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Old July 31st, 2012, 07:22 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Dogman
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http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/07/...ruth/#comments

"His gastroenterologist (and probably several other doctors) failed to
tell him that his digestive problem might be due to eating the wrong
foods. It is as if an astronomer fails to understand — or at least
tell his students — that the earth is round.

"It is equally interesting that someone smart enough to write for the
New York Times fails to figure this out for himself. How strange that
a food writer would not connect food and health — someone else had to
draw his attention to the possibility. Although Bittman praises Dr.
Baker, you are not going to figure out what foods are bad by adding
things, such as licorice pills, to your diet. Dr. Baker failed to
understand this obvious point, which Bittman still fails to see,
apparently. Bittman should be utterly astonished by this mountain of
avoiding the obvious, including his own."

Hmmmnnn. Maybe people like Dr. Baker, Mr. Bittman, and our own little
Trader Boy (aka "The Pusher Man"), are more concerned with how their
DRUG stock portfolios are doing, than your health?

Have a health problem? Look to your diet first; then, and only then,
should you consider a drug. Humans survived for millions of years with
nary a scientist or physician in sight.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
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Old July 31st, 2012, 08:17 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Dogman wrote:

http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/07/...ruth/#comments

"His gastroenterologist (and probably several other doctors) failed to
tell him that his digestive problem might be due to eating the wrong
foods. It is as if an astronomer fails to understand — or at least
tell his students — that the earth is round.

"It is equally interesting that someone smart enough to write for the
New York Times fails to figure this out for himself. How strange that
a food writer would not connect food and health — someone else had to
draw his attention to the possibility. Although Bittman praises Dr.
Baker, you are not going to figure out what foods are bad by adding
things, such as licorice pills, to your diet. Dr. Baker failed to
understand this obvious point, which Bittman still fails to see,
apparently. Bittman should be utterly astonished by this mountain of
avoiding the obvious, including his own."

Hmmmnnn. Maybe people like Dr. Baker, Mr. Bittman, and our own little
Trader Boy (aka "The Pusher Man"), are more concerned with how their
DRUG stock portfolios are doing, than your health?


That's how the allopathic medicine model works. Address issues with
drugs and surgery. It's the most successful medicne model ever by a
huge margin so it's tught almost to exclusion.

We have run up against the limits of the allopathic model. Those of us
on this newsgroup and others know that, not often in these exact terms.

Have a health problem? Look to your diet first; then, and only then,
should you consider a drug. Humans survived for millions of years with
nary a scientist or physician in sight.


Given the success of the allopathic approach it makes sense to try it
first. It also makes sense to know it's limits, like dietary causation.
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Old July 31st, 2012, 09:42 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:17:28 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
wrote:

[...]
Have a health problem? Look to your diet first; then, and only then,
should you consider a drug. Humans survived for millions of years with
nary a scientist or physician in sight.


Given the success of the allopathic approach it makes sense to try it
first. It also makes sense to know it's limits, like dietary causation.


As Dirty Harry used to say, "A man's gotta know his limitations."

While it make take some time, some critical thinking (that leaves you
out, huh, Trader Boy), and some self-experimentation to figure out how
one's diet may be affecting one's health, for better or worse, failure
to do so can easily result in needless disease and suffering, and even
your premature DEATH.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
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Old August 2nd, 2012, 02:34 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Jul 31, 4:42*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:17:28 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger

wrote:

[...]

Have a health problem? Look to your diet first; then, and only then,
should you consider a drug. Humans survived for millions of years with
nary a scientist or physician in sight.


Given the success of the allopathic approach it makes sense to try it
first. *It also makes sense to know it's limits, like dietary causation.

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Old August 3rd, 2012, 03:11 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Aug 2, 3:08*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 06:34:51 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:

[...]

While it make take some time, some critical thinking (that leaves you
out, huh, Trader Boy), and some self-experimentation to figure out how
one's diet may be affecting one's health, for better or worse, failure
to do so can easily result in needless disease and suffering, and even
your premature DEATH.

If you knew your limitation Dogman, you wouldn't be posting anything
to do with medicine.


Dogman's beliefs:


You bet! *Thanks for the credit!

Mostly, yes. Which is why it's almost impossible to find the *actual*
virus in any person with AIDS.


A good example of a huge big denialist lie.


In probably 99.999% of AIDS cases, the actual virus is never even
looked for, much less found. *Only the *antibodies* are found!


Yes indeed. Just like in 99.999% of hepatitis cases the
actual virus is never looked for. So, to believe your nonsense,
that disease is also not caused by the hepatitis virus. This
nonsense may fool some people, who are clueless, which
is the denialist objective, but not here, not today.
The truth is antibody testing is a very routine way to diagnose
many diseases and that it is used in diagnosing HIV infection
is nothing unusual. Anyone with doubts can just google
"antibody testing", "antibody testing hepatitis", "antibody
testing syphilis", etc

As for looking for the actual virus, in the case of AIDS,
we do have tests that measure the actual amount of
virus in the patients body. And we've seen a direct
and consistent correlation. The higher the viral load, the
more advanced the AIDS is, ie the worse the patient is
doing. Patients with very low or unmeasurable levels
of the virus, eg those on HIV drug therapy, are healthy.

That is the real science. So, stop with the lies and
pretending anything you spew is grounded in science.






AIDS is caused by poor diet, not enough sleep,
recreational drug use, or too much sex

This is something that anyone can test on him/herself.

Any takers?



That exact experiment has been performed for 30
years and continues to be performed today. We
have study after study of recreational drug users,
prostitutes, gay men, hemophiliacs, blood
transfusion recipients. And all say exactly the
same thing. Absent HIV infection people in those
groups do not get AIDS despite having exactly
the same set of risk factors.

The only problem is the denialists just refuse to
acknowledge that those studies even exist.
Here one more time is a link to NIH where they list
study after study with references so you can go
LOOK AT THE ACTUAL STUDY.

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/topics/hiva...ausesaids.aspx

And of course, the denialists have no studies of their own
to support their idiotic "lack of sleep and nutrition causes
AIDS" theories.
Where is that study? Crickets......


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Old August 3rd, 2012, 04:02 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:11:46 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

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Mostly, yes. Which is why it's almost impossible to find the *actual*
virus in any person with AIDS.


A good example of a huge big denialist lie.


In probably 99.999% of AIDS cases, the actual virus is never even
looked for, much less found. *Only the *antibodies* are found!


Yes indeed. Just like in 99.999% of hepatitis cases the
actual virus is never looked for.


Nor is it ever found. Very similar to HIV, HCV is probably a
"passenger" virus, that rears it's ugly head only after a certain
amount of damage has been done to the liver, from abusing drugs,
alcohol, etc.

http://www.healtoronto.com/hepc.html

As for looking for the actual virus, in the case of AIDS,
we do have tests that measure the actual amount of
virus in the patients body.


No, we do not. But most importantly, they're extremely rarely used
anyway, relying instead on antibody tests and clinical observations.

We're killing all these people simply because of antibody tests!

AIDS is caused by poor diet, not enough sleep,
recreational drug use, or too much sex

This is something that anyone can test on him/herself.

Any takers?


That exact experiment has been performed for 30
years and continues to be performed today.


Yes, people continue to live the drug-abusive lifestyle, have
promiscuous male sex with hundreds of partners a month, take AIDS
drugs, etc., and they continue to die. Some "experiment," eh?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and
expecting different results.

We have study after study of recreational drug users,
prostitutes, gay men, hemophiliacs, blood
transfusion recipients. And all say exactly the
same thing. Absent HIV infection people in those
groups do not get AIDS despite having exactly
the same set of risk factors.


The vast majority of smokers never get lung cancer. Thus, some people
who live this lifestyle can survive longer than others can. But if
they live it long enough, burning the candle at both ends, etc., they
will eventually destroy their immune systems -- and die. Either from
their lifestyle, lack of nutrition, or from being given AIDS drugs.

You abuse your immune system at your own risk.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
 




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