.

That did it and as of today, I was at my desired weight of 173.6
lbs. (the middle number in my weight signature is the average of last
7 weights and is slow to reflect changes).

I will try to lose 1-2 more lbs next week and staying at or below 173
lbs.

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223/175.6/180

Ignoramus8220 wrote:
On Sun, 08 May 2005 14:54:14 GMT, Cubit wrote:

In the months just before the regain were you still eating Paleo, or had you
added grain and starch based foods back in?

The amount of weight you are losing or gaining is very small. It's just
a few extra calories a day. Maybe look at slightly larger portion sizes
or a decrease in your exercise.

I would not think that a single event, like a birthday indulgence would be
the trigger. The clues to the change would be in the regular everyday menu.
IMHO

Adding a few pounds a year is the typical symptom of the modern diet. I was
expecting that eating Paleo would avoid the list of possible causes for that
gain.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

I'm 5' 8" and this weight (we are almost exactly the same weight now) is
obviously too high for me. I'm carrying fat in a paunch and on my upper
arms near my shoulders. I'm thinking I should set a new goal around 150.
I plan to wait until I reach the original goal of 165 before changing my
goal officially. Are you taller, or heavy boned, or very muscular?


"Ignoramus8220" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 08 May 2005 14:54:14 GMT, Cubit wrote:
In the months just before the regain were you still eating Paleo, or had
you
added grain and starch based foods back in?

I was still eating paleo, however I deviated from it by drinking some
wine on my birthday party etc, plus I ate cheese. I may have eaten
something starchy inadvertently, it is possible, but I have no
specific recollections.

It is also possible that my body is adjusting to low carb in some way
and, possibly, I can now gain weight even on this diet. Time will
tell.

i


"Ignoramus11139" wrote in message
...
As I mentioned earlier, about a month ago (could be aa little more) I
regained 3-4 lbs, quite suddenly, for no known reason.

I was hoping that I could re-lose that weight by eating low carb,
without expressly trying to "eat less". In the few previous regains of
1-2 lbs, that worked just fine. JC Der Koenig expressed doubt that it
would work.

I must say that JC was correct. I was eating super cleanly, and was
neither gaining nor losing weight, not coming back to 173.

After becoming certain of that, last week I decided to try "eating
less". I skipped breakfast and lunch and ate a good sized meal in the
evening.

That did it and as of today, I was at my desired weight of 173.6
lbs. (the middle number in my weight signature is the average of last
7 weights and is slow to reflect changes).

I will try to lose 1-2 more lbs next week and staying at or below 173
lbs.





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223/175.6/180

Ignoramus8220 wrote:
Well, I was hoping, rightly or wrongly, that by eating low carb and
with some exercise, I would naturally regulate how much I eat, without
thinking too much or going hungry.

There is no such thing as natural weight regulation, at least for a good
portion of people. Guess which group you are in? Your drive to eat is
omnipresent, encoded in multiple overlapping systems. It doesn't matter
what you eat. Food is survival. Your body wants you to eat. That's how
you survive on the savannha.

So, I am concerned that as my body adjusted to LC, this diet will stop
working as well. Time will tell if that's so. I am very busy with some
projects right now, and I would very much like to be on some sort of
diet that lets me concentrate on something else besides eating. LC was
"it", but now I am beginning to have concerns.

It's a daily struggle. There's no "it." The good news you have been
doing well and can continue to do well. It's just not automatic.

Ignoramus8220 wrote:
: On Sun, 08 May 2005 08:13:34 -0700, Stacey Bender
: wrote:
: Ignoramus8220 wrote:
: On Sun, 08 May 2005 14:54:14 GMT, Cubit wrote:
:
: In the months just before the regain were you still eating Paleo,
: or had you added grain and starch based foods back in?
:
: The amount of weight you are losing or gaining is very small. It's
: just
: a few extra calories a day. Maybe look at slightly larger portion
: sizes
: or a decrease in your exercise.
:
: Well, I was hoping, rightly or wrongly, that by eating low carb and
: with some exercise, I would naturally regulate how much I eat,
: without thinking too much or going hungry.
:

As a former fat person, I just don't think it will ever be that way for you.
Sorry.


: I started eating low carb at normal weight, way after I lost 50
: lbs. The main rationale for going LC was to be able to maintain
: weight
: without being hungry all the time, like I was when I was maintaining
: weight on a general "eat less" diet. That was the hope.

Well, you weren't hungry all the time...were you? It seems you were
successful.

:
: It worked quite beautifully in the first 8 months. I was eating all I
: wanted, and was not gaining. Sometimes I would gain a couple of lbs
: temporarily and they would go away in a couple of weeks. It was a
: fairly carefree existence. Then I gained 3-5 lbs in March, and it
: would not go away until I decided to tough it out and "eat less" for
: one week.

Seems like I recall they came very quickly and, according to this, you lost
them in a week. Not bad if you ask me.

:
: So, I am concerned that as my body adjusted to LC, this diet will
: stop
: working as well. Time will tell if that's so. I am very busy with
: some projects right now, and I would very much like to be on some
: sort of
: diet that lets me concentrate on something else besides eating. LC
: was "it", but now I am beginning to have concerns.

IMO, you're worrying about nothing. Keep doing what you're doing, and if
you pick up a few pounds, restricting eating for a week to settle down.
It's just your way...live it with.

Ignoramus8220 wrote:
: On Sun, 8 May 2005 11:48:41 -0400, Roger Zoul
: wrote:
: Ignoramus8220 wrote:
: : On Sun, 08 May 2005 08:13:34 -0700, Stacey Bender
: : wrote:
: : Ignoramus8220 wrote:
: : On Sun, 08 May 2005 14:54:14 GMT, Cubit wrote:
: :
: : In the months just before the regain were you still eating
: : Paleo,
: : or had you added grain and starch based foods back in?
: :
: : The amount of weight you are losing or gaining is very small.
: : It's
: : just
: : a few extra calories a day. Maybe look at slightly larger
: : portion
: : sizes
: : or a decrease in your exercise.
: :
: : Well, I was hoping, rightly or wrongly, that by eating low carb
: : and
: : with some exercise, I would naturally regulate how much I eat,
: : without thinking too much or going hungry.
: :
:
: As a former fat person, I just don't think it will ever be that
: way for you. Sorry.
:
: I appreciate the comment, but is the above not what low carb diets
: are claiming to accomplish? "Eat LC, do not be hungry and reach your
: ideal weight".

Low carb diets don't claim anything...the people pushing them make the
claims...and they can oversell a thing, as I'm sure you know. But,
specically, I was referring to your comment about "naturally regulate how
much I eat, without thinking too much or going hungry". Why is it that
going hungry sometimes is such a bad thing? And the fact is, some people
just enjoy eating...and that means you're going to have to pay attention if
you don't want to be fat. The process doesn't have to be all that painful.

:
: For me personally, LC worked just like that until approximately
: March. I hope that it will continue to work, although I am now
: doubting it.

I think you're expecting too much, honestly. Surely you don't think you can
eat all the meat and fat you want (assuming you want a lot) and never gain
weight, do you?

:
:
: : I started eating low carb at normal weight, way after I lost 50
: : lbs. The main rationale for going LC was to be able to maintain
: : weight
: : without being hungry all the time, like I was when I was
: : maintaining weight on a general "eat less" diet. That was the
: : hope.
:
: Well, you weren't hungry all the time...were you? It seems you
: were successful.
:
: Well, yes, but I gained 3-4 or so lbs at some point. That's my
: current concern.

You mentioned weight gain before, followed by a loss. How is this really
different?

:
: :
: : It worked quite beautifully in the first 8 months. I was eating
: : all I wanted, and was not gaining. Sometimes I would gain a
: : couple of lbs temporarily and they would go away in a couple of
: : weeks. It was a
: : fairly carefree existence. Then I gained 3-5 lbs in March, and it
: : would not go away until I decided to tough it out and "eat less"
: : for
: : one week.
:
: Seems like I recall they came very quickly and, according to this,
: you lost them in a week. Not bad if you ask me.
:
: Agreed.
:
: :
: : So, I am concerned that as my body adjusted to LC, this diet will
: : stop
: : working as well. Time will tell if that's so. I am very busy with
: : some projects right now, and I would very much like to be on some
: : sort of
: : diet that lets me concentrate on something else besides eating.
: : LC
: : was "it", but now I am beginning to have concerns.
:
: IMO, you're worrying about nothing. Keep doing what you're doing,
: and if you pick up a few pounds, restricting eating for a week to
: settle down. It's just your way...live it with.
:
: That makes full sense to me.
: --
: 223/175.6/180

In article ,
"Cubit" wrote:

I would not think that a single event, like a birthday indulgence would be
the trigger. The clues to the change would be in the regular everyday menu.
IMHO

Adding a few pounds a year is the typical symptom of the modern diet. I was
expecting that eating Paleo would avoid the list of possible causes for that
gain.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

I'm 5' 8" and this weight (we are almost exactly the same weight now) is
obviously too high for me. I'm carrying fat in a paunch and on my upper
arms near my shoulders. I'm thinking I should set a new goal around 150.
I plan to wait until I reach the original goal of 165 before changing my
goal officially. Are you taller, or heavy boned, or very muscular?

I'm 5' 8" also, and am at 171 now. When I started LC 5 years ago (at 248
pounds), I was sure that 175 would be a good weight for me, boy was I
wrong ;-) I've set a new goal of 165, and am getting more convinced
that I'll need to be around 155. Heck, maybe I should just aim for 148
to make it an even 100 pounds of loss. I got down to around 190 pounds
in around a year, then hovered around there and slowly gain 15 or so
pounds through poor eating habits before getting more strict with my
eating habits last July.

Even though the pounds are coming off much more slowly now (I'm
presently losing at around 3 pounds a month) each pound makes a heck of
a larger difference in appearance than it did 50 pounds ago.

--
---
Chris Smolinski
Black Cat Systems
http://www.blackcatsystems.com

Yes. Yes. I quite agree.

"Chris Smolinski" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Cubit" wrote:

I would not think that a single event, like a birthday indulgence would
be
the trigger. The clues to the change would be in the regular everyday
menu.
IMHO

Adding a few pounds a year is the typical symptom of the modern diet. I
was
expecting that eating Paleo would avoid the list of possible causes for
that
gain.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

I'm 5' 8" and this weight (we are almost exactly the same weight now)
is
obviously too high for me. I'm carrying fat in a paunch and on my upper
arms near my shoulders. I'm thinking I should set a new goal around
150.
I plan to wait until I reach the original goal of 165 before changing my
goal officially. Are you taller, or heavy boned, or very muscular?

I'm 5' 8" also, and am at 171 now. When I started LC 5 years ago (at 248
pounds), I was sure that 175 would be a good weight for me, boy was I
wrong ;-) I've set a new goal of 165, and am getting more convinced
that I'll need to be around 155. Heck, maybe I should just aim for 148
to make it an even 100 pounds of loss. I got down to around 190 pounds
in around a year, then hovered around there and slowly gain 15 or so
pounds through poor eating habits before getting more strict with my
eating habits last July.

Even though the pounds are coming off much more slowly now (I'm
presently losing at around 3 pounds a month) each pound makes a heck of
a larger difference in appearance than it did 50 pounds ago.

--
---
Chris Smolinski
Black Cat Systems
http://www.blackcatsystems.com

Quoting Ignoramus8220:
Roger Zoul wrote:
Ignoramus8220 wrote:

: Well, I was hoping, rightly or wrongly, that by eating low carb and
: with some exercise, I would naturally regulate how much I eat,
: without thinking too much or going hungry.

As a former fat person, I just don't think it will ever be that way for you.
Sorry.

I appreciate the comment, but is the above not what low carb diets are
claiming to accomplish? "Eat LC, do not be hungry and reach your ideal
weight".

Oh, I think that's an overly optimistic interpretation of what various
plans are claiming.

For me personally, LC worked just like that until approximately
March. I hope that it will continue to work, although I am now
doubting it.

Like Roger suggested, you'll likely always have to consciously
exercise some sort of control over your intake.

: I started eating low carb at normal weight, way after I lost 50
: lbs. The main rationale for going LC was to be able to maintain
: weight without being hungry all the time, like I was when I was
: maintaining weight on a general "eat less" diet. That was the hope.

Personally, I've adjusted to lowered carb in terms of it controlling
my appetite and this happens to a lot of people (I think I've
mentioned this to you before).

However, I plan on continuing to watch carbs and gluten indefinitely
for health reasons.

Well, you weren't hungry all the time...were you? It seems you were
successful.

Well, yes, but I gained 3-4 or so lbs at some point. That's my current
concern.

I've had to remain vigilant the last few years. In many ways,
maintaining is almost as tough as losing.

I'd recommend that you don't let yourself fluctuate any more than what
you're confident you can easily lose in a week or two. For me, that's
no more than 3 lb. Which is what it sounds like you're doing.

Either that, or relax a bit on weekends and plan it out during the
week.

Stepping up the weight training so that you add more muscle mass might
help as well.

Perdu wrote:
Obese people got obese because they had paid no attention to what they
eat and how much of it. No counting, no responsibility.

They pay a lot of attention to what they eat. That's kind of the point
about food and our body. Food gets our attention.