My doctor just put me on Phentermine, what do you think of this?

You are right. I should have tried to contain myself a bit more. I
guess I have just gotten really tired of people that think they know
how easy it should be for me to get out of my situation, when I know,
FOR ME, it is NOT easy at all. I quit smoking 2 years ago, after
smoking 1 to 1.5 packs a day for 18 years. Do you know that it was a
drop in the bucket compared to losing weight for me? Some people
continually fail at their attempts to quit smoking. I didn't have one
single slip up. Matter fact, it was also the first time I ever tried
to quit. Which, makes sense really. Had I of tried earlier, maybe
before I was really ready, I could have failed and if I failed once, I
wouldn't be as hopeful on my next attempt at quitting and I suppose
that could continue on to many failed attempts. Just like losing
weight. Maybe if this was the first time I had ever tried to lose
weight, it would be as easy as Joni thinks it would be to lose weight.
Who knows.

"wsherry72" wrote in message
ups.com...

They don't justify it to you, but they do to me. It sure sounded to me
as if she was snubbing her nose at me. I mean, come on, someone tells
someone that is on an anti-depressant medication to basically stop
taking the medication, buck up and do it on my own? I think she was
very ignorant and rude in making that comment. There are many people
that snub their nose at fat people. This is exactly what she was doing!

You must bear in mind that posting a question to a Usenet group is a bit
like going down to the park & asking round what people think. You'll find a
mixed bag of answers, according to people's personal ideas & experiences.
You have to take the answers with a pinch of salt. Whilst it's true that the
answer to everyone's problems doesn't come in a pill, it's also true that
pills *can* help in many ways.

Some people derive satisfaction from doing things the hard way, there are
those who feel very proud to say they haven't even tried a diet soda, low
calorie or 'diet' substitute of any food in the past 10 yrs because they
only eat 'real' food. I also know people who won't take a painkiller when
they have a headache.

Since you're under medical supervision, if the diet pills are doing their
job, you experience no nasty side effects and they're not addictive then
there's no reason no to take them. Just being able to say 'I lost all this
weight without any help' is certainly NOT a valid reason.

I am sure working on it, can't do more than that. As I said, I came
here in the hopes of hearing some success stories. Something to give
me encouragment. I hoped to use this forum as a tool in my life change
journey.

There are some good success stories but, as with everything else, you have
to sort the wheat from the chaff, it's just like finding a property, a job
or a partner, there are a few that fit your requirements but many don't, you
have to keep looking...

As I said, I have been walking. I walk every night with my entire
family. We have been doing this for the past 2 years, however, there
were gaps of time in between that I would skip a day here or there.

Exercise is good but it's *not* the cure for every problem. What it does is
help you burn more calories so you can lose more weight without restricting
calories too far.

I have no idea how much you currently weigh, all I can say is that the
faster you [can] walk, the greater the benefits. If you walk with your whole
family you're probably 'strolling' rather than walking for exercise, I don't
know this for a fact, just assuming. This is what Fitday says about calories
burnt walking:

strolling (under 2 miles/hr) 97 cals/hr
walking slowly (2 miles/hr) 121 cals/hr
moderate pace (2.5 miles/hr) 146 cals/hr
brisk (3.5 miles/hr) 185 cals/hr

As you can see, the faster you walk the more effective the exercise,
however, the amounts burnt are rather modest, not even enough to burn the
calories from an average choc bar ;-(

And I look forward to continue reading your ranting You know, I am
and have always been a "say it as I see it type of person." I felt
Joni was mocking me, if you will, and I found it insulting. There is
just nothing worse than someone that has never had a weight problem,
some 110 lb perfect body woman telling ME how easy it would be to take
off some of those dreaded pounds. (certainly not saying Joni is a
skinny minnie, but she did jump in here and decided to judge my
situation based on her medication beliefs without even knowing much
about me. It was rediculous and frankly, I am still annoyed but it.)

Joni's reply was out of line, you just don't tell people to stop taking meds
prescribed by their doctor without even knowing them, however, it's down to
YOU to decide, if I was to tell you on this post that the best thing for you
is to do the 'tuna & water' diet would you start doing it today? No? Well,
why would you? Same thing with the meds...

I don't see a weight figure on Joni's posts, how do you know she(?) weighs
110lbs? For all we know, she(?) may weigh 310!

wsherry72 schreef:
As I sad, I have been exercising everyday. You know, I even said in my
OP that I have lost weight over and over in my life. I know how to
lose weight. I know how to exercise. And I know what you need to do
to lose weight. I am certainly far from a newbie to this. I also know
I must do something different this time in order to keep this weight
off. However, I also need to know it is possible! That others have
been succesful! Not that only 1 in a million over weight people have
been succesful. If I feel this is fruitless, then I will lack
motivation. I came here hoping to find motivation by those that have
been there before me.

I think it *is* possible. People on this newsgroup have done it. I'm not
at my goal weight yet, but I believe I can do it too. I don't know if
you'll find my story inspiring, but here goes:

I first started losing weight with Weight Watchers, when I was 80 kg
(~176 lb). It worked, but I was always hungry, and when I reached my
target weight I stopped going to meetings and started swelling up again.

In 1999, I was 101.5 kg (almost 224 lb). I lost over 20 kg eating low
fat and exercising (weight training), but I didn't keep it up and went
back up again - but not *all the way* back up: in 2002, when I was
around 90 kg, I discovered Atkins and Fitday, and I lost around 15 kg on
that (no exercise). But then I stalled, and I quit using Fitday. But I
continued eating LC, and I went up only a little, to ~78 kg, and I
maintained that for about 2 years without effort, because this time I
had really changed my way of eating.

Then I discovered that my weight had crept up again to 82 kg at the
start of this year. So I started entering my food (and drink, very
important) in Fitday again, and paying more attention to calories this
time and less to carbs. I still don't eat a *lot* of carbs, but I do eat
1-2 pieces of fruit again every day (yum!). I've lost almost 10 kg this
year, and I haven't even started weight training again (but I will, real
soon now). I *do* get some exercise, BTW: I do aikido 2x a week, and I
ride my bicycle there and also to work (both are about 20 minutes each way).

So I'm not quite there yet, but I *have* managed to lose a lot of weight
and *keep* most of it off. And I'm pretty confident that I'll be able to
reach my target and maintain it, with what I have learned about
nutrition & exercise (thanks to this ng, among others).

HTH,

Berna (101.5/72.6/~68 kg)

--
( )_( ) Berna M. Bleeker-Slikker
/ . . \
\ \@/ / http://www.volksliedjes.nl

i, you MUST be a therapist? I just love reading your posts here.
GOOD posts.
glo

I really believe that your meds (for depression need to be taken ! I
know what it is to have exreme depression and I couldn't deal with
weight loss until AFTER I got the head on straight. Being blue is a
terrible thng and changing one's diet is also a WONDERFUL thing that can
help the mood swings. You might find that just by changing what you eat
can alter your mood swings!! I have lost a whole person but first I
needed to fix my head. (269+/to 150) but the peace came WITH meds PLUS
therapy. Once you begin this journey you WILL want to fight to stay on
it. Better health IS the place to be. You have recieved WONDERFUL posts
here and if you have a printer please copy a bunch of these and keep
them where you can read OFTEN! I was even putting some things on my frig
to help me through. Once you are empowered you WILL become stronger &
stronger but you need to find the help from others. Please stay very
close to HERE! These guys are very WONDERFUL to help !!! Hey, we WANT to
help YOU Look at you !! YOU ARE BETTER ALREADY just because you are
starting to WANT help!!!! This journey can be fun!!! Stick like glue and
when it gets harder to stay just tell us about it. CRY HERE & CELEBRATE
HERE!! It WORKS!!!

THE BEST TO YOU!!!!
ANDHUGS

glo

First, I'll apologise for the top posting. I've read thru this entire
thread before responding, and want to address the OP and follow up
clarifications at the same time.

I looked at various information about phentermine, and am concerned
that it is an "-amine", like "amphet-amine" type drug.
It is physically and psychologically addictive. It stimulates the
central nervous system, and one hazard in taking it is not realizing
that you're tired. The pharmecological warnings for phentermine caution
against taking it if you have high blood pressure, hyperthyroid,
diabetes, and others that you don't mention as having. Your best
resource for information about drugs and their warnings is your
pharmacist; sometimes the best doctors make errors in prescribing, but
working with both the doctor and the pharmacist is a good way to make
sure that all of your meds are suitable for you.

I'm not suggesting that you drop any meds, just that you take a hard
look at them and their interactions. Fluoxetine doesn't work well with
phentermine because it inhibits the matabolizing process of the
phentermine, and because it raises blood serum levels of serotonin.
While the Prozac hasn't been associated with lesions in heart valves or
other cardio-valvular damage or disease, fenfluramine also raises the
blood serum levels of serotonin and, in other ways, behaves like
fluoxetine.

I would particularly question the use of a drug (phentermine) that
increases blood pressure and may contribute to hypertension at the same
time as blood pressure lowering meds are being used. Seems like a
problem waiting to happen.

Small changes spread over time in your eating habits is a good
choice. You basically have to re-learn what "normal" eating is *for
YOU*. Your 15 year old son, who is very active in sports and is
growing, needs more fuel than you do, and thus his "normal" is, as you
say, much higher than yours. Likewise, the support of your husband and
family in your process are extremely important. I have altered my
eating habits to mostly mirror my wife's changes over the last couple
years and, while I eat things that she won't or can't, I do it when
she's not there to be influenced by my choice of foods. For instance, I
don't sit and eat Reese's cups in front of her, or have mashed potatoes
with dinner while she's continuing a low carb diet ("diet" as in what a
person normally eats). That would be unkind of me at the very least.

Part of the small changes you make over time might include:
Get a good food scale and learn to portion your food by calorie as
well as carbs and fats.
Set a daily calorie intake goal (say, 2000-2500) and use FitDay to
monitor yourself. In time, portion control will become "normal"; it
just takes practice.
Find foods you like that meet your daily needs in carbs, calorie and
*flavor*; i.e. if you like brussels sprouts, a single portion of them
has about 80 calories and 5 net carbs. (we've discovered that a dinner
inclusive of a 6 oz. chicken breast, a single serving of Keto
spaghetti, with Carb-Control alfredo sauce, broccoli with Carb-Control
Chedder sauce and water is a filling, reasonably low carb/low calorie
dinner)

Your exercise plan sounds good, and I applaud your efforts! As time
passes, you can add a bit more of this or that exercise, possibly find
an activity that interests you or engages your mind while providing
exercise at the same time. The poster who mentioned bicycling and
Aikido is a good example of interesting exercise routines. (Aikido
ain't easy just because it's theoretically "soft") My wife chose a
different martial art than Aikido, partly because it's more available
to the whole family because I teach it.
One of the drawbacks to solo exercise is measuring results; the
results come, but it's sometimes hard to deep focused without others to
support you while doing it, and, honestly, others to compare yourself
to while you continue. This is where a good, adult oriented martial art
can be of benefit, in the following ways:
1. You can set and see results from short term goals.
2. As you continue, and others begin after you, you have a basis
of comparison between what *you* can do *now* versus what others of
similar age, regardless of physical size, can do *now*. (my wife is
amazed that she is in better shape *now* than another student twently
years younger and not terribly overwight, who recently began with us.)
3. Provides increased confidence. Seeing short term goals met,
finding support and entertainment among a group of people learning
definate skills and being able to acqure those skills yourself, all
help to increase your own self image and personal confidence. (this is
a supplement to the anti-depressants NOT a replacement of them)
4. Provides stress relief. The daily frustrations that we all have
can be worked out physically, leaving you more relaxed and refreshed
and able to examine the causes of that stress without being wrapped up
by it.
5. As a progressive exercise program, martial arts provides
increasingly difficult levels of exercise. As you become somewhat
comfortable at one level, you step up to the next and find new muscles,
new realms of puzzles to work out, and new volumes of sweat to
manufacture. One consequence of this is that, after awhile, the
beginning level (where you started) will be easy and casual and won't
even cause you to break a sweat. (guess what? you're now "fit"!)

Don't misunderstand me, please. I know very much how important
anti-depressants can be. I've been taking wellbutrin for near seven
years, and was on fluoxetine (80mg/day!) before that. Exercise itself
is not going to work, nor are drugs, nor are "diets" as you say. You
know all that very well.
You've made major advances in your efforts, you've had some strong
victories lately. Your fears are not groundless, but you might consider
them (as I do mine) as little demons which whisper lies to you; lies
designed to undermine your efforts to improve yourself and your life.
Your family clearly adores you, and your doctor is equally dedicated to
your success. You are doing wonderfully well, and have a bright future
that not only can you reach for, but that you can make brighter with
every goal that you set and meet, every success that you have, and
every new way you find to enjoy your success.

Very Best Regards,
mark evins
www.arkungfu.com

wsherry72 wrote:
I have been struggling with weight my entire life. I am so sick and
tired of being this way. I am fatter than I ever dreamed I would be.
I absolutely despise what I see in the mirror and often wonder why my
husband stays with me.


I have a lot of health issues. Diabetes, high blood pressure, high
cholesterol, overactive thyroid, sleep apnea, enlarged heart, fatty
liver and I am sure there are more but haven't been figured out yet.
Oh yeah, did I mention depression? lol It seems the weight is what
has caused every single one of my health issues.


I am 36 years and female.


I am currently on a ton of meds, but have recently been switched from
fluoxetine to wellbutrin. I am on my 3rd month of this switch and I
find that the wellbutrin doesn't help at all. I am so miserable and
wasn't feeling this way on fluoxetine. My doc says that fluoxetine
and

phentermine can't be taken together.


I finally get the doc to prescribe me this drug and I have to go off
the one drug that makes my quality of life feel so much better.
Yeah,
I have lost 36 lbs in the last 2 months, wonderful. Wish I felt like
I

have lost weight, I still see the same ugly person in the mirror.


Is it even possible to lose a lot of weight and keep it off without
surgery? I have lost and gained sooo much weight in my life, over
and
over again and always gain it back plus some. Is there anyway I can
lose weight this time and not gain it back? Am I destined to be
bed-bound because I am just to fat to move around?


sigh, hope someone has something good to say to me. I don't know
much
about phentermine, ok, I know nothing about it. What do you think of
this drug?

"wsherry72" wrote in message
oups.com...
Right Wendy. This was a concern of mine too. However, I am very aware
that I can only be on them short-term. You see, I woudln't even
consider it, nor would my doctor, but I am so overweight that I could
have a stroke any day. She and I both weighed out the pros and cons
and then decided which risks were more risky. And quite frankly, being
so overweight is more of a threat to me right now than the drugs. She
basically wants me to take off a chunk of weight quickly so that I can
get out of that very high risk category.

My concern is gaining weight back and then some. I have done this more
times in my life than I can count. I think I was 12 the first time I
went on a diet. I was probably 20 lbs over weight but thought I was
HUGE! I lost all the weight and then some. Then I gained it back and
ended up 30 lbs over weight and I went from there to more diets, losing
more weight and gaining it back, over and over again. But, the
difference is this..... Every time I went on a "diet", I kept the same
mind set. And that was "I am only on this diet long enough to lose
weight, then I can eat "normal" again" and "once I am thin, then I
won't have to diet anymore". Well, now I know this is not true. I
know that most people gain their weight back and then some and the
reason for that is because they keep this mindset. They think they can
go back to their old way of eating. And this is not the case.

It's good that you're realizing this - to me it was one of the most
important lessons to be learned. I was in a similar situation as you.
Overweight/obese since childhood, "dieted" since age 12 but never reached a
"normal" weight. Every diet resulted in a regain and then some until I
finally reached a pinnacle of 317 lbs. I could stick to a diet for months at
a time but then it would be disrupted for a variety of reasons and I'd never
get back on the wagon.

Finally I considered GB surgery because I was becoming hypertensive as a
result of my weight. I had already done Redux and it was great for a few
months then stopped working. The FDA recall and subsequent echocardiogram
scared me out of ever thinking of taking another weight loss drug. My
doctor encouraged me to try HMR, a very low calorie liquid diet, before
considering surgery. It actually worked. I reached a normal weight for the
first time in my life. I highly recommend it if you need to lose a lot of
weight quickly. I also recommend that if you do go in that direction that
you only use the VLCD portion for the first 1/2 of your weight loss and then
switch to one of their plans that incorporates fruits and vegetables and
real food for the last 1/2 as it will teach you to eat properly and give you
a chance to practice while continuing your weight loss. The program is not
cheap but it provides food, medical supervision, education, and support and
exercise is an integral part of it.

I don't recommend this often, but you sound so much like I was at one point.
I've even had a bout with agoraphobia where I could not leave my house for a
few months as a result of PTSD. Losing the weight didn't solve all of my
problems but it's a lot easier to deal with some things. I've kept off more
weight in the last 18 months than with any other diet in the past and part
of the credit goes to staying active in this group. It's not perfect and I
have plenty of work to keep doing because 30 years of bad habits and eating
disorders don't just go away, but I've made progress in leaps and bounds.

some of the changes I have made in my life, I have made slowly. And I
have made realistically. Changes I can tolerate for the rest of my
life. Some simple ones... quitting the regular pop. (ok, so this
wasn't simple at all because I hate diet colas, but found that there
are some diet drinks that I do like, finally, for the first time, I
have quit pop and switched to diet and stuck to it, it has been about
10 months since I have had a sugar-filled pop! and I used to drink 4-6
cans a coke every single day!) I have increased my water intake. And
because I get grossed out by so many things, I can only drink bottled
water, which makes it harder because it is more expensive to drink a
large amount of water. So, I am trying so hard to drink tap water. I
wish it didn't gross me out so much! I can't even eat ice from a
freezer because that grosses me out too. Only ice from bags of ice
work for me. But then, what can I put in with the ice if I can't
tolerate tap water? Anyway, that is something I am working on.

Whenever I'm sick I have a hard time with water and I'm also fussy about my
tap water. We have very tasty well water but sometimes I need to spike it
with a little lemon juice and a packet of splenda.

--
the volleyballchick

I am so glad you are getting treatment for your depression. And that it
may be working, too. Sometimes I takes more than one try to find a med
that works for you, so one way or antoher, there will be probably be one
that works for you. And if you can find ways to improve your diet even
before your depression ahs cleared completely, great. Even if that just
menas increasing the amount of slow carbs in your diet or having more
veggies, or whatever. FOod luck to yoU! I am glad you are on the right
track.

Ignoramus29808 wrote:
On 26 Mar 2005 21:11:34 -0800, wsherry72
wrote:
Joni has made some rather ignorant posts but they don't justify
you're passive aggressive behavior towards her.

They don't justify it to you, but they do to me. It sure sounded
to me
as if she was snubbing her nose at me. I mean, come on, someone
tells
someone that is on an anti-depressant medication to basically stop
taking the medication, buck up and do it on my own? I think she
was
very ignorant and rude in making that comment. There are many
people
that snub their nose at fat people. This is exactly what she was
doing!

I am not sure if joni is a "she", however, the best behavior on
usenet
is to "take what you like and ignore the rest". If you do not like
someone's opinions, it is your right to ignore that indidivual and
you
have great technical means to do so. I do not ignore joni's opinions,
but, like everything else, I try to look at them with critical
eye. joni had some good things to say before.


Funny how some people said nearly the same thing I said thruout this
thread, but I guess differently as it passed without pushing the OP
buttons. I think you overread too much into my original post. I never
said to 'throw away all your meds and buck up.' Thats your wording not
mine, so I think thats a sore spot you have heard from others who think
'its all in your head'. I dont think that, I never said that. (can I
underline that?) I think there is a time and place for some medications
and I realize some people can benefit from antidepressants etc, but I
think they should be rather a temporary solution and not a lifetime on
them with no therapy which everyone on antidepressants should be into
in combination IMHO. And this is just that, ya know MY OPINION. Thats
what you get in newsgroups, opinions, ideas, whatever, take em or leave
em.
Personally speaking, a lifetime on mood altering prescription drugs is
something I could not do. I would take vitamins/herbs or get into
alternative methods before you could make me take a synthtic
prescription drug that alters by brain chemisty and this comes from a
VERY addictive personality. This may be digging myself in deeper, but
what I said was 'forget the wellbutrin' (because you were about to
switch from a drug that you said WAS helping you, and I have heard bad
things about WB side effects) and try to be a little more introspective
in changing your lifestyle without using the next new invention pill
out there to make your life better, when there may be other ways to
that. Have you ever gone thru ANY type of therapy or just relied on
prescription pills? I dont recall reading that you had or not. While I
realize I cant evaluate your situation, my statements ARE in general
about how people can get wrapped up in depressants, antidepressants,
stimulants etc, it can feed an inner addiction that tells you that you
are nothing without these prescriptions that make you feel better about
yourself. Take em away, your problems still exist. Medication has a way
of masking things so that you dont see yourself from a third viewpoint
if you get what I mean and I was just trying to be the antagonist to
make you look to your innerself to maybe give you a bit of push you
just might need.
Thanks Ig, I love your posts too and thanks for occasionally standing
in my corner. And yes I am female and yes I have lost alot of weight
(100+) and still have way more to go (progress not perfection) yet I
dont broadcast it, nor glory in it, because thats just the private side
of me which I dont share online, but thats just me. I just try to help
people with a bit of gleaned info when I can and will always try to
remain introspective to those who cant seem do it for themselves. ;-)


joni

-------------------------------------

*and the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more
painful than the risk it took to blossom*

joni wrote:
Ignoramus29808 wrote:
On 26 Mar 2005 21:11:34 -0800, wsherry72
wrote:
Joni has made some rather ignorant posts but they don't justify
you're passive aggressive behavior towards her.

They don't justify it to you, but they do to me. It sure sounded
to me
as if she was snubbing her nose at me. I mean, come on, someone
tells
someone that is on an anti-depressant medication to basically
stop
taking the medication, buck up and do it on my own? I think she
was
very ignorant and rude in making that comment. There are many
people
that snub their nose at fat people. This is exactly what she was
doing!

I am not sure if joni is a "she", however, the best behavior on
usenet
is to "take what you like and ignore the rest". If you do not like
someone's opinions, it is your right to ignore that indidivual and
you
have great technical means to do so. I do not ignore joni's
opinions,
but, like everything else, I try to look at them with critical
eye. joni had some good things to say before.


Funny how some people said nearly the same thing I said thruout this
thread, but I guess differently as it passed without pushing the OP
buttons. I think you overread too much into my original post. I never
said to 'throw away all your meds and buck up.' Thats your wording
not
mine, so I think thats a sore spot you have heard from others who
think
'its all in your head'. I dont think that, I never said that. (can I
underline that?) I think there is a time and place for some
medications
and I realize some people can benefit from antidepressants etc, but I
think they should be rather a temporary solution and not a lifetime
on
them with no therapy which everyone on antidepressants should be
into
in combination IMHO. And this is just that, ya know MY OPINION. Thats
what you get in newsgroups, opinions, ideas, whatever, take em or
leave
em.

Joni, you said:
"Forget the wellbutrin, weightloss pills and searching for the
unatainable 'out there'magic bullet, only YOU can do this for YOURself!

Exercise gives you feelgood endorphins, adopt it and change yourself.
Visit Dr Phils website and read about the seven keys. You need to fix
your head before you do anything. Stop kidding yourself and get
serious!"
How do you suppose that saying "Forget the wellbutrin, the weightloss
pills and searching for the unatainable 'out there' magic bullet, only
YOU can do this for YOURself!" Doesn't mean the same thing as "Throw
away all your meds and buck up"? Do you suppose that saying "You need
to fix your head before you do anything." somehow isn't going to come
across as "it's all in your head", particularly following the part
about "forget the wellbutrin, the weightloss pills..."?
Perhaps you didn't mean what you said, or mean it the way you said
it. That is immaterial. Getting put out because someone misunderstood
you is worse than the person who took offense to the words you chose to
use.


Personally speaking, a lifetime on mood altering prescription drugs
is
something I could not do.

Could you use a wheelchair for the rest of your life if you were in
an accident and lost both legs? You think that losing your legs or
being in a wheelchair isn't going to alter your mood? You figure that
if you eat enough protien and calcium that the legs will grow back?
Chronic severe depression is serious enough to warrant medical
maintenance in the same way that losing your legs is serious enough to
warrant medical maintenance...just one is more obviously mechanical
than the other.

I would take vitamins/herbs or get into
alternative methods before you could make me take a synthtic
prescription drug that alters by brain chemisty and this comes from a
VERY addictive personality.

Do you really think that vitamins or herbs or alternative methods
aren't going to "alter your brain chemistry"? B-12 is generally used as
a stress palliative because of it's effect on "mood" and "attitude". A
good shot of B-12 will make one feel Much better. Why do you suppose
that is? Why do you suppose that athletes will "carb load" before a big
event? What do you suppose that does for them?

This may be digging myself in deeper, but
what I said was 'forget the wellbutrin' (because you were about to
switch from a drug that you said WAS helping you, and I have heard
bad
things about WB side effects) and try to be a little more
introspective
in changing your lifestyle without using the next new invention pill
out there to make your life better, when there may be other ways to
that. Have you ever gone thru ANY type of therapy or just relied on
prescription pills? I dont recall reading that you had or not. While
I
realize I cant evaluate your situation, my statements ARE in general
about how people can get wrapped up in depressants, antidepressants,
stimulants etc, it can feed an inner addiction that tells you that
you
are nothing without these prescriptions that make you feel better
about
yourself. Take em away, your problems still exist. Medication has a
way
of masking things so that you dont see yourself from a third
viewpoint
if you get what I mean and I was just trying to be the antagonist to
make you look to your innerself to maybe give you a bit of push you
just might need.

Well, just consider me an antagonist, making you look at your innerself
to maybe give you a bit of a push you just might need.

Thanks Ig, I love your posts too and thanks for occasionally standing
in my corner. And yes I am female and yes I have lost alot of weight
(100+) and still have way more to go (progress not perfection) yet I
dont broadcast it, nor glory in it, because thats just the private
side
of me which I dont share online, but thats just me. I just try to
help
people with a bit of gleaned info when I can and will always try to
remain introspective to those who cant seem do it for themselves. ;-)

"Being introspective to those who cant seem do it for themselves" isn't
anything but a difficult way to say "busybody". You sound like a new
age, wannabe hippie, that would rather live other's lives for them
rather than take care of your own. You seem to be saying that it's
better to come across as "holier than thou" than to mention your
experience and the reason for your position, and you seem to take
offense when someone doesn't like your tone of voice when you lecture
them as an antagonist.
Suck it up, Joni. You want to be self righteous, expect others to
call you on it.

Regards,
mark evins


joni

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*and the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more
painful than the risk it took to blossom*