AHH, THIS CAN'T BE TRUE!!

"Kerri Ratliff" wrote in message news:befsc.87339$Fl5.17129@okepread04...
I just followed a link I believe that came from this newsgroup.
It says that eating things that taste sweet, even if they do not contain
carbs, makes your body think it has carbs, so therefore insulin is released?
It then has similiar effects to have eaten carbs? Examples would be lowcarb
cheesecake you might somtimes make, or maybe some lowcarb dessert?
Kerri

Another scary thought for you. Eating too many calories while sitting
on your butt will make you fat regardles of carb counts. AHHHHHH!!!!
NOOOO!!!!!!!!

Damb, Sammy , do I have to 'splain EVERYTHING
to your dumn ass???

Reb, I don't have time or fingerstrength to review all your references,

No real comment here, I just wanted to say that I like the word
"fingerstrength."


----
Andrew -- is it JUNE yet?

"Whatever happens in Unincorporated Clark County stays in
Unincorporated Clark County."
(Steve Harder-Kucera in alt.vacation.las-vegas)

"Sammy" wrote in message
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Reb, I don't have time or fingerstrength to review all your references,
but does that hold true for aspartame? Is Diet Soda allowable (ignore
caffeine for the time-being...)


Yes, aspartame is fine in the regard that it does not provoke an insulin
response. It is *possible* that aspartame (and citric acid, found in many
soft drinks) can affect ketosis, but it will not raise your insulin, and
absolutely will not slow down or stall weight loss (even if it does affect
ketosis).

Reb

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| Yes, aspartame is fine in the regard that it does not provoke an
insulin
| response. It is *possible* that aspartame (and citric acid, found
in many
| soft drinks) can affect ketosis, but it will not raise your insulin,
and
| absolutely will not slow down or stall weight loss (even if it does
affect
| ketosis).
|
| Reb


It always amuses me when people talk about absolutes with the human
body, without even so much as knowing one scrap of a person's medical
history.

essense|

"Reb" wrote in message
news:_ojsc.106803$xw3.6248991@attbi_s04...
| "Kerri Ratliff" wrote in message
| news:befsc.87339$Fl5.17129@okepread04...
| I just followed a link I believe that came from this newsgroup.
| It says that eating things that taste sweet, even if they do not
contain
| carbs, makes your body think it has carbs, so therefore insulin is
| released?
| It then has similiar effects to have eaten carbs?
|
| No. This is one of the myths low-carb food purists like to bat
around.
| This effect has been studied considerably and it has been
overwhelmingly
| demonstrated that artificial sweeteners do not by themselves promote
the
| release of insulin. Read for yourself:
|
|
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=9062523
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=7652029
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...st_uids=796401
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=8140158
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=3046854
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=3522147
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=3908628
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=6382247
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| (links may have to be cut and pasted in your browser)
|
| Most studies demonstrating any link between artificial sweeteners
and
| insulin response were done on rats and could not be replicated in
humans.
| Also, in most studies indicating an increased insulin response from
an
| artificial sweetener, the sweetener was given in conjunction with
glucose or
| sucrose, not by itself.
|
| So enjoy your artificial sweeteners without fear of an insulin
response.
|
| Reb


Interesting quotes from those studies:


'Analysis of area under the curve showed that mean insulin levels were
statistically significantly higher after aspartame than after
saccharin or unsweetened beverage in normal subjects only.'

'In 7 normal controls and 22 untreated diabetics, a single dose of 500
mg aspartame, equivalent to 100 g glucose in sweetness, induced no
increase in blood glucose concentration. Rather, a small but
significant decrease in blood glucose was noticed 2 or 3 h after
administration. The decrease in blood glucose was found to be smallest
in the control and became greater as the diabetes increased in
severity.'

Why would a persons blood glucose decrease if their insulin wasnt
going up? Add to the fact the person whose blood sugar is dropping is
going to get hungry.. I would say you have a problem.

The real question is, who funded these studies? Why were the test
persons all male? Why didnt they include insulin resistance people in
these test? The study mean nothing until you know what they were
testing for and more importantly what they didnt test on. The only
person it matters to is, to your own body.

essense

"essense" wrote in message
...
It always amuses me when people talk about absolutes with the human
body, without even so much as knowing one scrap of a person's medical
history.


As uncomfortable as you might be with the idea, there ARE absolutes with the
human body which are not contingent on one's medical history. In referring
to whether or not aspartame will prevent weight loss, "absolutely will not"
is perhaps a slight overstatement - but only very slight.

If you can find citations of clinical studies which show that aspartame
interferes with weight loss, I welcome you to post them.

Reb

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You know what's really good? Bacon.

On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:10:19 GMT, Reb wrote:

"essense" wrote in message
...
It always amuses me when people talk about absolutes with the human
body, without even so much as knowing one scrap of a person's medical
history.


As uncomfortable as you might be with the idea, there ARE absolutes with
the
human body which are not contingent on one's medical history. In
referring
to whether or not aspartame will prevent weight loss, "absolutely will
not"
is perhaps a slight overstatement - but only very slight.

If you can find citations of clinical studies which show that aspartame
interferes with weight loss, I welcome you to post them.

Reb

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You know what's really good? Bacon.



Your argument might be a good one, IF anyone's ever done such a study. In
other words, if there are no studies examining the link between aspartame
and weight loss, then your argument doesn't hold. And, who would fund
such a study? Certainly not the makers of aspartame.

--
Bob in CT
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"essense" wrote in message
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Interesting quotes from those studies:


'Analysis of area under the curve showed that mean insulin levels were
statistically significantly higher after aspartame than after
saccharin or unsweetened beverage in normal subjects only.'

But you neglect to mention the part after that: "...but the magnitude of
the difference was small and unlikely to be of physiological importance in
the absence of differences in glucose levels. Furthermore, the differences
could largely be accounted for by a decrease in insulin values after both
unsweetened beverage and saccharin, with no change from baseline after
aspartame."


'In 7 normal controls and 22 untreated diabetics, a single dose of 500
mg aspartame, equivalent to 100 g glucose in sweetness, induced no
increase in blood glucose concentration. Rather, a small but
significant decrease in blood glucose was noticed 2 or 3 h after
administration. The decrease in blood glucose was found to be smallest
in the control and became greater as the diabetes increased in
severity.'


Again, you're quoting out of context. The abstract goes on to say, "The
decrease in blood glucose was found to be smallest in the control and became
greater as the diabetes increased in severity. No significant change in
blood insulin or glucagon concentration during a 3-h period was observed in
either the controls or the diabetics."

*No significant change in blood insulin*...which was the whole point of this
thread, talking about whether or not artificial sweeteners induce an insulin
response. Clearly the scary quotes you posted are from studies which
indicate they don't.

Why would a persons blood glucose decrease if their insulin wasnt
going up?

Insulin sensitizing drugs are designed to do just that, and aspartame was at
one time being studied for such an effect.

Add to the fact the person whose blood sugar is dropping is
going to get hungry.. I would say you have a problem.

But studies have failed to show that consuming aspartame - even a lot of
it - increases food consumption or causes weight gain.

If you personally have a problem with *any* food or additive, by all means,
don't eat it. All I'm saying is that overwhelming clinical evidence (and
anecdotal evidence) indicates it does not by itself cause an insulin
response.

Reb

As many have said, I too wonder how much is physical and how much
psychological. I read a whole involved scientific explanation about why
you should only have artificial sweetners - I can't think of a good word
- maybe "anchored?" - with other food or they can trigger cravings. For
example, have diet soda with a meal rather than alone.

Dunno.


Barb



Kerri Ratliff wrote:

I just followed a link I believe that came from this newsgroup.
It says that eating things that taste sweet, even if they do not contain
carbs, makes your body think it has carbs, so therefore insulin is released?
It then has similiar effects to have eaten carbs? Examples would be lowcarb
cheesecake you might somtimes make, or maybe some lowcarb dessert?
Kerri

"essense" wrote

Interesting quotes from those studies:

Why would a persons blood glucose decrease if their insulin wasnt
going up? Add to the fact the person whose blood sugar is dropping is
going to get hungry.. I would say you have a problem.

They were fasting, other than the ingestion of the sweeteners. Bodies do
tend to use blood glucose over time, so it would not be abnormal to see the
bg levels drop somewhat even without increase in insulin. This doesn't
appear to be an issue here. Interesting studies, by the way.

HG