Very discouraged; please help

Having read Beverly's response, I felt I understood better why you were
annoyed, Jen. If somebody corrected my semantics every time I said, "Muscle
is heavier than fat" (which I say all the time and anybody hearing it knows
exactly what it means, of course), I'd be annoyed too.

ep

"Jen" wrote in message
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I was a little on-edge after the first answer to the post, and assumed
someone was being a smart ar**. I hear it called nothing but weight all
the time, and didn't think there was need for an explanation. Everyone
says that gold is heavy or lead is heavy. Same thing. I don't think it
needs to be explained that a certain weight of something isn't the same
weight of something else.

I got frustrated.

I apologize


Jen

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"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
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"Jen" wrote in message
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"determined" wrote in message
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Perhaps you could invest in a heart rate monitor. It will give you
a better idea what your heart rate is during these exercises, and a
better estimate of how many calories you are burning.

A better, more effective way is to use a perceived exertion scale
http://exercise.about.com/od/cardiow...d+heart%20rate



Jen

Too bad this person felt compelled to invent yet another perceived
exertion scale rather than use one already defined.

Why? Does somebody have on original that works better?


Jen
There are a couple in wide use. They even refer to them and then go off
and invent a new one. Makes it hard to compare with other writings is
all.

del

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Edna Pearl wrote:
"Beverly" wrote in message
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I even said it with a smiley

I think the frustration level is pretty high on this thread. I know
mine
is! Tempers get lost, people get caught in the crossfire, etc. FWIW,
though, I noticed your smiley :-) I figured you were making a funny.
Not
a *big* funny, maybe, but certainly a smiley-face funny, at the very
least.

ep

I wasn't making a "funny". The reference to muscle weighing more than
fat
is a frequent comparison make in this newsgroup. It's wrong and most
people
know that a pound of muscle simply occupies less space than a pound of
muscle but then again "most" people state it correctly if they
recognize
the difference. I was a little annoyed at Jen's response considering
her
reponse to determined's post to you but I ignored it. To be honest, I
could
give a rat's ass what Jen thinks .....another smiley!

To be pedantic, muscle is denser than fat. But saying "muscle weighs
more than fat" is really shorthand for something on the order of "a body
of a given size will be heavier if it has a higher proportion of muscle".
I bet you get upset when people say that they could care less to mean
they are indifferent. :-)

del

"Beverly" wrote in message
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Edna Pearl wrote:
"Beverly" wrote in message
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I even said it with a smiley

I think the frustration level is pretty high on this thread. I know mine
is! Tempers get lost, people get caught in the crossfire, etc. FWIW,
though, I noticed your smiley :-) I figured you were making a funny.
Not
a *big* funny, maybe, but certainly a smiley-face funny, at the very
least.

ep

I wasn't making a "funny". The reference to muscle weighing more than fat
is a frequent comparison make in this newsgroup. It's wrong and most
people
know that a pound of muscle simply occupies less space than a pound of
muscle

Obviously *most* people don't, because they use the scale to measure
success. Whether I said it properly or not, wasn't really the point, and I
felt you were being nasty by pointing it out.


Jen

Either way I think the expression is being widely overused in here, a lot of
people are assuming a lot about others.... generally without having a clue
what the h... they are talking about.

Check in your mirror friends.. the person in there is the only one you have
the knowledge and the right to judge.

I don't count calories... I WI once a month, and it works for me...

Will~

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"Nunya B." wrote in message
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"Edna Pearl" wrote in message
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What's an "FFID" please?

(I enjoyed reading your post, Nunya.)

ep

It stands for Fat F*** In Denial and is used traditionally to describe
someone who complains that there isn't anything he/she can do about
his/her weight. It is probably appropriate for plenty of folks who have
posted here over the years but lately has become extremely overused.
Just another reason I don't post here much anymore.

Oh, my! I thought it meant Fat *Friend* In Denial.

"Edna Pearl" wrote in message
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Having read Beverly's response, I felt I understood better why you were
annoyed, Jen. If somebody corrected my semantics every time I said,
"Muscle is heavier than fat" (which I say all the time and anybody hearing
it knows exactly what it means, of course), I'd be annoyed too.



Yeah, just like everyone says ....as heavy as lead. I think we're on the
same wavelength.

Good luck


Jen

"Willow Herself" wrote in
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Either way I think the expression is being widely overused in here, a lot
of people are assuming a lot about others.... generally without having a
clue what the h... they are talking about.

I had never heard the saying until I came here. But I agree with you--you
can't assume that someone is in denial unless you live in their skin.


Check in your mirror friends.. the person in there is the only one you
have the knowledge and the right to judge.

I don't count calories... I WI once a month, and it works for me...

I say that what *works* for you is what you need to do. And when it stops
working, you need to make adjustments. I know, for me, getting to know what
works for *me* has been a big enough job. I don't havetime to get to know
anyone else that well. But, then again, I can only give suggestions about
what works for me. And, fi that doesn't work for someone else, that's ok,
too.

"Jen" wrote in message
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"Edna Pearl" wrote in message
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Having read Beverly's response, I felt I understood better why you were
annoyed, Jen. If somebody corrected my semantics every time I said,
"Muscle is heavier than fat" (which I say all the time and anybody
hearing it knows exactly what it means, of course), I'd be annoyed too.



Yeah, just like everyone says ....as heavy as lead. I think we're on the
same wavelength.


I just thought of a better one. As light as a feather! So now everyone
thinks a pound of feathers is NOT the same weight as a pound of lead!

sorry, I couldn't help myself.



Jen

teachrmama wrote:
"Willow Herself" wrote in
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Either way I think the expression is being widely overused in here, a lot
of people are assuming a lot about others.... generally without having a
clue what the h... they are talking about.

I had never heard the saying until I came here. But I agree with you--you
can't assume that someone is in denial unless you live in their skin.

I have to disagree. I lived most of my adult life as a FFID. I think I
can determine if a person is a FFID based on what they say or write.
Besides, a person who is a FFID, or, perhaps more kindly, suffering
from a FFID disorder, doesn't know they have a problem. Living in their
skin doesn't tell you anything other than the facts the FFID is unhappy
and there's always a reason they can't lose weight.

Neil,
recovering FFID

"teachrmama" wrote in message
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"Willow Herself" wrote in
message et...
Either way I think the expression is being widely overused in here, a lot
of people are assuming a lot about others.... generally without having a
clue what the h... they are talking about.

I had never heard the saying until I came here. But I agree with you--you
can't assume that someone is in denial unless you live in their skin.


Check in your mirror friends.. the person in there is the only one you
have the knowledge and the right to judge.

I don't count calories... I WI once a month, and it works for me...

I say that what *works* for you is what you need to do. And when it stops
working, you need to make adjustments. I know, for me, getting to know
what works for *me* has been a big enough job. I don't havetime to get to
know anyone else that well. But, then again, I can only give suggestions
about what works for me. And, fi that doesn't work for someone else,
that's ok, too.



Exactly, I don't tell everybody that Weight watchers is the way to go. It's
the way that worked for me, I believe in it so much that I now work for them
as a leader, yet I know that it doesn't work for everyone.

One's success isn't a permit to judge everyone else..

Will~