Struggling :(

Hey Doug.......Core sounds like a really good idea and yes the points are
bugging me a bit.....you may be right - I may need a change.........but at
the same time, I'm glad I posted - I think it's helped me more than I think
to get back on program.....

I really appreciate your sincere comments.........thanks!

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Doug Lerner" wrote in message
...
Been there, done that. Not over the last 400 days or so, but all of us have
been in the same position you are. And we know how it feels, the thoughts of
food that go through your mind and all of that.

I think it is good you are posting about it now rather than later.

It sounds to me like you are finding the points to be a psychological
barrier that you hate facing each day.

For that reason, why don't you try switching to Core for a while? At least
you aren't facing strict limits that way.

doug



On 7/19/06 8:39 AM, in article ,
"Eddie-Type2" wrote:

Hi All,

Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work -
heading
to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes
on
and on............hohum!!!! sigh

Well......I've dropped my anchor and I'm sittin' in my row boat in the
middle of the lake (ocean perhaps?) right now ........

Man it's really stormy and rainy back where I came from - I definitely
don't
want to ever go back there! NEVER!
But the truth of the matter is that I had a lapse this
weekend............a
big one

Before WW, I used to be a major McDonald's fanatic - don't ask me why, but
I
just was, Harvey's, Wendy's Burger King! I was a connoiseur of them
all!!!
hehee

Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings
once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I

counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some
10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate
the whole shabang!!!

I'm very embarrassed to report that I gave in and ordered a Big Mac, Fries
and a diet coke...........and I totally scarfed the Big Mac, literally in
a
matter of seconds!!!!!! I tell ya, I was just like a hungry dog getting
meat
for the first time!!!...........it was really, really sad
...........That
was on Saturday night around 11:00pm!!!........ and if you can believe
this,
it was also after a nice baked potatoe and 5oz fillet mignon for supper
..........

I thought to myself - well good - NOW it's out of my system............but
noooooooooOOO!!!!

On Sunday night, the drive home was pathetic, bumper to bumper and I had
to
make an emergency rest stop..........wouldn't you know it, but the only
place around was a damn McDonald's - and my situation was VERrrrrrrrrrrry
urgent! LOL!

On the way out, I thought to myself, ah, what the heck - I haven't had a
chocolate shake in over a year - so boommmmmmmm! I did it again!!!! -
Instead of walking out the door, I decided to order a chocolate shake for
the road! You'd think I would at least order a small, but NOOOOOOoooo, I
had
to order a large one!.........I'm telling ya, it didn't stand a chance! I
hoofed it down before I even made it to the car in the parking
lot......... sigh

Can you tell I didn't have a very successful weekend? Can you tell I'm a
bit bummed out?

Oh well......I got back to normal yesterday and today but unfortunately,
but
I'm sorry to report I've over eaten my points a bit on both days.

Friday's WI isn't looking good at all at this point in time, but I know I
need to go to my meeting.
I know fully in my heart that I'm not just going to WW to pay to step on
the
scale!!!!!

I'm going to WW to take part in the meeting and to learn how to deal with
situations like this and others.

Trust me when I say that I am trying desperately to reframe this entire
situation into a positive manner, but right now I can't - the bottom line
is, I fell off the horse big time and now I need to get back OP and stick
to
it.

Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for
listening.........

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

not really any triggers.......at least I don't think so???

.................I've been stressed before and haven't turned to eating junk
for comfort.

I think what happened here is that I've kinda let myself slip into "vacation
mode" and I have justified somehow in my own mind that a little splurge for
the last 2 weeks is not going to push me back to where I started?

Perhaps,deep down inside, I'm justifying my actions by telling myself that I
deserve this little splurge because I've been so good for over a year now?
I just don't know for sure, but I can honestly say that I have no intentions
of continuing down this destructive path............NO WAY!........

I'm back OP and I intend to stay that way now.........my little lapse is
over.......Thanks very much for your comments. I sincerely appreciate them.

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Stormstruck" wrote in message
...
You recognised what you did. Thats a big step.

You counted the points and took accountability for it, another big step.

Perhaps you need to look at your triggers and see WHY you did that.

Well done on getting back OP, thats the main thing!


"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work -
heading
to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes
on
and on............hohum!!!! sigh

Well......I've dropped my anchor and I'm sittin' in my row boat in the
middle of the lake (ocean perhaps?) right now ........

Man it's really stormy and rainy back where I came from - I definitely
don't
want to ever go back there! NEVER!
But the truth of the matter is that I had a lapse this
weekend............a
big one

Before WW, I used to be a major McDonald's fanatic - don't ask me why, but
I
just was, Harvey's, Wendy's Burger King! I was a connoiseur of them
all!!!
hehee

Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings
once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I
counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some
10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate
the whole shabang!!!

I'm very embarrassed to report that I gave in and ordered a Big Mac, Fries
and a diet coke...........and I totally scarfed the Big Mac, literally in
a
matter of seconds!!!!!! I tell ya, I was just like a hungry dog getting
meat
for the first time!!!...........it was really, really sad
...........That
was on Saturday night around 11:00pm!!!........ and if you can believe
this,
it was also after a nice baked potatoe and 5oz fillet mignon for supper
..........

I thought to myself - well good - NOW it's out of my system............but
noooooooooOOO!!!!

On Sunday night, the drive home was pathetic, bumper to bumper and I had
to
make an emergency rest stop..........wouldn't you know it, but the only
place around was a damn McDonald's - and my situation was VERrrrrrrrrrrry
urgent! LOL!

On the way out, I thought to myself, ah, what the heck - I haven't had a
chocolate shake in over a year - so boommmmmmmm! I did it again!!!! -
Instead of walking out the door, I decided to order a chocolate shake for
the road! You'd think I would at least order a small, but NOOOOOOoooo, I
had
to order a large one!.........I'm telling ya, it didn't stand a chance! I
hoofed it down before I even made it to the car in the parking
lot......... sigh

Can you tell I didn't have a very successful weekend? Can you tell I'm a
bit bummed out?

Oh well......I got back to normal yesterday and today but unfortunately,
but
I'm sorry to report I've over eaten my points a bit on both days.

Friday's WI isn't looking good at all at this point in time, but I know I
need to go to my meeting.
I know fully in my heart that I'm not just going to WW to pay to step on
the
scale!!!!!

I'm going to WW to take part in the meeting and to learn how to deal with
situations like this and others.

Trust me when I say that I am trying desperately to reframe this entire
situation into a positive manner, but right now I can't - the bottom line
is, I fell off the horse big time and now I need to get back OP and stick
to
it.

Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for
listening.........

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

Eddie the tip off here is not so much that you ate the Big Mac, etc. it is the description of How you ate it. i.e. fast . That, believe it or not, says a lot about what was going on. You were not savoring a special rare treat their, you were doing that in a rather self-abusive way? I don't know if you follow me here. I love burgers too. I had one that I can remember a few weeks ago. I got the Jr. size and nibbled on it for a good 15 minutes, enjoying every bite. That is so different than the situation that happens when I am in a "relapse" mode, and just swallow something whole !
--
Lesanne
"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message ...
Hi Lesanne! Thanks so much for your wonderful reply! I think you are right!~ I knew this was going to happed as well, and unfortunately, my plan was to just let it happed, get it out of my system, and get right back OP......I must admit that it's been harder than I thought, but I can honestly say, that with each day this week, I've gotten closer and closer to sticking totally to my allowed points and staying OP.

I really do appreciate your kinds words and YES, it's been a bit of a whirlpool.........that's an understatement!!!! LOL!

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"lesanne" wrote in message ...
Eddie in my case this whirlpool you find yourself in has happened to me hundreds of times. I did not really understand it until I had to study change management. Once for fun, and once in graduate school. Eating problems have one thing in common with any other addiction that people pick up. All are subject to relapse. That is the one thing that they all have in common.

So. I eventually made a relapse plan. I expected this to happen, and I wrote out a plan for what to do when, not if it happened. Knowing this relieved me of quite a bit of personal guilt that I used to attach to the lapse. Not having to deal with the excess guilt (after all, this is what is supposed to happen....) I was able to move on into my written plan when things got bad. Usually quite quickly. I cannot write your plan for you, but mine involved journaling every bite, coming here and posting, and attending meetings weekly.

I got into a bad case of the "I don't wannas" in 2006, and have been fighting this thing with those old tools all year. I am up to the point that it is touch and go which weekend each month will be the one where I can weigh in free. knowing what I know and being at goal does not make me any more immune to this. The only difference between you and I is that I know if I can limit the days that the I don't wanna and max the better days I will have a prayer of keeping this off. You can get what you want off if you learn how to slide out of this whirlpool. First part being accept that it is doing what it is doing, and look for the edge of the barstard...

My relapse plan was stale. I did it too many times and frankly nothing works forever. I just got a new one about the beginning of this month and I am firmly out of the whirlpool right now and fired up as all getout. I am within about a pound of goal again. This problem period lasted SIX months this time before I felt like I had worked my way out, but the main trick is to not give up. So. First try what worked for you before. If that is a problem try something out of the box new. I ended up hiring a personal trainer. A little extreme? A little expensive? You check out the cost of a heart attack some time .

--
Les
"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message ...
Hi All,

Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work - heading
to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes on
and on............hohum!!!! sigh

Well......I've dropped my anchor and I'm sittin' in my row boat in the
middle of the lake (ocean perhaps?) right now ........

Man it's really stormy and rainy back where I came from - I definitely don't
want to ever go back there! NEVER!
But the truth of the matter is that I had a lapse this weekend............a
big one

Before WW, I used to be a major McDonald's fanatic - don't ask me why, but I
just was, Harvey's, Wendy's Burger King! I was a connoiseur of them all!!!
hehee

Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings
once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I
counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some
10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate
the whole shabang!!!

I'm very embarrassed to report that I gave in and ordered a Big Mac, Fries
and a diet coke...........and I totally scarfed the Big Mac, literally in a
matter of seconds!!!!!! I tell ya, I was just like a hungry dog getting meat
for the first time!!!...........it was really, really sad ...........That
was on Saturday night around 11:00pm!!!........ and if you can believe this,
it was also after a nice baked potatoe and 5oz fillet mignon for supper
..........

I thought to myself - well good - NOW it's out of my system............but
noooooooooOOO!!!!

On Sunday night, the drive home was pathetic, bumper to bumper and I had to
make an emergency rest stop..........wouldn't you know it, but the only
place around was a damn McDonald's - and my situation was VERrrrrrrrrrrry
urgent! LOL!

On the way out, I thought to myself, ah, what the heck - I haven't had a
chocolate shake in over a year - so boommmmmmmm! I did it again!!!! -
Instead of walking out the door, I decided to order a chocolate shake for
the road! You'd think I would at least order a small, but NOOOOOOoooo, I had
to order a large one!.........I'm telling ya, it didn't stand a chance! I
hoofed it down before I even made it to the car in the parking
lot......... sigh

Can you tell I didn't have a very successful weekend? Can you tell I'm a
bit bummed out?

Oh well......I got back to normal yesterday and today but unfortunately, but
I'm sorry to report I've over eaten my points a bit on both days.

Friday's WI isn't looking good at all at this point in time, but I know I
need to go to my meeting.
I know fully in my heart that I'm not just going to WW to pay to step on the
scale!!!!!

I'm going to WW to take part in the meeting and to learn how to deal with
situations like this and others.

Trust me when I say that I am trying desperately to reframe this entire
situation into a positive manner, but right now I can't - the bottom line
is, I fell off the horse big time and now I need to get back OP and stick to
it.

Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for listening.........

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

On 7/20/06 10:11 AM, in article ,
"Eddie-Type2" wrote:

Hey Doug.......Core sounds like a really good idea and yes the points are
bugging me a bit.....you may be right - I may need a change.........but at
the same time, I'm glad I posted - I think it's helped me more than I think
to get back on program.....

Absolutely. And remember if you do try Core - you are STILL on program! I
believe the ability to switch back and forth between Core and Flex Points is
a standard part of the program.

doug

It's amazing that I misspelled happen twice!!!!!!!! (happed) what the heck was that? LOL!.....

You're right again Lesanne........in my own words......" I scarfed it down ".......ya, that was certainly the OLD Eddie shining through with true colors!!!!! (notice the American spelling of colours? - no "u")........

I guess seeing my old ugly self coming out from hiding has really scared me a bit........but that's a good thing!..........it's means that I truly don't want to go back there and by talking about it, thinking about it, writing about it, it's all starting to make me feel good about where I am today........

This group is so helpful and my Friday meeting group is wonderful too............it's nice to know that people like you are out there for me Lesanne.........

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Lesanne" wrote in message ...
Eddie the tip off here is not so much that you ate the Big Mac, etc. it is the description of How you ate it. i.e. fast . That, believe it or not, says a lot about what was going on. You were not savoring a special rare treat their, you were doing that in a rather self-abusive way? I don't know if you follow me here. I love burgers too. I had one that I can remember a few weeks ago. I got the Jr. size and nibbled on it for a good 15 minutes, enjoying every bite. That is so different than the situation that happens when I am in a "relapse" mode, and just swallow something whole !
--
Lesanne
"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message ...
Hi Lesanne! Thanks so much for your wonderful reply! I think you are right!~ I knew this was going to happed as well, and unfortunately, my plan was to just let it happed, get it out of my system, and get right back OP......I must admit that it's been harder than I thought, but I can honestly say, that with each day this week, I've gotten closer and closer to sticking totally to my allowed points and staying OP.

I really do appreciate your kinds words and YES, it's been a bit of a whirlpool.........that's an understatement!!!! LOL!

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"lesanne" wrote in message ...
Eddie in my case this whirlpool you find yourself in has happened to me hundreds of times. I did not really understand it until I had to study change management. Once for fun, and once in graduate school. Eating problems have one thing in common with any other addiction that people pick up. All are subject to relapse. That is the one thing that they all have in common.

So. I eventually made a relapse plan. I expected this to happen, and I wrote out a plan for what to do when, not if it happened. Knowing this relieved me of quite a bit of personal guilt that I used to attach to the lapse. Not having to deal with the excess guilt (after all, this is what is supposed to happen....) I was able to move on into my written plan when things got bad. Usually quite quickly. I cannot write your plan for you, but mine involved journaling every bite, coming here and posting, and attending meetings weekly.

I got into a bad case of the "I don't wannas" in 2006, and have been fighting this thing with those old tools all year. I am up to the point that it is touch and go which weekend each month will be the one where I can weigh in free. knowing what I know and being at goal does not make me any more immune to this. The only difference between you and I is that I know if I can limit the days that the I don't wanna and max the better days I will have a prayer of keeping this off. You can get what you want off if you learn how to slide out of this whirlpool. First part being accept that it is doing what it is doing, and look for the edge of the barstard...

My relapse plan was stale. I did it too many times and frankly nothing works forever. I just got a new one about the beginning of this month and I am firmly out of the whirlpool right now and fired up as all getout. I am within about a pound of goal again. This problem period lasted SIX months this time before I felt like I had worked my way out, but the main trick is to not give up. So. First try what worked for you before. If that is a problem try something out of the box new. I ended up hiring a personal trainer. A little extreme? A little expensive? You check out the cost of a heart attack some time .

--
Les
"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message ...
Hi All,

Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work - heading
to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes on
and on............hohum!!!! sigh

Well......I've dropped my anchor and I'm sittin' in my row boat in the
middle of the lake (ocean perhaps?) right now ........

Man it's really stormy and rainy back where I came from - I definitely don't
want to ever go back there! NEVER!
But the truth of the matter is that I had a lapse this weekend............a
big one

Before WW, I used to be a major McDonald's fanatic - don't ask me why, but I
just was, Harvey's, Wendy's Burger King! I was a connoiseur of them all!!!
hehee

Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings
once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I
counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some
10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate
the whole shabang!!!

I'm very embarrassed to report that I gave in and ordered a Big Mac, Fries
and a diet coke...........and I totally scarfed the Big Mac, literally in a
matter of seconds!!!!!! I tell ya, I was just like a hungry dog getting meat
for the first time!!!...........it was really, really sad ...........That
was on Saturday night around 11:00pm!!!........ and if you can believe this,
it was also after a nice baked potatoe and 5oz fillet mignon for supper
..........

I thought to myself - well good - NOW it's out of my system............but
noooooooooOOO!!!!

On Sunday night, the drive home was pathetic, bumper to bumper and I had to
make an emergency rest stop..........wouldn't you know it, but the only
place around was a damn McDonald's - and my situation was VERrrrrrrrrrrry
urgent! LOL!

On the way out, I thought to myself, ah, what the heck - I haven't had a
chocolate shake in over a year - so boommmmmmmm! I did it again!!!! -
Instead of walking out the door, I decided to order a chocolate shake for
the road! You'd think I would at least order a small, but NOOOOOOoooo, I had
to order a large one!.........I'm telling ya, it didn't stand a chance! I
hoofed it down before I even made it to the car in the parking
lot......... sigh

Can you tell I didn't have a very successful weekend? Can you tell I'm a
bit bummed out?

Oh well......I got back to normal yesterday and today but unfortunately, but
I'm sorry to report I've over eaten my points a bit on both days.

Friday's WI isn't looking good at all at this point in time, but I know I
need to go to my meeting.
I know fully in my heart that I'm not just going to WW to pay to step on the
scale!!!!!

I'm going to WW to take part in the meeting and to learn how to deal with
situations like this and others.

Trust me when I say that I am trying desperately to reframe this entire
situation into a positive manner, but right now I can't - the bottom line
is, I fell off the horse big time and now I need to get back OP and stick to
it.

Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for listening.........

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message
...
YES, exercise, walking, whatever is really needed to
help get fit, but it's not a requirement to lose weight and it most
certainly doesn't prevent lapses like the one I had........


Unless I exercise along with dieting I lose less than a lb a week with no
cheating. That's just the normal exercise everyone gets. If I do 1 to 2
miles a day on the treadmill and stick to the diet I will lose at a nice
pace, sometimes as much as 2½ lbs a week. After 5 months recuperating from
knee surgery, then physical therapy, I am now back exercising. I lost no
weight while in the cast as exercise was minimal. Happily I didn't gain
anything either. )

LW
Start - 7/5 - 170lbs
Today - 162½ lbs
Goal - 130lbs
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Eddie-Type2 wrote:
Hi Kate............thanks for chiming in on this one. Ahhhhhhh........bread
and cheese (perhaps my next relapse? hehehe)!!!
Believe it or not, I actually tried this Ottawa trip and a "weekend off" and
that's kind of why I gave in to my cravings. But in all honesty, I really
feel bad now that I did it. It's not so much a guilt feeling but rather a
more "****ed off at myself" type of feeling because I've now set myself back
a few weeks from where I was.

Partly its guilt, isn't it? The old 'I've let myself down' sad
disappointment thing... I gave up guilt in my teens, and just take
responsibility for my decisions: if I have a weekend off and pig a bit
on bread and cheese, I just enjoy it at the time and start again the
following day, earning the exercise points and eating on plan. If I put
on that week, I know why and work a bit harder to get it off again.
This is not to say I never go astray: I have, and it is hard to get back
to it, but I never beat myself up over it. I just do the best I can
THAT DAY, and start afresh every day until it clicks into place again.

I'm kind of on the fence with this one. One side of me says, "try to fit in
as many things as possible without changing too drastically". But then the
other side of me says, "don't eat it, your addicted! you need to break the
addiction, just like quitting smoking".....I'm really torn on this issue,
but I also understand where both you and Doug are coming from on this.

If there are particular things that trigger a pig-out session, you might
do well to avoid them, at least for a while. I avoided chocolate as far
as possible for several months, and do NOT buy things like shortbread
because they were big piggy-triggers for me. 60+ lbs later I have
learned the control and CAN have just one biscuit/cookie, rather than
scarfing down the whole pack in a sitting! But I don't buy them in
packs to have at home, I save them for treats when out.

I honestly just wish that I was addicted to food!!........I love to eat and
it seems that most stuff that packs on the weight quickly, is bad for
you!!!........but some will say, "everything in moderation is OK"......my
biggest problem is that I only need to look at a Big Mac and I put on 5
lbs!LOL!

I'm lucky in some respects in that most fatty foods do not appeal to me
and never have. Deep fried dead things do nowt for me, but home made
pastry, cake, bread, and mayo do! So I think of the expense, make then
occasionally for birthday treats and such like occasions, and am very
good about eating them in moderation as part of a meal. And the mayo I
cut half and half with fat free Greek Yoghurt, and dial back the points
that way.

Oh well...........I will get through this in time........I may have lost a
couple of battles in a row, but I still plan on winning the
war............at all costs! I have to!!!.............My life depends on
it......! and keeping that foremost in my mind will help me achieve my goal,
no matter how many setbacks I may experience.

This is the thing that makes you keep to it. For me it is pain: over
indulgence at a meal brings on the pain, so the pay-back is almost
instant! When I do have a weekend off, I don't go mad: portions remain
within the bounds of reality, and below pain threshold as far as
possible. Usually it means I have a little cheese with the others in a
pick & mix meal, along side lean cold meats, bales of salad (lightly
dressed or not dressed at all), a few bits of French bread, or a desert,
and a glass or three of white wine, over two or three days.

Last weekend was my God-daughter's confirmation, and at church I avoided
the pizza and other snack treats after the service (akk! Waaaaaay too
hot for them! Now if they had ice cream, I'd have had one!), and we all
went back to her parents for a meal of salads, cold meats and cheeses,
bread, and a desert of fruit salad. Those of us weight watching just
moderated our intake and enjoyed what we had, and let the kids demolish
the rest! I suppose the cheese and the wine were the only real diet
busters, and we were moderate in out intake and didn't trigger any binges.

I allowed myself to relax rather than go mad: if you feel you aren't
ready for that yet, go with the flow. It will come, though it may take
some time.
--
Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.katedicey.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

Doug Lerner wrote:



On 7/20/06 10:11 AM, in article ,
"Eddie-Type2" wrote:


Hey Doug.......Core sounds like a really good idea and yes the points are
bugging me a bit.....you may be right - I may need a change.........but at
the same time, I'm glad I posted - I think it's helped me more than I think
to get back on program.....


Absolutely. And remember if you do try Core - you are STILL on program! I
believe the ability to switch back and forth between Core and Flex Points is
a standard part of the program.

doug

Remember that you need to give each a good trial period. Day by day
switching doesn't work! My leader says you need to give Core/No Count a
good month to start with.

--
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"Doug Lerner" wrote in message
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I think the difference between what you and I are saying *might* be a
matter
of our definitions, to a certain point anyway...

My own plan (and WW for that matter) has "built in flexibility". So it is
very easy to have a very large, extravagant meal from time to time. You
can
blow all your free points in one evening if you want to, right?

What I am saying is that it is unwise to go beyond that. And maybe we do
disagree here.

I think your lifetime plan needs the flexibility to splurge built-in.
Weight
Watchers has free points. I have my bonus points. I strongly believe,
however, it is dangerous to gorge yourself without limit beyond your plan.
I
think you should always remain on your plan - NO MATTER WHAT.

At least I know that is true for myself. I know I can't "temporarily go
off
plan" and then easily get on the wagon again. There would be too much of a
temptation to extend it "for just one more day". And we all know what that
leads too.

Yes, we have to be flexible and have a program we can live with forever.
But
we also have to accept reality and recognize what food means to people
(like
me) who had become morbidly obese due to our food additions.

doug

I agree with you on your points. The thing I've liked about WW is that it's
flexible enough to have a splurge, but because of the limited amount of
WAP's it puts a ceiling on the splurging. Another thing to do if you know
you've got something coming up is to earn AP's earlier in the day. Some
leaders say you can eat all of the AP's you earn and some limit it to 4.

It's one thing to splurge consciously and in a quasi or fully planned manner
and it's another to let go and delve back into the unconscious or
uncontrolled binge behavior that got us where we are in the first place.
However unlike a regular addict, we have to take our poison on a daily basis
and manage it. Sometimes people lapse but the more practice you get
recovering from the lapse, the shorter and less severe they become.
Anything that I would consider a binge these days is nothing compared to
what it used to be but that's not saying it couldn't slide back if I don't
stay on it.
--
the volleyballchick

Hi, Eddie, You gave into the cravings but now you know that you really did
not enjoy the food. Forgive yourself for being human and get back to doing
what you did right.
Hugs
Catherine
"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

Getting back from the cruise - being stressed over money and work -
heading
to Ottawa for the weekend - dealing with summer barbecues - the list goes
on
and on............hohum!!!! sigh

Well......I've dropped my anchor and I'm sittin' in my row boat in the
middle of the lake (ocean perhaps?) right now ........

Man it's really stormy and rainy back where I came from - I definitely
don't
want to ever go back there! NEVER!
But the truth of the matter is that I had a lapse this
weekend............a
big one

Before WW, I used to be a major McDonald's fanatic - don't ask me why, but
I
just was, Harvey's, Wendy's Burger King! I was a connoiseur of them
all!!!
hehee

Well since starting WW back in June 2005, I've only given into my cravings
once! It was for a quarter pounder and fries only a few months into WW, I
counted the points and really didn't even enjoy it much.......but now some
10 months after (maybe it's been longer?) I gave in this weekend and I ate
the whole shabang!!!

I'm very embarrassed to report that I gave in and ordered a Big Mac, Fries
and a diet coke...........and I totally scarfed the Big Mac, literally in
a
matter of seconds!!!!!! I tell ya, I was just like a hungry dog getting
meat
for the first time!!!...........it was really, really sad
...........That
was on Saturday night around 11:00pm!!!........ and if you can believe
this,
it was also after a nice baked potatoe and 5oz fillet mignon for supper
..........

I thought to myself - well good - NOW it's out of my system............but
noooooooooOOO!!!!

On Sunday night, the drive home was pathetic, bumper to bumper and I had
to
make an emergency rest stop..........wouldn't you know it, but the only
place around was a damn McDonald's - and my situation was VERrrrrrrrrrrry
urgent! LOL!

On the way out, I thought to myself, ah, what the heck - I haven't had a
chocolate shake in over a year - so boommmmmmmm! I did it again!!!! -
Instead of walking out the door, I decided to order a chocolate shake for
the road! You'd think I would at least order a small, but NOOOOOOoooo, I
had
to order a large one!.........I'm telling ya, it didn't stand a chance! I
hoofed it down before I even made it to the car in the parking
lot......... sigh

Can you tell I didn't have a very successful weekend? Can you tell I'm a
bit bummed out?

Oh well......I got back to normal yesterday and today but unfortunately,
but
I'm sorry to report I've over eaten my points a bit on both days.

Friday's WI isn't looking good at all at this point in time, but I know I
need to go to my meeting.
I know fully in my heart that I'm not just going to WW to pay to step on
the
scale!!!!!

I'm going to WW to take part in the meeting and to learn how to deal with
situations like this and others.

Trust me when I say that I am trying desperately to reframe this entire
situation into a positive manner, but right now I can't - the bottom line
is, I fell off the horse big time and now I need to get back OP and stick
to
it.

Just writing this post is helping me greatly - thanks for
listening.........

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs