Struggling :(

"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message
...
Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for
listening.........


You haven't mentioned exercising at all. Do you at least get out and walk a
mile a day or more?

LW
Start - 7/5 - 170lbs
Today - 162½ lbs
Goal - 130lbs
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Doug Lerner" wrote in message
...



On 7/19/06 4:54 PM, in article
, "Kate Dicey"
wrote:

You should allow yourself a weekend off now and again

I still come down on the side of NEVER taking a day off no matter what the
reason. To me it is like telling an alcoholic to allow him or herself a
weekend off now and again. I think the same kind of mental issues apply.


I agree. This also applies to smokers. There is no way I could ever smoke
just one cigarette or smoke for a weekend and stop on Monday morning.

LW
Start - 7/5 - 170lbs
Today - 162½ lbs
Goal - 130lbs
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work -
heading
to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes
on
and on............hohum!!!! sigh

*snip*



Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for
listening.........

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs


I wish I had something inspiring to say. I haven't posted in a while as I've
struggled a lot myself for the past 2-3 months. I really struggle with
fitting in exercise and staying away from stress/depression eating. All I
can say is that you are definitely not alone. Oh and think about what
fabulous progress you've made so far!!! I hope that helps some :-)

--

Tanukiki (mom of 2 wonderful boys)

Pre-baby #2 weight 239 (in 2004)
Started WW 01/21/06
Reached 10% 03/18/06
205.4/179.4/150

--
Leader of the Cult of Worshippers of BiPolar Long-Haired Sexy Anime Guys
with Swords

I think the difference between what you and I are saying *might* be a matter
of our definitions, to a certain point anyway...

My own plan (and WW for that matter) has "built in flexibility". So it is
very easy to have a very large, extravagant meal from time to time. You can
blow all your free points in one evening if you want to, right?

What I am saying is that it is unwise to go beyond that. And maybe we do
disagree here.

I think your lifetime plan needs the flexibility to splurge built-in. Weight
Watchers has free points. I have my bonus points. I strongly believe,
however, it is dangerous to gorge yourself without limit beyond your plan. I
think you should always remain on your plan - NO MATTER WHAT.

At least I know that is true for myself. I know I can't "temporarily go off
plan" and then easily get on the wagon again. There would be too much of a
temptation to extend it "for just one more day". And we all know what that
leads too.

Yes, we have to be flexible and have a program we can live with forever. But
we also have to accept reality and recognize what food means to people (like
me) who had become morbidly obese due to our food additions.

doug



On 7/19/06 11:34 PM, in article
, "Willow Herself"
wrote:

I disagree Doug, I would not take a whole weekend off, but I do take a meal
off every now and then. It has never tripped me up plan wise, on the
contrary it makes me feel like I'm doing the right thing.

To me this is not a diet,but a lifestyle, that implies flexibility,
enjoyment and occasionnal treats. Over all that, taking a meal off and
getting right back on plan has taught me that stepping aside isn't the end
of thing since I am fully able to get right back to my plan the moment I
decide to.

Will~
"Doug Lerner" wrote in message
...



On 7/19/06 4:54 PM, in article
, "Kate Dicey"
wrote:

You should allow yourself a weekend off now and again

I still come down on the side of NEVER taking a day off no matter what the
reason. To me it is like telling an alcoholic to allow him or herself a
weekend off now and again. I think the same kind of mental issues apply.

doug

Thanks Tanukiki..........I really appreciate your post. I hope you are
winning your battle better than me. Hang in there !!

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"tanukiki" wrote in message
news:5Jxvg.4720$RV.3506@trnddc08...
"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work -
heading
to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes
on
and on............hohum!!!! sigh

*snip*



Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for
listening.........

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs


I wish I had something inspiring to say. I haven't posted in a while as I've
struggled a lot myself for the past 2-3 months. I really struggle with
fitting in exercise and staying away from stress/depression eating. All I
can say is that you are definitely not alone. Oh and think about what
fabulous progress you've made so far!!! I hope that helps some :-)

--

Tanukiki (mom of 2 wonderful boys)

Pre-baby #2 weight 239 (in 2004)
Started WW 01/21/06
Reached 10% 03/18/06
205.4/179.4/150

--
Leader of the Cult of Worshippers of BiPolar Long-Haired Sexy Anime Guys
with Swords

Hi LW........I do exercise 5 times a week. If you google some of my
original posts to this group, you will see that when I started WW back in
June 2005, I couldn't even stand in line for my WI due to severe back pain.
Any time I went shopping, I had to use and ECV because I couldn't even walk
to do groceries. In January, after losing 50 lbs, I finally felt ready
enough to join a local fitness club with my son. I've since built up to 5
times a week pushing heavy freeweights and walking on the treadmill from 5
minutes to 45 minutes. YES, exercise, walking, whatever is really needed to
help get fit, but it's not a requirement to lose weight and it most
certainly doesn't prevent lapses like the one I had........

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
. com...

"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message
...
Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for
listening.........


You haven't mentioned exercising at all. Do you at least get out and walk a
mile a day or more?

LW
Start - 7/5 - 170lbs
Today - 162½ lbs
Goal - 130lbs
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Lesanne! Thanks so much for your wonderful reply! I think you are right!~ I knew this was going to happed as well, and unfortunately, my plan was to just let it happed, get it out of my system, and get right back OP......I must admit that it's been harder than I thought, but I can honestly say, that with each day this week, I've gotten closer and closer to sticking totally to my allowed points and staying OP.

I really do appreciate your kinds words and YES, it's been a bit of a whirlpool.........that's an understatement!!!! LOL!

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"lesanne" wrote in message ...
Eddie in my case this whirlpool you find yourself in has happened to me hundreds of times. I did not really understand it until I had to study change management. Once for fun, and once in graduate school. Eating problems have one thing in common with any other addiction that people pick up. All are subject to relapse. That is the one thing that they all have in common.

So. I eventually made a relapse plan. I expected this to happen, and I wrote out a plan for what to do when, not if it happened. Knowing this relieved me of quite a bit of personal guilt that I used to attach to the lapse. Not having to deal with the excess guilt (after all, this is what is supposed to happen....) I was able to move on into my written plan when things got bad. Usually quite quickly. I cannot write your plan for you, but mine involved journaling every bite, coming here and posting, and attending meetings weekly.

I got into a bad case of the "I don't wannas" in 2006, and have been fighting this thing with those old tools all year. I am up to the point that it is touch and go which weekend each month will be the one where I can weigh in free. knowing what I know and being at goal does not make me any more immune to this. The only difference between you and I is that I know if I can limit the days that the I don't wanna and max the better days I will have a prayer of keeping this off. You can get what you want off if you learn how to slide out of this whirlpool. First part being accept that it is doing what it is doing, and look for the edge of the barstard...

My relapse plan was stale. I did it too many times and frankly nothing works forever. I just got a new one about the beginning of this month and I am firmly out of the whirlpool right now and fired up as all getout. I am within about a pound of goal again. This problem period lasted SIX months this time before I felt like I had worked my way out, but the main trick is to not give up. So. First try what worked for you before. If that is a problem try something out of the box new. I ended up hiring a personal trainer. A little extreme? A little expensive? You check out the cost of a heart attack some time .

--
Les
"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message ...
Hi All,

Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work - heading
to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes on
and on............hohum!!!! sigh

Well......I've dropped my anchor and I'm sittin' in my row boat in the
middle of the lake (ocean perhaps?) right now ........

Man it's really stormy and rainy back where I came from - I definitely don't
want to ever go back there! NEVER!
But the truth of the matter is that I had a lapse this weekend............a
big one

Before WW, I used to be a major McDonald's fanatic - don't ask me why, but I
just was, Harvey's, Wendy's Burger King! I was a connoiseur of them all!!!
hehee

Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings
once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I
counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some
10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate
the whole shabang!!!

I'm very embarrassed to report that I gave in and ordered a Big Mac, Fries
and a diet coke...........and I totally scarfed the Big Mac, literally in a
matter of seconds!!!!!! I tell ya, I was just like a hungry dog getting meat
for the first time!!!...........it was really, really sad ...........That
was on Saturday night around 11:00pm!!!........ and if you can believe this,
it was also after a nice baked potatoe and 5oz fillet mignon for supper
..........

I thought to myself - well good - NOW it's out of my system............but
noooooooooOOO!!!!

On Sunday night, the drive home was pathetic, bumper to bumper and I had to
make an emergency rest stop..........wouldn't you know it, but the only
place around was a damn McDonald's - and my situation was VERrrrrrrrrrrry
urgent! LOL!

On the way out, I thought to myself, ah, what the heck - I haven't had a
chocolate shake in over a year - so boommmmmmmm! I did it again!!!! -
Instead of walking out the door, I decided to order a chocolate shake for
the road! You'd think I would at least order a small, but NOOOOOOoooo, I had
to order a large one!.........I'm telling ya, it didn't stand a chance! I
hoofed it down before I even made it to the car in the parking
lot......... sigh

Can you tell I didn't have a very successful weekend? Can you tell I'm a
bit bummed out?

Oh well......I got back to normal yesterday and today but unfortunately, but
I'm sorry to report I've over eaten my points a bit on both days.

Friday's WI isn't looking good at all at this point in time, but I know I
need to go to my meeting.
I know fully in my heart that I'm not just going to WW to pay to step on the
scale!!!!!

I'm going to WW to take part in the meeting and to learn how to deal with
situations like this and others.

Trust me when I say that I am trying desperately to reframe this entire
situation into a positive manner, but right now I can't - the bottom line
is, I fell off the horse big time and now I need to get back OP and stick to
it.

Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for listening.........

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

Hey VBChick...............great to hear from you
YES, you're right - I know what's going on and I know what I need to
do.......Here comes the practice part........Friday's WI and meeting should
be quite interesting.........

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Nunya B." wrote in message
...
Well Eddie, you know what's going on and you know what you need to do.
There was a time in the past when a lapse like that would put me off track
for months. Now I get back by the next meal. It's a skill that we learn
with practice and you now have had some practice.
--
the volleyballchick

"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work -
heading
to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes
on
and on............hohum!!!! sigh

Well......I've dropped my anchor and I'm sittin' in my row boat in the
middle of the lake (ocean perhaps?) right now ........

Man it's really stormy and rainy back where I came from - I definitely
don't
want to ever go back there! NEVER!
But the truth of the matter is that I had a lapse this
weekend............a
big one

Before WW, I used to be a major McDonald's fanatic - don't ask me why, but
I
just was, Harvey's, Wendy's Burger King! I was a connoiseur of them
all!!!
hehee

Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings
once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I
counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some
10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate
the whole shabang!!!

I'm very embarrassed to report that I gave in and ordered a Big Mac, Fries
and a diet coke...........and I totally scarfed the Big Mac, literally in
a
matter of seconds!!!!!! I tell ya, I was just like a hungry dog getting
meat
for the first time!!!...........it was really, really sad
...........That
was on Saturday night around 11:00pm!!!........ and if you can believe
this,
it was also after a nice baked potatoe and 5oz fillet mignon for supper
..........

I thought to myself - well good - NOW it's out of my system............but
noooooooooOOO!!!!

On Sunday night, the drive home was pathetic, bumper to bumper and I had
to
make an emergency rest stop..........wouldn't you know it, but the only
place around was a damn McDonald's - and my situation was VERrrrrrrrrrrry
urgent! LOL!

On the way out, I thought to myself, ah, what the heck - I haven't had a
chocolate shake in over a year - so boommmmmmmm! I did it again!!!! -
Instead of walking out the door, I decided to order a chocolate shake for
the road! You'd think I would at least order a small, but NOOOOOOoooo, I
had
to order a large one!.........I'm telling ya, it didn't stand a chance! I
hoofed it down before I even made it to the car in the parking
lot......... sigh

Can you tell I didn't have a very successful weekend? Can you tell I'm a
bit bummed out?

Oh well......I got back to normal yesterday and today but unfortunately,
but
I'm sorry to report I've over eaten my points a bit on both days.

Friday's WI isn't looking good at all at this point in time, but I know I
need to go to my meeting.
I know fully in my heart that I'm not just going to WW to pay to step on
the
scale!!!!!

I'm going to WW to take part in the meeting and to learn how to deal with
situations like this and others.

Trust me when I say that I am trying desperately to reframe this entire
situation into a positive manner, but right now I can't - the bottom line
is, I fell off the horse big time and now I need to get back OP and stick
to
it.

Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for
listening.........

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

Hi Kate............thanks for chiming in on this one. Ahhhhhhh........bread
and cheese (perhaps my next relapse? hehehe)!!!
Believe it or not, I actually tried this Ottawa trip and a "weekend off" and
that's kind of why I gave in to my cravings. But in all honesty, I really
feel bad now that I did it. It's not so much a guilt feeling but rather a
more "****ed off at myself" type of feeling because I've now set myself back
a few weeks from where I was.

I'm kind of on the fence with this one. One side of me says, "try to fit in
as many things as possible without changing too drastically". But then the
other side of me says, "don't eat it, your addicted! you need to break the
addiction, just like quitting smoking".....I'm really torn on this issue,
but I also understand where both you and Doug are coming from on this.

I honestly just wish that I was addicted to food!!........I love to eat and
it seems that most stuff that packs on the weight quickly, is bad for
you!!!........but some will say, "everything in moderation is OK"......my
biggest problem is that I only need to look at a Big Mac and I put on 5
lbs!LOL!

Oh well...........I will get through this in time........I may have lost a
couple of battles in a row, but I still plan on winning the
war............at all costs! I have to!!!.............My life depends on
it......! and keeping that foremost in my mind will help me achieve my goal,
no matter how many setbacks I may experience.

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Kate Dicey" wrote in message
...

Eddie, we all have these crises. Try not to beat yourself up over it.
Tie a knot and move on: the past is dead and gone, and what you do
tomorrow is more important in this journey.

My diet-busters are bread and cheese. I find both very hard to leave on
the plate. Most of the time I manage to pass by on the other side, but
occasionally I do my good Samaritan act and help them on their way!

You should allow yourself a weekend off now and again. I let myself do
the cheese and bread thing at the weekend, and didn't count points at
all. My portions were moderate rather than huge, and what I had was
enough to satisfy but now so much that my innards suffered. After such
a weekend you may have a stall or an upward blip for a week, but don't
let that depress you. It's part of the course, and part of learning
what you can and cannot get away with.

Oh, and try re-naming the things you like to scarf down like a one-man
locust plague: Bugger King and MacDeadthings work for me!

Maybe you could help your cravings by making your own burgers with very
lean steak mince or turkey mince, and home made baps? Making them would
use up a few of the extra points they contained: the longer you knead
bread, the better the texture.
--
Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.katedicey.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

Hey Gary..............nice to hear from you YES you are right.......in
the past, I wouldn't have thought much about it past the
disposal...........HOW TRUE THAT STATEMENT IS!!!!!

Thanks for your words of encouragement..........things are looking better
already

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Gary G" wrote in message
...
I think you already begun dealing with the solution...Your aware you have
slipped and will keep on...We all I believe have our moments...In the past
would you have even thought much passed the disposal?...I must say I always
found relief when I was able to dispose of the cardboard and bag...Sounds to
me that your more on track then you even realize...GG
"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work -
heading
to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes
on
and on............hohum!!!! sigh

Well......I've dropped my anchor and I'm sittin' in my row boat in the
middle of the lake (ocean perhaps?) right now ........

Man it's really stormy and rainy back where I came from - I definitely
don't
want to ever go back there! NEVER!
But the truth of the matter is that I had a lapse this
weekend............a
big one

Before WW, I used to be a major McDonald's fanatic - don't ask me why, but
I
just was, Harvey's, Wendy's Burger King! I was a connoiseur of them
all!!!
hehee

Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings
once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I
counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some
10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate
the whole shabang!!!

I'm very embarrassed to report that I gave in and ordered a Big Mac, Fries
and a diet coke...........and I totally scarfed the Big Mac, literally in
a
matter of seconds!!!!!! I tell ya, I was just like a hungry dog getting
meat
for the first time!!!...........it was really, really sad
...........That
was on Saturday night around 11:00pm!!!........ and if you can believe
this,
it was also after a nice baked potatoe and 5oz fillet mignon for supper
..........

I thought to myself - well good - NOW it's out of my system............but
noooooooooOOO!!!!

On Sunday night, the drive home was pathetic, bumper to bumper and I had
to
make an emergency rest stop..........wouldn't you know it, but the only
place around was a damn McDonald's - and my situation was VERrrrrrrrrrrry
urgent! LOL!

On the way out, I thought to myself, ah, what the heck - I haven't had a
chocolate shake in over a year - so boommmmmmmm! I did it again!!!! -
Instead of walking out the door, I decided to order a chocolate shake for
the road! You'd think I would at least order a small, but NOOOOOOoooo, I
had
to order a large one!.........I'm telling ya, it didn't stand a chance! I
hoofed it down before I even made it to the car in the parking
lot......... sigh

Can you tell I didn't have a very successful weekend? Can you tell I'm a
bit bummed out?

Oh well......I got back to normal yesterday and today but unfortunately,
but
I'm sorry to report I've over eaten my points a bit on both days.

Friday's WI isn't looking good at all at this point in time, but I know I
need to go to my meeting.
I know fully in my heart that I'm not just going to WW to pay to step on
the
scale!!!!!

I'm going to WW to take part in the meeting and to learn how to deal with
situations like this and others.

Trust me when I say that I am trying desperately to reframe this entire
situation into a positive manner, but right now I can't - the bottom line
is, I fell off the horse big time and now I need to get back OP and stick
to
it.

Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for
listening.........

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs