Diabetes in India article

GrandpaChuck wrote:
Andrew wrote:
GrandpaChuck wrote:
Andrew wrote:
GrandpaChuck wrote:
On 13 Sep 2006 18:03:33 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.

Do you have empirical evidence that is true for people who have
followed the "eat right and exercise" advise? I doubt it.

If the mantra were a true way to help folks lose weight, the rates of
obesity would have decelerated.

Not really, with human nature being what it is.

This would explain a reduction in the anticipated effect and not an
entirely opposite effect.

When did you last meet any person who did 100% of what a doctor
recommended when it was something they did not want to do?

Yesterday.

No one wants to take the medicine their doctor has prescribed for them.

The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.

Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
experts.

They are gaining weight even faster because "eating right and
exercising" is a false mantra for lose weight.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...7b57d0fbf89ed?


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Americans killed in Iraq as of September 12, 2006 is 2,672. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 18,777 Americans wounded.
09/13/2006 it's 1232 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
More Americans have died in Iraq and Afghanistan then died in the attacks on 9/11. For what?

GrandpaChuck wrote:
Andrew wrote:
GrandpaChuck wrote:
Andrew wrote:
GrandpaChuck wrote:
Andrew wrote:
GrandpaChuck wrote:
On 13 Sep 2006 18:03:33 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.

Do you have empirical evidence that is true for people who have
followed the "eat right and exercise" advise? I doubt it.

If the mantra were a true way to help folks lose weight, the rates of
obesity would have decelerated.

Not really, with human nature being what it is.

This would explain a reduction in the anticipated effect and not an
entirely opposite effect.

When did you last meet any person who did 100% of what a doctor
recommended when it was something they did not want to do?

Yesterday.

No one wants to take the medicine their doctor has prescribed for them.

Taking the medicine the doctor prescribed is one thing.

Your question is nonetheless answered.

Following the
doctor's advise about diet and exercise is entirely different and much
harder to do.

Different but not necessarily harder to do.

Eating right: Many people have no problems with eating more fruits and
vegetables as doctors are advising.

Exercising: Many people have no problems these days exercising because
gyms have become commonplace with some even staying open 24/7.

The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.

The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.

The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
exercise."

Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
experts.

A very small minority of people, that is.

Your own comments earlier about alcoholics/addicts and the fact that
the "eat right and exercise" industry is making billions of dollars
indicate otherwise.

They are gaining weight even faster because "eating right and
exercising" is a false mantra for losing weight.

Show proof. There isn't any.

The proof is in the documented acceleration in rates of obesity since
the mantra was issued in the 1980's:

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
love unconditionally.

I pray my heart does not keep beating after my brain has ceased
working.

You wouldn't know the difference.


Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Prayerfully in Buddha's amazing love; and mine too.

Buddha is dead, while Christ Jesus lives and saves.

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...7b57d0fbf89ed?

GrandpaChuck wrote:
Andrew wrote:
GrandpaChuck wrote:

Exercising: Many people have no problems these days exercising because
gyms have become commonplace with some even staying open 24/7.

Have you checked into the cost recently?

Yes. Many around here are offering free trial memberships.

And for poor people without access to transportation.

There is always walking, which would be what they are already doing.

Many obese
people have flatly said they will not go into such a place where there
are so many lean people just so people can make fun of them.

Then they can go late at night when there are fewer people.


Do you know the people that
need it the most are the poorest with no access to such places?

The poorest in this world are not obese. Think about it.

Not all over the world; in the United States. I thought you knew that
was what I was talking about.

You did not make it clear because the poorest in the United States do
have access to such places.

The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.

The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.

The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
exercise."

Few and far between.

It seems you would claim that the reason for the accelerating rates of
obesity is because the number of people following the mantra "eat right
and exercise" are "few and far between."

Exactly.

The problem with this claim is that logically the rates of obesity
would remain steady if either the mantra had no effect or the number of
practitioners of the mantra were so "few and far between" that there
were essentially no practitioners. OTOH, the accelerating rate of
obesity is explicable only if "eating right and exercising" were
actually causing its practitioners to gain weight. Indeed, the latter
is exactly what is happening.

I don't believe that for one second.

Logically, it is undeniable.

About as long as I believe in
your phony two pound diet mantra.

The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither a diet nor a mantra.

Instead of "eat right and exercise", the mantra should have been "eat
less" from the outset.

If the latter mantra had been on the lips of doctors since the 1980s,
there would not have been the acceleration in rates of obesity that we
have seen:

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/


Bottomline: The oft-heard mantra "eat right and exercise" is a false
one for helping people lose weight.

Only so long as it isn't put into practice. Everyone of us knows
people who have done just that and lost tremendous amounts. Richard
Simmons is a prime example.

Richard Simmons clearly has eaten less.

Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
experts.

A very small minority of people, that is.

Your own comments earlier about alcoholics/addicts and the fact that
the "eat right and exercise" industry is making billions of dollars
indicate otherwise.

So you are seeing many fewer overweight people in the Atlanta area?

Most of the people I know in Atlanta are my patients, who are among the
leanest&trimmest people around because they have been using the
2PD-OMER Approach to lose weight while "eating right and exercising" to
become more fit.

I find it difficult to believe that you have any patients that know of
you background and loss of hospital privileges.

In truth, I have never lost hospital privileges.

Your bearing false witness is forgiven as far as I am concerned.

If I understand your
so called diet if I drink four eight ounce glasses of sugar free drink
per day I wouldn't be allowed to eat anything. Right?

Incorrect.

That is just
plain assinine IMNSHO.

It is simply incorrect.


Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Prayerfully in Buddha's amazing love; and mine too.

Buddha is dead, while Christ Jesus lives and saves.

BUL****!

Sorry the truth bother you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.

Truth doesn't bother me at all.

Your use of profanity betrays what is in your heart.

I just don't like to see the lies of the churches repeated as being
fact when they are lies.

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

Just another superstition.

Most assuredly without doubt, LORD Jesus Christ is the risen Savior.

"Without doubt"?

Correct.

As non-Christians if they believe that.

Born-again Christians know it.

Buddha never claimed to be a god.

Correct.

I don't believe Jesus did either, but the writers of the New Testament
put words in his mouth.

Actually, LORD Jesus Christ has been identified as GOD by several
witnesses that have reliably testified about the truth.

So what?

The truth is absolute.

Many people have claimed to have personally seen Buddha in
the flesh long after his death too..

As you have written, he is not GOD.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Don't quote your bible to me or other non-Christians please. I find it
offensive.

What I have written above is what I have heard while in the Holy
Spirit.

To understand this, simply surf the links below my sigs.

"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Agnostic Christian "Doubting"
Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.

And many people in the Middle East and Greece areas that were members
of other sects claimed to have seen risen dead holy people too.

None have been identified as GOD.

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.

Curing my diabetes?

Yes.

Gimme a break!

Which leg ?

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew

Prayerfully in Gods Unconditional Love that you may find the truth of
that love and accept all people as the brothers and sisters of God.

Those who do the will of my heavenly Father are already my brothers and
sisters.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating so that you will have the
time you need to find the way, dear neighbor Chuck whom I love
unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...7b57d0fbf89ed?

GrandpaChuck wrote:
Andrew wrote:

You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.

Since all sentient beings have free will why should we believe it was
given by god?

Because HE is the truth.

snip

You are purposely being obtuse and I tire of it.

Sorry this discussion tires you. Please forgive all my iniquities.

So you do not deny purposely being obtuse?

Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).


Try this: Put two one hundred pound sacks of sand on your shoulders.
Then walk to a fitness center that is at least three miles one way
from you house. Work out of two hours, not putting the sacks down for
even on second. Now walk back home and tell me how great you feel.
People that are grossly obese often carry at least that much excess
weight 24/7.

Again, morbidly obese people have no business exercising in the first
place because of significant risk of injury.

So you want to force them into the hospital until they are able to
exercise, or do you just want to throw them out with the trash and
allow them to die?

Neither.

If they choose to have their doctor(s) supervise their use of the
2PD-OMER Approach, in time they will most certainly without a doubt be
cured of their obesity.

Also, the trial memberships you suggest are normally for thirty days
or less.

One can then switch to a competitor ad infinitum. Lots of competitors
these days.

Wrong again. There are two large chains here and they share
information. The most time a person could get free would be a month
per year at each.

There are the smaller independents who do not share information with
the larger chains.

Not here.

Then there is not the demand perhaps because your community is using
the 2PD-OMER Approach to eat less to lose weight rather than buy into
the false promise of exercise for weight loss.

Logically it is a bald faced lie.

You are untruthful.

YOU are the liar - not me.

Name-calling simply shows that you are lost.

Name-calling?

Yes.

I merely stated a truth. That being the you lie and thus
are a liar.

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

One of us is untruthful.

Even the undiscerning can grope this one out with logic.

What then do you call it? How about "Dangerous Eating Plan"?

As if eating less were dangerous.

Eating and drinking only two pounds per day is probably very
dangerous.

Your hedging with "probably" reveals what is in your heart.

Okay. I will change it. Eating and drinking only two pounds per day is
very dangerous.

Bottomline: You remain consistently untruthful.

We have more than 625,500 people whose 5 yr experiences with the
2PD-OMER Approach prove that eating less down to the optimal amount is
not dangerous.

Indeed, writing firsthand as someone who has been using the 2PD-OMER
Approach for 9 years, it is the safest method of lasting weight loss on
the planet.

No. "Eat right and exercise" is not simply "eat less."

No, but eating less is part of it. Duh!

Actually, "eating less" is not part of "eat right and exercise",
because "what you eat" is not the same as "how much you eat."

However, people have been brainwashed into thinking they are the same.

Proof:

Simply ask someone "How much did you eat yesterday?" and witness how
this someone will typically answer with much detail about what they ate
yesterday but NOT how much unless they are using the 2PD-OMER Approach.

You haven't listened to doctors who recommend this approach, have you?

Your question is incoherent.

Bearing false witness for repeating what has been shown on a number of
links for years?

Repeating the false witness of others is bearing false witness.

They appear to have very valid proof.

Their appearances are a deception.

Are they?

Yes.


One man's lie is another man's truth.

Actually, truth is absolute.

Not always.

Always.


"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.

Jesus wasn't a Lord. He was a peasant.

HE is LORD.

HE is GOD.

"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- "Doubting" Thomas upon seeing the risen
Christ Jesus

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...7b57d0fbf89ed?

On 16 Sep 2006 10:29:42 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:


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Dear Mr. Chung,

Thank you for your interest in becoming an official Troll
for the alt.support.diabetes newsgroup. While your credentials
are most impressive and the examples of your work
(which we thank you for providing) do display considerable
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We will keep your on-line application on file for consideration
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Thank you for your interest in alt.support.diabetes.

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The Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet.

It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control.
Bottomline: I remain peanut-free.
May your BG and A1c get better,dear neighbor whom I communicate with unconditionally.
Greatfully, in Lizard-Spit's amazing love,

Be well, travel with a light heart and a low A1c [Gene, 3:16]

Gene Goldman
T2
Metformin, Actos, Lizard Spit
Consuming copious amounts of Aspertame-laden soft drinks with reckless abandon!

Give me NutraSweet over peanuts any day!