Back to where I was (and worse)

"Beverly" wrote in message
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On Mar 10, 11:44 pm, "Caleb" wrote:
How nice! Give a parting shot and run?

The words we utter matter and so we should try to be accurate in what
we say.

Why not stay for a bit and straighten me out? Also, why not tell me
where in the literature it says that one should never lose a pound (or
perhaps more) a day?

Yours,

Caleb

I didn't read the literature you're referencing but I don't think it
takes much sense to realize one should never lose a pound (or perhaps
more) a day.

I've listened to your bull**** about your "100 day diet", "Good enough
for long enough" or whatever the latest tag you've put on it for
several years. It hasn't worked for you yet. Oh sure, you lose
weight but you've always gained it back. Don't you think it's about
time to adopt another approach? I don't think anyone who has
repeatedly failed with their own quick loss weight program should be
suggesting it to others. Here are several sites that have information
on the health risks associated with fast weight loss and yo-yo
dieting.

Educate yourself on healthy diet programs.

Yo-Yo Dieting health risks
http://bodyandhealth.canada.com/chan...ion_id =17520



Fast weight loss health risks
http://health.msn.com/guides/weightl...&wa=wsignin1.0

Additional information at National Academy of Sciences, American
College of Sports Medicine and American Dietetic Association mentioned
in this article

More information on slow weightloss
http://win.niddk.nih.gov/publications/health_risks.htm




You go girl. Enough info has been posted on this site to straighten him out
if there wasn't serious blockage between his eyes and his brain.

On Mar 12, 5:20 pm, Karen Officer kquilts
wrote:
On 12 Mar 2007 13:13:12 -0700, in alt.support.diet, "Caleb"



wrote:
Karen --

Super! I also encourage people no matter what method they use to lose
weight. Slow is great! Fast is great! Just check with their doctor or
other health care provider.

I think the last time I lost a lot of weight was about 3 years ago.
I'm very pleased with my progress so far this year.

Good for you for supporting others! Keep it up! And also keep up your
successful way of life!

Yours,

Caleb

I didn't choose to diet slowly, I followed a healthful plan
(weigh****chers) doctor recommended. I didn't starve myself, didn't
even skip meals. I'm a grazer, so I usually eat 5 or 6 times a day.
A diet shouldn't be a punishment, just eating from all the basic food
groups, moderation in mine. The thing is you need to retrain eating
habits for life, and that doesn't get done with these ultra fast
diets. The dieter loses the weight, then quits because it is not a
way to eat for a lifetime, then they gain it all back (plus some) then
do it all over again. That is bad for the system on so many different
levels. I just want to be healthy
Karen


Karen --

Good for you! A lot of people here have lost weight quickly -- I think
Nunya has,.among others, and she continues to keep it off.

Whatever works for people works for them. Pluses and minuses on all
sides of the ledger.

The average number of failed attempts to maintain their weight loss in
SUCCESSFUL weight loss maintainers (on the National Registry) is five
times, according to what I've read. Most people don't lose a heck of a
lot of weight even the first time, so if their weight is unhealthy, I
applaud their taking at least some of it off in any way their medical
provider agrees with.

I don't know if you read the except I posted from the Merck Manua.
Here it is:

"Diet: Low-fat and healthful diets, modest calorie restriction (to
1000 to 1400 kcal/day), and the substitution of some protein for
carbohydrate appear to have the best long-term outcome. Fresh fruits
and vegetables and fiber should be substituted for refined
carbohydrates and processed food, and water for soft drinks or juices.
Foods with a low glycemic index (see Table 1: Nutrition: General
Considerations: Glycemic Index of Some FoodsTables) and marine fish
oils or monounsaturated fats derived from plants (eg, olive oil)
reduce the risk of cardiovascular disorders and diabetes.

"Diets that require atypical eating habits should be avoided. They are
unlikely to be maintained, and weight increases when the patient
resumes previous poor eating habits. Calorie restriction to 1200
kcal/day cannot be sustained, but such diets are sometimes needed to
achieve rapid short-term weight loss (eg, before surgery or for
obstructive sleep apnea). Diets of 800 kcal do not produce greater
weight loss and are less well tolerated."

This is from http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec01/ch00...006-ch006a-648

Yours,

Caleb

On 12 Mar 2007 13:13:12 -0700, in alt.support.diet, "Caleb"
wrote:

Karen --

Super! I also encourage people no matter what method they use to lose
weight. Slow is great! Fast is great! Just check with their doctor or
other health care provider.

I think the last time I lost a lot of weight was about 3 years ago.
I'm very pleased with my progress so far this year.

Good for you for supporting others! Keep it up! And also keep up your
successful way of life!

Yours,

Caleb

I didn't choose to diet slowly, I followed a healthful plan
(weigh****chers) doctor recommended. I didn't starve myself, didn't
even skip meals. I'm a grazer, so I usually eat 5 or 6 times a day.
A diet shouldn't be a punishment, just eating from all the basic food
groups, moderation in mine. The thing is you need to retrain eating
habits for life, and that doesn't get done with these ultra fast
diets. The dieter loses the weight, then quits because it is not a
way to eat for a lifetime, then they gain it all back (plus some) then
do it all over again. That is bad for the system on so many different
levels. I just want to be healthy
Karen

On 12 Mar 2007 13:04:39 -0700, in alt.support.diet, "Beverly"
wrote:


Congratulations Karen!

Now if we could just convince others that losing weight is a lifestyle
change and not just a temporary change. You should come out of
lurkdom more often.

We seem to have somethings in common. It took me almost a year to
lose my 40 pounds. I decided to make the lifestyle change after
watching my mother pass away from health issues linked to obesity.

Beverly

Thanks Beverly. I guess we do have several things in common. My mom
became diabetic, as a result of her weight. She had 2 heart attacks,
and a couple of small strokes, then a major stroke which kept her
paralysed for the last 3 years of her life. She was only 69 when she
passed. That's still young. I don't want that kind of fate for
myself, so am doing what I can to try to avoid it. Even exercise,
which is my weak point. I started being more diligent about that when
doc said I have the osteoporosis. I take the meds for it and eat all
the high calcium foods too. I guess what I really want out of all of
this is a quality of life in my senior years. I'm 49 right now.
Karen

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message
. ..
Caleb wrote:

...gratuitously insulting me in the process.

TRIM YOUR ****ING POSTS.

Sorry, Queen, that was probably my fault. I should have trimmed my response
to him.

"Caleb" wrote in message
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On Mar 11, 11:51 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message

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On Mar 11, 7:47 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message

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Do you have other examples of my being rude to others? I'd be
interested in instances in which I was rude without provocation.

Actually, Caleb, your conversation with Neil concerned me, since I know
he
was responding out of concern for BTM. Yes, many do lose weight on very
low
calorie diets. But many also gain it back again. You posted the fact
that
most people lose weight 5 times before they lose it permanently. I'm
sure I
was just as concerned with BTM's possible health risks at cutting
suddenly
back to 1500 calories per day as Neil was. That's the issue he might
have
been looking ofr you to address. But you seem to want him to back down
on
the issue of his particular response if someone tells him they have been
losing a pound a day. His reaction to that isn't really an issue at all,
is
it? BTM's health is what is important.

Teachrmama -- I sure agree that BTM's health is most important. But
when I offered mainstream (and supportive, I though) suggestions, Neil
jumped on them with both boots, gratuitously insulting me in the
process.

Well, Caleb, I'm not going to argue with you about it. My perspective on
weight loss this time around has been my health--and I have chosen not to
adopt strategies that might damage my health. I hope BTM adopts a similar
program, because health is just to precious to ignore. And, yes, I know
that getting the weight off ameliorates a variety of health issues--but my
bottom line has been "Can I live with this for the rest of my life?" My
opinion may differ. But I do know that my health and fitness are now
reflecting the wisdom of my choice 10 months from that terrible day when I
found out how vulnerable I really was. I sincerely hope that the
maintenance plan you select will allow you to maintain your loss.

teachrmama wrote:

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote:
Caleb wrote:

...gratuitously insulting me in the process.

TRIM YOUR ****ING POSTS.

Sorry, Queen, that was probably my fault. I should have trimmed my response
to him.

It's not your fault. He's been on usenet for years; he knows better.

"Caleb" wrote in message
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Good for you! A lot of people here have lost weight quickly -- I think
Nunya has,.among others, and she continues to keep it off.

Please do NOT EVER use me as an example to support your unhealthy and
bizzare notions about weight loss again. We do not agree about much of
anything. I lost weight quickly and then started putting it back on quickly.
If I hadn't adopted a LIFELONG program (in my case Weight Watchers), I would
have been like you and put it all back on. I view my VLCD as a ONE TIME
experience as an alternative to surgery, not an annual ritual. As I've said
before - hope is not a maintenance plan.

If anything, your repeated attempts to baffle with bs posts are one of the
reasons I've kept my reading of this group to a minimum lately.
--
the volleyballchick

In article ,
Karen Officer wrote:

I'm just a lurker here (have been here for two years), but I'm
confused....If the 100 day diet is so successful why do you have to
keep repeating year after year? Wouldn't it be better to learn to eat
healthfully for life and not need to keep repeating this "diet"? I
know I don't want to gain the weight back. I know that is easier said
than done, but I personally want to not keep repeating my mistakes in
regards to weight issues.

I watched my mother die from health issues directly caused by excess
weight....I am at goal now any have been for almost a year
(anniversary of that April 4) I did lose very slowly. It took me 2
years to lost 45 pounds due to health problems and stress, but I
didn't get discouraged. Not everyone gives up when the loss is slower
than we would like. The people in this group are very supportive and
helpful (even just reading their posts)

Karen (back to my quiet little corner of the world)

NIce post, Karen. Good luck to you.

Amy

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"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message
...
The Historian wrote:

Neil's excellent decision was to stop posting on asd because the group
was overrun with fat-acceptance flames, alternative medicine cranks
who think fat people are sick and need to read their 'wisdom', and
clueless people like you. Please don't draft me into your 'cause',
Caleb.

It's just a phase. The group will survive. Don't be a total stranger!


I've also discovered that a decent kill-file does a nice job.
--
the volleyballchick