Flex Points - from another list!

I would never suggest that anyone else give it up. But it is working
pretty well. I know that as long as I stick to what has been my basic
menu, I'm doing well. It is the snacking where the extra points are
floating anyway. I know what my mid-morning and mid-day fruit (apple,
pear, banana, nectarine) are. Its the endless Ms Meringues and skinny
cows that I need to track and dried fruit. Oh, the food scale is
still needed to keep the lamb or beef within the 4 ounce range for a
serving. But the bake potatoes take car of themselves. The scale is
also needed for nuts if I add them. And I will generally eye ball the
blue cheese when purchased and divide it into whatever portions for
one ounce servings of those.

I guess at some point I would like to give up the journal, not have to feel so
obsessed. Then again, it may just be one of those things that is going to fall
into my obsessive/compulsive areas (and I wonder where my daughter gets it from -
lol). This week I have been a bit more lax about it, only due to other things on
my mind. I am finding that I still will journal, but have been doing it all late
in the evening ... more as a double check type thing. I also have found that by
doing this, my point usage hasn't changed at all ... still hitting the same
numbers. Today's saving grace was a phone call that came just as I got off the
treadmill and was ready to have breakfast ... ended up talking for 90 minutes,
skipping breakfast. It worked out ok, sonny boy came home from school early (as
well as daughter) so we went out for a wonderful lunch ... tilapia and grilled
veggies from my favorite mexican place! I slept through dinner, so ended up just
having some soup (Trader Joe's minnestrone in that kettle can is fantastic!). I'm
doing about the same as you ... fruit for snacks during the day, weigh meat only -
usually don't bother weighing fish or chicken. And potatoes are just ...... a
standard point count, period. I've been avoiding the blue cheese. I absolutely
love it, but is hard to fit it into a small amount of points. About once a month
I do splurge - figure on a limited basis I can get away with it.

I should have journaled this last two weeks!! I seem to be up 3-4
pounds. Maybe not - it might have been the 6 cans of tomato juice I
drank on the airplanes yesterday (sat).

I imagine the tomato juice could play a bit of havoc, as well as the airplane trip
itself. I seem to recall hearing or reading that air travel also contributes to
water retention.

I have not mentioned it before but I just returned from NYC.
Unfortunately, I was there to attend my dad's funeral. He passed away
last Sunday (a week today). I am doing okay. He went peacefully
after choosing to not undergo dialysis. He wanted the control my mom
never had at the end.

Oh Fred, I am so very sorry to hear this. I know your dad was ill when he visited
you, and had somewhat of a relapse when he returned home. You were talking about
moving him closer to your sister, so I thought he was doing much better. I do
hope he passed peacefully and didn't suffer. Please accept my late but heartfelt
condolences. I hope you will find comfort in your memories. Your dad sounded
like such a wonderful man.

Joyce

Thanks, Joyce. He did go peacefully. While it was sudden as for the
illness, we all had time to say goodbye.

Thanks again.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:32:34 -0500, Joyce wrote:


I would never suggest that anyone else give it up. But it is working
pretty well. I know that as long as I stick to what has been my basic
menu, I'm doing well. It is the snacking where the extra points are
floating anyway. I know what my mid-morning and mid-day fruit (apple,
pear, banana, nectarine) are. Its the endless Ms Meringues and skinny
cows that I need to track and dried fruit. Oh, the food scale is
still needed to keep the lamb or beef within the 4 ounce range for a
serving. But the bake potatoes take car of themselves. The scale is
also needed for nuts if I add them. And I will generally eye ball the
blue cheese when purchased and divide it into whatever portions for
one ounce servings of those.

I guess at some point I would like to give up the journal, not have to feel so
obsessed. Then again, it may just be one of those things that is going to fall
into my obsessive/compulsive areas (and I wonder where my daughter gets it from -
lol). This week I have been a bit more lax about it, only due to other things on
my mind. I am finding that I still will journal, but have been doing it all late
in the evening ... more as a double check type thing. I also have found that by
doing this, my point usage hasn't changed at all ... still hitting the same
numbers. Today's saving grace was a phone call that came just as I got off the
treadmill and was ready to have breakfast ... ended up talking for 90 minutes,
skipping breakfast. It worked out ok, sonny boy came home from school early (as
well as daughter) so we went out for a wonderful lunch ... tilapia and grilled
veggies from my favorite mexican place! I slept through dinner, so ended up just
having some soup (Trader Joe's minnestrone in that kettle can is fantastic!). I'm
doing about the same as you ... fruit for snacks during the day, weigh meat only -
usually don't bother weighing fish or chicken. And potatoes are just ...... a
standard point count, period. I've been avoiding the blue cheese. I absolutely
love it, but is hard to fit it into a small amount of points. About once a month
I do splurge - figure on a limited basis I can get away with it.

I should have journaled this last two weeks!! I seem to be up 3-4
pounds. Maybe not - it might have been the 6 cans of tomato juice I
drank on the airplanes yesterday (sat).

I imagine the tomato juice could play a bit of havoc, as well as the airplane trip
itself. I seem to recall hearing or reading that air travel also contributes to
water retention.

I have not mentioned it before but I just returned from NYC.
Unfortunately, I was there to attend my dad's funeral. He passed away
last Sunday (a week today). I am doing okay. He went peacefully
after choosing to not undergo dialysis. He wanted the control my mom
never had at the end.

Oh Fred, I am so very sorry to hear this. I know your dad was ill when he visited
you, and had somewhat of a relapse when he returned home. You were talking about
moving him closer to your sister, so I thought he was doing much better. I do
hope he passed peacefully and didn't suffer. Please accept my late but heartfelt
condolences. I hope you will find comfort in your memories. Your dad sounded
like such a wonderful man.

Joyce

Im so sorry to hear that fred,you have a lot of friends here
sara.
"Fred" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Joyce. He did go peacefully. While it was sudden as for the
illness, we all had time to say goodbye.

Thanks again.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:32:34 -0500, Joyce wrote:


I would never suggest that anyone else give it up. But it is working
pretty well. I know that as long as I stick to what has been my basic
menu, I'm doing well. It is the snacking where the extra points are
floating anyway. I know what my mid-morning and mid-day fruit (apple,
pear, banana, nectarine) are. Its the endless Ms Meringues and skinny
cows that I need to track and dried fruit. Oh, the food scale is
still needed to keep the lamb or beef within the 4 ounce range for a
serving. But the bake potatoes take car of themselves. The scale is
also needed for nuts if I add them. And I will generally eye ball the
blue cheese when purchased and divide it into whatever portions for
one ounce servings of those.

I guess at some point I would like to give up the journal, not have to
feel so
obsessed. Then again, it may just be one of those things that is going
to fall
into my obsessive/compulsive areas (and I wonder where my daughter gets
it from -
lol). This week I have been a bit more lax about it, only due to other
things on
my mind. I am finding that I still will journal, but have been doing
it all late
in the evening ... more as a double check type thing. I also have
found that by
doing this, my point usage hasn't changed at all ... still hitting the
same
numbers. Today's saving grace was a phone call that came just as I got
off the
treadmill and was ready to have breakfast ... ended up talking for 90
minutes,
skipping breakfast. It worked out ok, sonny boy came home from school
early (as
well as daughter) so we went out for a wonderful lunch ... tilapia and
grilled
veggies from my favorite mexican place! I slept through dinner, so
ended up just
having some soup (Trader Joe's minnestrone in that kettle can is
fantastic!). I'm
doing about the same as you ... fruit for snacks during the day, weigh
meat only -
usually don't bother weighing fish or chicken. And potatoes are just
....... a
standard point count, period. I've been avoiding the blue cheese. I
absolutely
love it, but is hard to fit it into a small amount of points. About
once a month
I do splurge - figure on a limited basis I can get away with it.

I should have journaled this last two weeks!! I seem to be up 3-4
pounds. Maybe not - it might have been the 6 cans of tomato juice I
drank on the airplanes yesterday (sat).

I imagine the tomato juice could play a bit of havoc, as well as the
airplane trip
itself. I seem to recall hearing or reading that air travel also
contributes to
water retention.

I have not mentioned it before but I just returned from NYC.
Unfortunately, I was there to attend my dad's funeral. He passed away
last Sunday (a week today). I am doing okay. He went peacefully
after choosing to not undergo dialysis. He wanted the control my mom
never had at the end.

Oh Fred, I am so very sorry to hear this. I know your dad was ill when
he visited
you, and had somewhat of a relapse when he returned home. You were
talking about
moving him closer to your sister, so I thought he was doing much better.
I do
hope he passed peacefully and didn't suffer. Please accept my late but
heartfelt
condolences. I hope you will find comfort in your memories. Your dad
sounded
like such a wonderful man.

Joyce

Thanks everyone for thoughts. It has been a hard week since my
birthday ended the week. But he had a reasonably long and happy life
and he visited here only last month.

Again, thanks, all.

Fred

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:07:10 -0400, "Tuna Fish"
wrote:

Im so sorry to hear that fred,you have a lot of friends here
sara.
"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Thanks, Joyce. He did go peacefully. While it was sudden as for the
illness, we all had time to say goodbye.

Thanks again.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:32:34 -0500, Joyce wrote:


I would never suggest that anyone else give it up. But it is working
pretty well. I know that as long as I stick to what has been my basic
menu, I'm doing well. It is the snacking where the extra points are
floating anyway. I know what my mid-morning and mid-day fruit (apple,
pear, banana, nectarine) are. Its the endless Ms Meringues and skinny
cows that I need to track and dried fruit. Oh, the food scale is
still needed to keep the lamb or beef within the 4 ounce range for a
serving. But the bake potatoes take car of themselves. The scale is
also needed for nuts if I add them. And I will generally eye ball the
blue cheese when purchased and divide it into whatever portions for
one ounce servings of those.

I guess at some point I would like to give up the journal, not have to
feel so
obsessed. Then again, it may just be one of those things that is going
to fall
into my obsessive/compulsive areas (and I wonder where my daughter gets
it from -
lol). This week I have been a bit more lax about it, only due to other
things on
my mind. I am finding that I still will journal, but have been doing
it all late
in the evening ... more as a double check type thing. I also have
found that by
doing this, my point usage hasn't changed at all ... still hitting the
same
numbers. Today's saving grace was a phone call that came just as I got
off the
treadmill and was ready to have breakfast ... ended up talking for 90
minutes,
skipping breakfast. It worked out ok, sonny boy came home from school
early (as
well as daughter) so we went out for a wonderful lunch ... tilapia and
grilled
veggies from my favorite mexican place! I slept through dinner, so
ended up just
having some soup (Trader Joe's minnestrone in that kettle can is
fantastic!). I'm
doing about the same as you ... fruit for snacks during the day, weigh
meat only -
usually don't bother weighing fish or chicken. And potatoes are just
...... a
standard point count, period. I've been avoiding the blue cheese. I
absolutely
love it, but is hard to fit it into a small amount of points. About
once a month
I do splurge - figure on a limited basis I can get away with it.

I should have journaled this last two weeks!! I seem to be up 3-4
pounds. Maybe not - it might have been the 6 cans of tomato juice I
drank on the airplanes yesterday (sat).

I imagine the tomato juice could play a bit of havoc, as well as the
airplane trip
itself. I seem to recall hearing or reading that air travel also
contributes to
water retention.

I have not mentioned it before but I just returned from NYC.
Unfortunately, I was there to attend my dad's funeral. He passed away
last Sunday (a week today). I am doing okay. He went peacefully
after choosing to not undergo dialysis. He wanted the control my mom
never had at the end.

Oh Fred, I am so very sorry to hear this. I know your dad was ill when
he visited
you, and had somewhat of a relapse when he returned home. You were
talking about
moving him closer to your sister, so I thought he was doing much better.
I do
hope he passed peacefully and didn't suffer. Please accept my late but
heartfelt
condolences. I hope you will find comfort in your memories. Your dad
sounded
like such a wonderful man.

Joyce

I've often wondered if somewhere, buried deep down in the subconcious, that they
have some idea that their time left here is limited. Maybe more of an urge to
finish things up? My dad hadn't been sick a day in his life, had just turned 65
so wasn't really *old*. The week before he died he had spent an entire week-end
cooking and freezing meals, packaging meds and drawing insulin needles for my mom
.... think he did about a months worth of the meds. He made the trek around
surrounding towns and visited his children and grandchildren - even held his
newest grandaughter (1 week old) which he had never done with any of the other
babies, he was afraid he'd break them. grin He went to work with both of my
brothers because he finally wanted to see exactly what they did and how they spent
their days. He passed very suddenly, no forewarning at all. We didn't actually
get to say formal goodbyes, yet we all did have a sense of peace from those last
few days.

There I go ... thinking again. G

Joyce




On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:17:24 -0700, Fred wrote:

Thanks, Joyce. He did go peacefully. While it was sudden as for the
illness, we all had time to say goodbye.

Thanks again.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:32:34 -0500, Joyce wrote:


I would never suggest that anyone else give it up. But it is working
pretty well. I know that as long as I stick to what has been my basic
menu, I'm doing well. It is the snacking where the extra points are
floating anyway. I know what my mid-morning and mid-day fruit (apple,
pear, banana, nectarine) are. Its the endless Ms Meringues and skinny
cows that I need to track and dried fruit. Oh, the food scale is
still needed to keep the lamb or beef within the 4 ounce range for a
serving. But the bake potatoes take car of themselves. The scale is
also needed for nuts if I add them. And I will generally eye ball the
blue cheese when purchased and divide it into whatever portions for
one ounce servings of those.

I guess at some point I would like to give up the journal, not have to feel so
obsessed. Then again, it may just be one of those things that is going to fall
into my obsessive/compulsive areas (and I wonder where my daughter gets it from -
lol). This week I have been a bit more lax about it, only due to other things on
my mind. I am finding that I still will journal, but have been doing it all late
in the evening ... more as a double check type thing. I also have found that by
doing this, my point usage hasn't changed at all ... still hitting the same
numbers. Today's saving grace was a phone call that came just as I got off the
treadmill and was ready to have breakfast ... ended up talking for 90 minutes,
skipping breakfast. It worked out ok, sonny boy came home from school early (as
well as daughter) so we went out for a wonderful lunch ... tilapia and grilled
veggies from my favorite mexican place! I slept through dinner, so ended up just
having some soup (Trader Joe's minnestrone in that kettle can is fantastic!). I'm
doing about the same as you ... fruit for snacks during the day, weigh meat only -
usually don't bother weighing fish or chicken. And potatoes are just ...... a
standard point count, period. I've been avoiding the blue cheese. I absolutely
love it, but is hard to fit it into a small amount of points. About once a month
I do splurge - figure on a limited basis I can get away with it.

I should have journaled this last two weeks!! I seem to be up 3-4
pounds. Maybe not - it might have been the 6 cans of tomato juice I
drank on the airplanes yesterday (sat).

I imagine the tomato juice could play a bit of havoc, as well as the airplane trip
itself. I seem to recall hearing or reading that air travel also contributes to
water retention.

I have not mentioned it before but I just returned from NYC.
Unfortunately, I was there to attend my dad's funeral. He passed away
last Sunday (a week today). I am doing okay. He went peacefully
after choosing to not undergo dialysis. He wanted the control my mom
never had at the end.

Oh Fred, I am so very sorry to hear this. I know your dad was ill when he visited
you, and had somewhat of a relapse when he returned home. You were talking about
moving him closer to your sister, so I thought he was doing much better. I do
hope he passed peacefully and didn't suffer. Please accept my late but heartfelt
condolences. I hope you will find comfort in your memories. Your dad sounded
like such a wonderful man.

Joyce

What a great sense of closure. Thinking is sometimes rewarding.

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:22:28 -0500, Joyce wrote:

I've often wondered if somewhere, buried deep down in the subconcious, that they
have some idea that their time left here is limited. Maybe more of an urge to
finish things up? My dad hadn't been sick a day in his life, had just turned 65
so wasn't really *old*. The week before he died he had spent an entire week-end
cooking and freezing meals, packaging meds and drawing insulin needles for my mom
... think he did about a months worth of the meds. He made the trek around
surrounding towns and visited his children and grandchildren - even held his
newest grandaughter (1 week old) which he had never done with any of the other
babies, he was afraid he'd break them. grin He went to work with both of my
brothers because he finally wanted to see exactly what they did and how they spent
their days. He passed very suddenly, no forewarning at all. We didn't actually
get to say formal goodbyes, yet we all did have a sense of peace from those last
few days.

There I go ... thinking again. G

Joyce




On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:17:24 -0700, Fred wrote:

Thanks, Joyce. He did go peacefully. While it was sudden as for the
illness, we all had time to say goodbye.

Thanks again.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:32:34 -0500, Joyce wrote:


I would never suggest that anyone else give it up. But it is working
pretty well. I know that as long as I stick to what has been my basic
menu, I'm doing well. It is the snacking where the extra points are
floating anyway. I know what my mid-morning and mid-day fruit (apple,
pear, banana, nectarine) are. Its the endless Ms Meringues and skinny
cows that I need to track and dried fruit. Oh, the food scale is
still needed to keep the lamb or beef within the 4 ounce range for a
serving. But the bake potatoes take car of themselves. The scale is
also needed for nuts if I add them. And I will generally eye ball the
blue cheese when purchased and divide it into whatever portions for
one ounce servings of those.

I guess at some point I would like to give up the journal, not have to feel so
obsessed. Then again, it may just be one of those things that is going to fall
into my obsessive/compulsive areas (and I wonder where my daughter gets it from -
lol). This week I have been a bit more lax about it, only due to other things on
my mind. I am finding that I still will journal, but have been doing it all late
in the evening ... more as a double check type thing. I also have found that by
doing this, my point usage hasn't changed at all ... still hitting the same
numbers. Today's saving grace was a phone call that came just as I got off the
treadmill and was ready to have breakfast ... ended up talking for 90 minutes,
skipping breakfast. It worked out ok, sonny boy came home from school early (as
well as daughter) so we went out for a wonderful lunch ... tilapia and grilled
veggies from my favorite mexican place! I slept through dinner, so ended up just
having some soup (Trader Joe's minnestrone in that kettle can is fantastic!). I'm
doing about the same as you ... fruit for snacks during the day, weigh meat only -
usually don't bother weighing fish or chicken. And potatoes are just ...... a
standard point count, period. I've been avoiding the blue cheese. I absolutely
love it, but is hard to fit it into a small amount of points. About once a month
I do splurge - figure on a limited basis I can get away with it.

I should have journaled this last two weeks!! I seem to be up 3-4
pounds. Maybe not - it might have been the 6 cans of tomato juice I
drank on the airplanes yesterday (sat).

I imagine the tomato juice could play a bit of havoc, as well as the airplane trip
itself. I seem to recall hearing or reading that air travel also contributes to
water retention.

I have not mentioned it before but I just returned from NYC.
Unfortunately, I was there to attend my dad's funeral. He passed away
last Sunday (a week today). I am doing okay. He went peacefully
after choosing to not undergo dialysis. He wanted the control my mom
never had at the end.

Oh Fred, I am so very sorry to hear this. I know your dad was ill when he visited
you, and had somewhat of a relapse when he returned home. You were talking about
moving him closer to your sister, so I thought he was doing much better. I do
hope he passed peacefully and didn't suffer. Please accept my late but heartfelt
condolences. I hope you will find comfort in your memories. Your dad sounded
like such a wonderful man.

Joyce

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 07:48:34 -0700, Fred
wrote:

I have not mentioned it before but I just returned from NYC.
Unfortunately, I was there to attend my dad's funeral. He passed away
last Sunday (a week today). I am doing okay. He went peacefully
after choosing to not undergo dialysis. He wanted the control my mom
never had at the end.

Although I have no intention of reading all 4,532 messages I missed
during my month away from the ng, I thank a higher power that I found
this notice buried deep within a thread I intended to mark as read.

I'm sorry about the loss of your father. In my training and work as a
hospice volunteer, I've learned how important it is for people to make
decisions about their own life, their own health, their own death. How
fortunate that he was in a position to do so. From your descriptions
of him and your relationship with him in previous posts, I picture him
as a very special man, a loving husband and a good father. You sound a
lot like him.

May you find comfort and joy in your memories. May you find solace in
your father's enduring presence.
--
Linda Parriott (aka Prairie Roots)
--
Prairie Roots
232/181.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

"Fred" wrote in message
...
I have not mentioned it before but I just returned from NYC.
Unfortunately, I was there to attend my dad's funeral. He passed away
last Sunday (a week today). I am doing okay. He went peacefully
after choosing to not undergo dialysis. He wanted the control my mom
never had at the end.

Sorry about losing your father. My thoughts and prayers go with you. It is
so important for them to have the control at the end of their lives. It adds
to the dignity issue of it all. It will take a few months before you fully
recover from his death. Hang in there.

Laura

THANK YOU, Prairie. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

He was in hospice the last week and they were wonderful.

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:30:18 -0500, Prairie Roots
wrote:

Linda Parriott (aka Prairie Roots)

Fred, I'm so sorry to hear about your father. I know how I felt when
my mom passed away. My heart goes out to you and your family.
Take Care
Catherine

"Laura" wrote in message ...
"Fred" wrote in message
...
I have not mentioned it before but I just returned from NYC.
Unfortunately, I was there to attend my dad's funeral. He passed away
last Sunday (a week today). I am doing okay. He went peacefully
after choosing to not undergo dialysis. He wanted the control my mom
never had at the end.

Sorry about losing your father. My thoughts and prayers go with you. It is
so important for them to have the control at the end of their lives. It adds
to the dignity issue of it all. It will take a few months before you fully
recover from his death. Hang in there.

Laura