Has anyone noticed?

Hell yes I want ice cream. Don't care much about bagels. One idiot's
crybaby is another person's inspiratio!

All hail Atkins, LeCarb, and Blue Bunny!

ADC
250/190/185

"Rich R" wrote in message
m...
Lots of angry fat people here. LC works, but most cry babies want their
ice
cream and bagels. Get thin, exercise, and stay healthy. As much as JC
ticks
me off, he is right in many ways.

Rich R.

--
The journey is the reward.

Hey Rich, I gather from this maybe you thought I had a "fat mindset"
because I was talking about the looks aspect of losing weight (new pants)
instead of the health aspect. Believe me, I am doing this for my health
too, but looking better and being able to wear cute clothes is a nice side
benefit, don't you think? I swear, I am not appearance obsessed, but I
used to be appearance oblivious, just didn't care what I looked like at
all. And the difference in my mindset now is that I do care, because the
outside and the inside are all connected. Good health leads to better
thinking and better emotional control as well as looking better. Also, I
am with you on the not looking for sweet substitutes, but not for the same
reasons. If other people want to, that's fine, but it's easier for me to
not want the real stuff if I'm not eating the fake stuff.

In article ,
"Rich R" wrote:

Hi Roger,

Not egging on a bit although eggs are 0 carbs. My point is simple. I was a
fat guy. Now I am a thin guy. Just got back from a long bike ride. For me it
is about health, not about cosemetics. As long as people are looking for
carb and sweet subsitutes, it is a losing battle. Staying healthy takes work
and at times not easy. I go off, too. But pay my penance on the tread mill
or my bike. Only on this WOE since june 09, 0003. So I am very much a
newbie.

Rich R.
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
Luna wrote:
:: In article ,
:: "Rich R" wrote:
::
::: Lots of angry fat people here. LC works, but most cry babies want
::: their ice cream and bagels. Get thin, exercise, and stay healthy.
::: As much as JC ticks me off, he is right in many ways.
:::
::: Rich R.
:::
::: --
::: The journey is the reward.
:::
:::
::
:: I'm not angry, and I don't want ice cream or bagels, and I exercise
:: and I love it!! Yet, you still told me I had a "fat mindset" and I'm
:: still
:: waiting to hear back on what that means. Seriously, I know some
:: people
:: here dismiss you, but I'm genuinely curious. Do you mean it in the
:: sense that I still think of myself as fat, that I'm more comfortable
:: being fat,
:: or what? And what specifically did I say that made you say that in
:: the first place? It was in the thread about my new pants, remember?
:: I'm choosing to take what you said as constructive criticism, since
:: this is a support group and people are here to support each other,
:: so I assume that you said it for my benefit and not to be mean, but
:: I am genuinely confused because I don't know what you meant by the
:: term and I don't know what I
:: said that prompted it. If you tell me what a "fat mindset" is and
:: show me the evidence of how I demonstrated it, then maybe I can
:: identify it in myself and work to change it. In the meantime, I'll
:: keep eating LC and working out and losing weight anyway, but if you
:: see some psychological pitfall in my way that I'm unaware of, I'd
:: appreciate the heads up.
::

IMO, he's just egging you on.....There is simply nothing to that
statement...if you keep working at it, you will fit into those pants. I
see
no reason to believe that you won't - given time. Neither does Rich, imo.







--
-Michelle Levin (Luna)
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna

Hi Luna,

You are a smart woman and I probably shot of my mouth too soon. Health
first, but yes, it is pretty cool when your pants fall off and you need to
buy some smaller ones. Keep going and I will, too. After all, the journey is
the reward.

Rich R.
"Luna" wrote in message
...
Hey Rich, I gather from this maybe you thought I had a "fat mindset"
because I was talking about the looks aspect of losing weight (new pants)
instead of the health aspect. Believe me, I am doing this for my health
too, but looking better and being able to wear cute clothes is a nice side
benefit, don't you think? I swear, I am not appearance obsessed, but I
used to be appearance oblivious, just didn't care what I looked like at
all. And the difference in my mindset now is that I do care, because the
outside and the inside are all connected. Good health leads to better
thinking and better emotional control as well as looking better. Also, I
am with you on the not looking for sweet substitutes, but not for the same
reasons. If other people want to, that's fine, but it's easier for me to
not want the real stuff if I'm not eating the fake stuff.

In article ,
"Rich R" wrote:

Hi Roger,

Not egging on a bit although eggs are 0 carbs. My point is simple. I
was a
fat guy. Now I am a thin guy. Just got back from a long bike ride. For
me it
is about health, not about cosemetics. As long as people are looking for
carb and sweet subsitutes, it is a losing battle. Staying healthy takes
work
and at times not easy. I go off, too. But pay my penance on the tread
mill
or my bike. Only on this WOE since june 09, 0003. So I am very much a
newbie.

Rich R.
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
Luna wrote:
:: In article ,
:: "Rich R" wrote:
::
::: Lots of angry fat people here. LC works, but most cry babies want
::: their ice cream and bagels. Get thin, exercise, and stay healthy.
::: As much as JC ticks me off, he is right in many ways.
:::
::: Rich R.
:::
::: --
::: The journey is the reward.
:::
:::
::
:: I'm not angry, and I don't want ice cream or bagels, and I exercise
:: and I love it!! Yet, you still told me I had a "fat mindset" and
I'm
:: still
:: waiting to hear back on what that means. Seriously, I know some
:: people
:: here dismiss you, but I'm genuinely curious. Do you mean it in the
:: sense that I still think of myself as fat, that I'm more
comfortable
:: being fat,
:: or what? And what specifically did I say that made you say that in
:: the first place? It was in the thread about my new pants,
remember?
:: I'm choosing to take what you said as constructive criticism, since
:: this is a support group and people are here to support each other,
:: so I assume that you said it for my benefit and not to be mean, but
:: I am genuinely confused because I don't know what you meant by the
:: term and I don't know what I
:: said that prompted it. If you tell me what a "fat mindset" is and
:: show me the evidence of how I demonstrated it, then maybe I can
:: identify it in myself and work to change it. In the meantime, I'll
:: keep eating LC and working out and losing weight anyway, but if you
:: see some psychological pitfall in my way that I'm unaware of, I'd
:: appreciate the heads up.
::

IMO, he's just egging you on.....There is simply nothing to that
statement...if you keep working at it, you will fit into those pants.
I
see
no reason to believe that you won't - given time. Neither does Rich,
imo.







--
-Michelle Levin (Luna)
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna

In article ,
"Rich R" wrote:

Hi Luna,

Yes, I did mean that fat people think of themselves as "fat", and have a
never ending struggle against obesity. But I think it has more to do with
the scale and how you look in the mirror with no clothes on. We have to
think about slimness as a health issue, not about fitting into a lesser size
pair of pants (although that is a good thing, too). In all honesty, I was
the same way, until I lost too much weight. For a happy slim life try this:

1. Eat low-glycemic carbs. This includes whole wheat pasta and stone ground
bread, veggies and oh yes, some wine.

Do I have to? I don't want bread or pasta, I really don't want it at all.
Pasta was one of those things I could eat unlimited amounts of and never
feel full, and I always got sleepy afterwards, even with whole wheat pasta.
I used to eat huge bowls of pasta with stir-fry vegetables, now I just eat
the veggies and I don't miss the pasta. I eat a really good amount of
vegetables though. Lots of stir-fry and salad.


2. Plan you carb blow-outs and they are never as bad as if you didn't plan
them

Totally. But I don't do "blow-outs" anymore, they make me feel sick
afterwards. I do small _planned_ treats, when we go to the Chinese buffet,
for example, I eat mainly salad and boiled shrimp, and allow myself one of
those crunchy things with the stuff inside, I think it's called crab
rangoon, and 2 pieces of sushi, and that is my carb treat for the week.



3. Exercise. 30 minutes a day. Walking or running. This keeps the weight
off. Weight training is good to remove the flab after losing the weight. But
I must admit, I am not doing much weight training.

I'm doing circuit training at Curves 3 times a week, it's alternating
weights and aerobic exercise. I've been getting a bit lazy on my off days
though, but I just got back into walking on my days off from Curves. My
excuse was the heat, but I should have known better. A day without
exercise makes me feel like a slug.


4. Check in with your doctor every once in a while, just to make sure you
are not hurting yourself.

Check-up is coming in November!

Thanks for the good advice, I am doing it except for the whole-grain breads
and pasta, I don't think I need that stuff. I might even have a wheat
allergy of some sort, since the last time I had a serving of pasta I felt
all weird and sick.



Rich R.

"Luna" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Rich R" wrote:

Lots of angry fat people here. LC works, but most cry babies want their
ice
cream and bagels. Get thin, exercise, and stay healthy. As much as JC
ticks
me off, he is right in many ways.

Rich R.

--
The journey is the reward.



I'm not angry, and I don't want ice cream or bagels, and I exercise and I
love it!! Yet, you still told me I had a "fat mindset" and I'm still
waiting to hear back on what that means. Seriously, I know some people
here dismiss you, but I'm genuinely curious. Do you mean it in the sense
that I still think of myself as fat, that I'm more comfortable being fat,
or what? And what specifically did I say that made you say that in the
first place? It was in the thread about my new pants, remember? I'm
choosing to take what you said as constructive criticism, since this is a
support group and people are here to support each other, so I assume that
you said it for my benefit and not to be mean, but I am genuinely confused
because I don't know what you meant by the term and I don't know what I
said that prompted it. If you tell me what a "fat mindset" is and show me
the evidence of how I demonstrated it, then maybe I can identify it in
myself and work to change it. In the meantime, I'll keep eating LC and
working out and losing weight anyway, but if you see some psychological
pitfall in my way that I'm unaware of, I'd appreciate the heads up.

--
-Michelle Levin (Luna)
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna





--
-Michelle Levin (Luna)
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna

Thanks Rich! I have a "shooting mouth" problem too, but moreso irl than on
the internet. You are a great example of why I always give people the
benefit of the doubt. I could have gotten my hackles up and spat back
something mean at you, but I chose to believe that you were genuinely
trying to help, and I was right. You're ok by me, just keep in mind that
yes, the journey is the reward, and we are all on this journey together, so
treat people with respect and kindness, and we can all make it through with
this great support system in this group. You're ok in my book, glad you're
on the journey with us.

In article ,
"Rich R" wrote:

Hi Luna,

You are a smart woman and I probably shot of my mouth too soon. Health
first, but yes, it is pretty cool when your pants fall off and you need to
buy some smaller ones. Keep going and I will, too. After all, the journey is
the reward.

Rich R.
"Luna" wrote in message
...
Hey Rich, I gather from this maybe you thought I had a "fat mindset"
because I was talking about the looks aspect of losing weight (new pants)
instead of the health aspect. Believe me, I am doing this for my health
too, but looking better and being able to wear cute clothes is a nice side
benefit, don't you think? I swear, I am not appearance obsessed, but I
used to be appearance oblivious, just didn't care what I looked like at
all. And the difference in my mindset now is that I do care, because the
outside and the inside are all connected. Good health leads to better
thinking and better emotional control as well as looking better. Also, I
am with you on the not looking for sweet substitutes, but not for the same
reasons. If other people want to, that's fine, but it's easier for me to
not want the real stuff if I'm not eating the fake stuff.


--
-Michelle Levin (Luna)
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna

Rich R wrote:
:: 3. Exercise. 30 minutes a day. Walking or running. This keeps the
:: weight off. Weight training is good to remove the flab after losing
:: the weight. But I must admit, I am not doing much weight training.

I honestly think that exercise helps, but the main way to keep weight off is
to monitor your eating. If you don't control that properly, exercise won't
keep you from being or getting fat.

Now, having said that, butch up and get back on your weight training, dood.

In article ,
"Roger Zoul" wrote:

Rich R wrote:
:: 3. Exercise. 30 minutes a day. Walking or running. This keeps the
:: weight off. Weight training is good to remove the flab after losing
:: the weight. But I must admit, I am not doing much weight training.

I honestly think that exercise helps, but the main way to keep weight off is
to monitor your eating. If you don't control that properly, exercise won't
keep you from being or getting fat.

Now, having said that, butch up and get back on your weight training, dood.





That's for sure. I didn't lose anything in a month of working out, until I
changed my diet. I think the exercise may contribute to the loss of fat
instead of lean body mass, though. Plus it's such an all around mood
lifter that it makes it easier to handle the emotional and mental aspects
of everything in life, including eating right.

--
-Michelle Levin (Luna)
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna

Hi Roger,

Sorry, yo are wrong. Diet is important, but exercise is the critical success
factor.

Rich R.
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
Rich R wrote:
:: 3. Exercise. 30 minutes a day. Walking or running. This keeps the
:: weight off. Weight training is good to remove the flab after losing
:: the weight. But I must admit, I am not doing much weight training.

I honestly think that exercise helps, but the main way to keep weight off
is
to monitor your eating. If you don't control that properly, exercise
won't
keep you from being or getting fat.

Now, having said that, butch up and get back on your weight training,
dood.

Tastes great! Less filling!! Ok, you're both right. You can stay thin and
eat lots of calories, if you work out like an athelete. You can stay thin
and be a lazy slob, if you barely eat anything. Exercising AND managing
what you eat gets you the best of both worlds, you can eat some yummy stuff
(but don't go overboard) and you can spend at least some leisure time away
from the gym (but don't go overboard).

In article ,
"Rich R" wrote:

Hi Roger,

Sorry, yo are wrong. Diet is important, but exercise is the critical success
factor.

Rich R.
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
Rich R wrote:
:: 3. Exercise. 30 minutes a day. Walking or running. This keeps the
:: weight off. Weight training is good to remove the flab after losing
:: the weight. But I must admit, I am not doing much weight training.

I honestly think that exercise helps, but the main way to keep weight off
is
to monitor your eating. If you don't control that properly, exercise
won't
keep you from being or getting fat.

Now, having said that, butch up and get back on your weight training,
dood.







--
-Michelle Levin (Luna)
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna

Controlling your weight is more about controlling calorie intake than
controlling calorie expenditure, because of simple logistics.

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"Rich R" wrote in message
...
Hi Roger,

Sorry, yo are wrong. Diet is important, but exercise is the critical
success
factor.

Rich R.
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
Rich R wrote:
:: 3. Exercise. 30 minutes a day. Walking or running. This keeps the
:: weight off. Weight training is good to remove the flab after losing
:: the weight. But I must admit, I am not doing much weight training.

I honestly think that exercise helps, but the main way to keep weight
off
is
to monitor your eating. If you don't control that properly, exercise
won't
keep you from being or getting fat.

Now, having said that, butch up and get back on your weight training,
dood.