Back to where I was (and worse)

On Mar 13, 1:02 pm, "Nunya B." wrote:
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in messagenews:1hur5ut.117zq9r1tr50keN%dhrravr@ohatzh apu.bet...

The Historian wrote:

Neil's excellent decision was to stop posting on asd because the group
was overrun with fat-acceptance flames, alternative medicine cranks
who think fat people are sick and need to read their 'wisdom', and
clueless people like you. Please don't draft me into your 'cause',
Caleb.

It's just a phase. The group will survive. Don't be a total stranger!

I've also discovered that a decent kill-file does a nice job.
--
the volleyballchick


I use filters at home but since I'm limited to Google at work I see
everything

"Beverly" wrote in message
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On Mar 13, 1:02 pm, "Nunya B." wrote:
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in
messagenews:1hur5ut.117zq9r1tr50keN%dhrravr@ohatzh apu.bet...

The Historian wrote:

Neil's excellent decision was to stop posting on asd because the group
was overrun with fat-acceptance flames, alternative medicine cranks
who think fat people are sick and need to read their 'wisdom', and
clueless people like you. Please don't draft me into your 'cause',
Caleb.

It's just a phase. The group will survive. Don't be a total stranger!

I've also discovered that a decent kill-file does a nice job.
--
the volleyballchick


I use filters at home but since I'm limited to Google at work I see
everything


I had unsubscribed but decided that trolls and fools are better ignored. If
I use Google at all I simply skip over anything from certain posters.
--
the volleyballchick

"Karen Officer" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:52:27 -0500, in alt.support.diet, "Nunya B."
wrote:

"Caleb" wrote in message
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Good for you! A lot of people here have lost weight quickly -- I think
Nunya has,.among others, and she continues to keep it off.

Please do NOT EVER use me as an example to support your unhealthy and
bizzare notions about weight loss again. We do not agree about much of
anything. I lost weight quickly and then started putting it back on
quickly.
If I hadn't adopted a LIFELONG program (in my case Weight Watchers), I
would
have been like you and put it all back on. I view my VLCD as a ONE TIME
experience as an alternative to surgery, not an annual ritual. As I've
said
before - hope is not a maintenance plan.

If anything, your repeated attempts to baffle with bs posts are one of the
reasons I've kept my reading of this group to a minimum lately.

Thank you Nunya. I wondered about that when I read his post, because
it just didn't sound right to me. Like you, I don't want this to be
an annual thing. I did the Weight Watchers program, and it worked
very well for me.
Karen



It's a great and sustainable plan. You sound like you're doing very well
with it too!
--
the volleyballchick

On Mar 13, 3:02 pm, Karen Officer kquilts
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:52:27 -0500, in alt.support.diet, "Nunya B."





wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message
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Good for you! A lot of people here have lost weight quickly -- I think
Nunya has,.among others, and she continues to keep it off.

Please do NOT EVER use me as an example to support your unhealthy and
bizzare notions about weight loss again. We do not agree about much of
anything. I lost weight quickly and then started putting it back on quickly.
If I hadn't adopted a LIFELONG program (in my case Weight Watchers), I would
have been like you and put it all back on. I view my VLCD as a ONE TIME
experience as an alternative to surgery, not an annual ritual. As I've said
before - hope is not a maintenance plan.

If anything, your repeated attempts to baffle with bs posts are one of the
reasons I've kept my reading of this group to a minimum lately.

Thank you Nunya. I wondered about that when I read his post, because
it just didn't sound right to me. Like you, I don't want this to be
an annual thing. I did the Weight Watchers program, and it worked
very well for me.
Karen- Hide quoted text -

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I also did the WW program to lose weight. I've been a lifetime member
since 1984. I gained weight in '96 when I quit smoking and returned
to WW again. I don't attend meetings currently but many of the
lessons learned have helped me maintain at or near my goal weight.

Beverly

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:52:27 -0500, in alt.support.diet, "Nunya B."
wrote:

"Caleb" wrote in message
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Good for you! A lot of people here have lost weight quickly -- I think
Nunya has,.among others, and she continues to keep it off.

Please do NOT EVER use me as an example to support your unhealthy and
bizzare notions about weight loss again. We do not agree about much of
anything. I lost weight quickly and then started putting it back on quickly.
If I hadn't adopted a LIFELONG program (in my case Weight Watchers), I would
have been like you and put it all back on. I view my VLCD as a ONE TIME
experience as an alternative to surgery, not an annual ritual. As I've said
before - hope is not a maintenance plan.

If anything, your repeated attempts to baffle with bs posts are one of the
reasons I've kept my reading of this group to a minimum lately.

Thank you Nunya. I wondered about that when I read his post, because
it just didn't sound right to me. Like you, I don't want this to be
an annual thing. I did the Weight Watchers program, and it worked
very well for me.
Karen

Karen Officer wrote:
On 12 Mar 2007 13:04:39 -0700, in alt.support.diet, "Beverly"
wrote:


Congratulations Karen!

Now if we could just convince others that losing weight is a lifestyle
change and not just a temporary change. You should come out of
lurkdom more often.

We seem to have somethings in common. It took me almost a year to
lose my 40 pounds. I decided to make the lifestyle change after
watching my mother pass away from health issues linked to obesity.

Beverly

Thanks Beverly. I guess we do have several things in common. My mom
became diabetic, as a result of her weight. She had 2 heart attacks,
and a couple of small strokes, then a major stroke which kept her
paralysed for the last 3 years of her life. She was only 69 when she
passed. That's still young. I don't want that kind of fate for
myself, so am doing what I can to try to avoid it. Even exercise,
which is my weak point. I started being more diligent about that when
doc said I have the osteoporosis. I take the meds for it and eat all
the high calcium foods too. I guess what I really want out of all of
this is a quality of life in my senior years. I'm 49 right now.
Karen

I made my lifestyle change after my mother had open heart surgery and was
diagnosed with cancer just a few months later. She was 61 when she passed
away in '84.

What medication do you take for the osteoporosis? I was diagnosed with
osteopenia a few years ago. I started on Evista but my doctor changed me to
Actonel a couple years ago. My latest bone scan indicates the hip and spine
areas have improved but there hasn't been any change in the wrist area. I
do a lot of cycling and that might have helped the hip and spine. Guess I
should do more weight lifting

Beverly

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:41:13 -0500, in alt.support.diet, "Beverly"
wrote:

I made my lifestyle change after my mother had open heart surgery and was
diagnosed with cancer just a few months later. She was 61 when she passed
away in '84.

What medication do you take for the osteoporosis? I was diagnosed with
osteopenia a few years ago. I started on Evista but my doctor changed me to
Actonel a couple years ago. My latest bone scan indicates the hip and spine
areas have improved but there hasn't been any change in the wrist area. I
do a lot of cycling and that might have helped the hip and spine. Guess I
should do more weight lifting

Beverly


I'm sorry about your mom. It does kind of give us a "wake up call"
about the weight though. Right now I'm taking Fosamax once a week. I
don't get another bone scan until October 2008. I'm starting to feel
some of the side effects of the medicine though so I need to talk to
my doc about that. It's great that you are showing improvement.
Karen

On Mar 12, 7:43 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message

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On Mar 11, 11:51 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message

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On Mar 11, 7:47 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message

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Do you have other examples of my being rude to others? I'd be
interested in instances in which I was rude without provocation.

Actually, Caleb, your conversation with Neil concerned me, since I know
he
was responding out of concern for BTM. Yes, many do lose weight on very
low
calorie diets. But many also gain it back again. You posted the fact
that
most people lose weight 5 times before they lose it permanently. I'm
sure I
was just as concerned with BTM's possible health risks at cutting
suddenly
back to 1500 calories per day as Neil was. That's the issue he might
have
been looking ofr you to address. But you seem to want him to back down
on
the issue of his particular response if someone tells him they have been
losing a pound a day. His reaction to that isn't really an issue at all,
is
it? BTM's health is what is important.

Teachrmama -- I sure agree that BTM's health is most important. But
when I offered mainstream (and supportive, I though) suggestions, Neil
jumped on them with both boots, gratuitously insulting me in the
process.

Well, Caleb, I'm not going to argue with you about it. My perspective on
weight loss this time around has been my health--and I have chosen not to
adopt strategies that might damage my health. I hope BTM adopts a similar
program, because health is just to precious to ignore. And, yes, I know
that getting the weight off ameliorates a variety of health issues--but my
bottom line has been "Can I live with this for the rest of my life?" My
opinion may differ. But I do know that my health and fitness are now
reflecting the wisdom of my choice 10 months from that terrible day when I
found out how vulnerable I really was. I sincerely hope that the
maintenance plan you select will allow you to maintain your loss.


Teachrmama --

I hope it does but I'm not about to drive off a cliff if it doesn't.
As you know there are absolutely no guarantees in life and there are
many, many roads that can lead to a positive outcome -- or even to
disastrous outcomes. (One can overdo exercise and seriously hurt
oneself -- not do enough weight-bearing exercises and increase
osteoporosis, etc., etc.)

My progress and methods please my doctor greatly and I intend to
continue to employ them.

It is remarkable to me, though, that common sense calorie guidelines
-- such as those outlined in the Merck Manual -- should engender such
hostility from some people on this list!

However, it is true what Lincoln said: "If I am right, then I am
right. And if I am wrong, then a thousand angels breathing in my year,
'You are right!' will not make it so."

For a lot of people, the Merck Manual guidelines -- and the ones I am
using -- ARE right!

Keep up your good work!

Yours,

Caleb

On Mar 13, 5:52 am, "Nunya B." wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message

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Good for you! A lot of people here have lost weight quickly -- I think
Nunya has,.among others, and she continues to keep it off.

Please do NOT EVER use me as an example to support your unhealthy and
bizzare notions about weight loss again. We do not agree about much of
anything. I lost weight quickly and then started putting it back on quickly.
If I hadn't adopted a LIFELONG program (in my case Weight Watchers), I would
have been like you and put it all back on. I view my VLCD as a ONE TIME
experience as an alternative to surgery, not an annual ritual. As I've said
before - hope is not a maintenance plan.

If anything, your repeated attempts to baffle with bs posts are one of the
reasons I've kept my reading of this group to a minimum lately.
--
the volleyballchick


Nunya -- Your history is as I've stated it, though, although I didn't
know you joined Weight Watchers.

"attempts to baffle with bs posts"? I don't think I've posted anything
here that was "bs."

Yours,

Caleb

Nunya B. wrote:

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote:
The Historian wrote:

Neil's excellent decision was to stop posting on asd because the group
was overrun with fat-acceptance flames, alternative medicine cranks
who think fat people are sick and need to read their 'wisdom', and
clueless people like you. Please don't draft me into your 'cause',
Caleb.

It's just a phase. The group will survive. Don't be a total stranger!


I've also discovered that a decent kill-file does a nice job.

If there was more traffic in the group I probably would killfile him.
But it's dead enough right now that he's easy to just mark read most of
the time.