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In article , Chupacabra wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:33:00 GMT, Doug Freese wrote: Lyle McDonald wrote: this depends on a host of factors such as duration/intensity length of adaptation Quite true. your argument is simplistic at best. You're using fairly active individuals to your average obese person. Of course I am because exercise MUST be used in tandem with food to control weight. Those that try to control their weight by food alone have at best short term results. Bull****. Those that try to control their weight by food alone just fine if they have any willpower. "If they have any willpower" is the bit that gets most of them (-; The ideal weight loss/maintenance program shouldn't demand enormous amounts of willpower. It's still a calorie game. If you walk 30 minutes and average 15 mph you are burning off roughly 200 calories. That walker must have incredibly long legs. I think he meant 15 minutes per mile. If you can hold 15mph for 4 minutes, you're a 4-minute miler. Cheers, -- Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ |
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In article , rosie wrote:
If you walk 30 minutes and average 15 mph walking? I think he meant 15 minutes per mile or 4 mph -- Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ |
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The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote in message
Anglea Woollcombe wrote: I have the atkins book and was thinking about giving it a try. I have read it and he does have some good ideas and points in it. Don't let any one who has been on the diet or read his book tell u that it no good there a support gorup u can check out to more advice here it is alt.support.diet. low-carb alot of the people there are on the diet and have lost alot of weight and can give u advice on it. hope this helps this is *super* advice coming from someone who couldn't manage to follow atkins for more than a day or two and who cried like a baby when the asdl-c meanyheads told her to clean up her spelling. And she top-posts. -- "Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like ****ting in your pants because that's where your asshole happened to be." Andreas Prilop |
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:55:19 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
wrote: In article , Chupacabra wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:33:00 GMT, Doug Freese wrote: Lyle McDonald wrote: this depends on a host of factors such as duration/intensity length of adaptation Quite true. your argument is simplistic at best. You're using fairly active individuals to your average obese person. Of course I am because exercise MUST be used in tandem with food to control weight. Those that try to control their weight by food alone have at best short term results. Bull****. Those that try to control their weight by food alone just fine if they have any willpower. "If they have any willpower" is the bit that gets most of them (-; The ideal weight loss/maintenance program shouldn't demand enormous amounts of willpower. Understood, but nor does it demand exercise per se And IMO it takes just as much willpower for most people to stick to a decent exercise regimen ("It's cold! It's raining! I'm tired! I'm busy!" et cetera ad infinitum) than it does to make a few dietary changes. Personally I love working out and hate dieting so it's the damned cookies that always get to me. Curse their tempting sweetness. It's still a calorie game. If you walk 30 minutes and average 15 mph you are burning off roughly 200 calories. That walker must have incredibly long legs. I think he meant 15 minutes per mile. If you can hold 15mph for 4 minutes, you're a 4-minute miler. Again, understood, but I would hate to pass up an opportunity to make a snarky comment. Just wouldn't do! Cheers, |
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"rosie" caght this one If you walk 30 minutes and average 15 mph walking? Only if you have very, very long legs!! |
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On 12/17/2003 9:55 AM, Donovan Rebbechi wrote: "If they have any willpower" is the bit that gets most of them (-; The ideal weight loss/maintenance program shouldn't demand enormous amounts of willpower. I don't really agree that it is a willpower issue. I think it's more of a paying attention issue. No matter what plan you are following, you need to pay attention to what you are eating and how much you eat (portion control). Paying attention might mean keeping track of how many carbohydrate grams that you consume or calories or whatever your plan calls for. I think that paying attention is not willpower, it's more habit. -- jmk in NC |
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DRS wrote:
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote in message Anglea Woollcombe wrote: I have the atkins book and was thinking about giving it a try. I have read it and he does have some good ideas and points in it. Don't let any one who has been on the diet or read his book tell u that it no good there a support gorup u can check out to more advice here it is alt.support.diet. low-carb alot of the people there are on the diet and have lost alot of weight and can give u advice on it. hope this helps this is *super* advice coming from someone who couldn't manage to follow atkins for more than a day or two and who cried like a baby when the asdl-c meanyheads told her to clean up her spelling. And she top-posts. of course she does! she's a real peach. |
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Doug Freese wrote:
your argument is simplistic at best. You're using fairly active individuals to your average obese person. Of course I am because exercise MUST be used in tandem with food to control weight. Err, no. People lose weight and maintain that loss without exercise all the time. Exercise is beneficial but it is by no means REQUIRED. In any event, you managed to avoid my question in the first place: Let's say someone is using brisk walking as their primary exercise (not uncommon). HOw many carbs do they NEED to sustain that? True they're active but they did this knowing they needed take some action which is the first step. This in not unlike AA where you must admit you are an alcoholic before any corrective action can happen. When people like tcomeau suggests stagnation and Atkins, I find it very poor if not dangerous advice. It's a form of denial. tcomeau is a moron. You're not debating with him, yo'ure debating with me. So spare me the non-sequiturs. Forget about runners (or athletes of any color), what about the average person who may be exercising not at all or only minimal amounts (either because they are unwilling, or because they are too heavy)? It's impossible to maintain weight without exercise Bull****. How many carbs do they need on a daily basis to sustain that? It's still a calorie game. If you walk 30 minutes and average 15 mph you are burning off roughly 200 calories. Now 200 is better than zero but a cookie or two and you have broke even or possibly lost ground. One needs to work up to 45 or an hour a day AND take some necessary steps to eliminate some calories. I'm not suggesting elimination of fat but to cut it DOWN to maybe 30%. If your also health conscious and not just weight conscious then can the bad fats. Simple carbs is a good place to start, with bad fat a good second choice. Are you ever going to answer my actual question? How many carbs does someone NEED (i.e. in a biological/physiological sense) to support the above type of training volume/intensity. It's not so much a diet or exercise change but a lifestyle change that includes diet and exercise. Once you adapt to an active lifestyle you can then play with carb/pro/fat ratio. Even as an exerciser one still has to be careful of what they eat. I can exercise enough to stay thin and live on pure simple carbs. This makes me thin but not necessarily healthy. blah, blah, blah. Thanks for the essay, now answer my actual question. Lyle |
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tcomeau wrote:
If one requires X number of calories per day and one deliberately restricts ones consumption to less than this amount then one is consuming less nutrients and energy than is required by the body. If one requires X calories per day /for what/? For optimal function? For minimal [healthy] function? To maintain weight? These will all be at different points. -Adam |
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