Camp Cropper and The Two Pound Diet

Recently, I was "blessed" with a trip to Iraq having work at the now
infamous Camp Cropper outside of Baghdad International Airport and the
reopened penal facility at Abu Ghraib.

The food is rationed and includes beans, a few liters of water, canned
meat....well under two pounds per day and usually only in a single
meal (morning).

No one has died from malnutrition. There is not one fat POW in the
group (anymore). The incident of disease is far less than expected
according to the International Red Cross folks I spent a great deal of
time with.

I had the opportunity to talk with a number of very intelligent Iraqis
many who were part of the Deck of Cards. When I asked them about
their appetites, their hunger, to a one the responses were similar.
They had learned to adjust over a period of days and weeks but the
hunger cravings had been either severely reduced or eliminated all
together.

Would they prefer to eat more? Sure. Did they need to eat more? No.

The entire time I spent there, not one POW asked or attempted to bribe
me for more food. Tobacco? Oh, yes. Water?, Yep. Food? Not one.

The Simple Two Pound Diet works as advertised...even when it is
implemented on those who, shall we say, didn't exactly choose to use
it.

Mu_nstruck wrote:

Recently, I

I'm sorry. I missed exactly who this "I" is. Perhaps you can tell
everyone in these groups you crossposted to and are trolling who you
are. So we can see what you're about. You know, see if there's any
substance to you and what you say. See why your impeccable credentials
make you a formidable and truthful witness for events.

Just asking as a close, close friend.

was "blessed" with a trip to Iraq having work at the now
infamous Camp Cropper outside of Baghdad International Airport and the
reopened penal facility at Abu Ghraib.

The food is rationed and includes beans, a few liters of water, canned
meat....well under two pounds per day and usually only in a single
meal (morning).

A few liters of water? Beans? Canned meat? We feed them once a day?
And that should be a source of pride for us? That demonstrates how
humanely we're treating our prisoners? This is something you believe
to be good?

No one has died from malnutrition. There is not one fat POW in the
group (anymore).

When people are starving, they get skinny. Duh. Not dying from
malnutrition is a notable landmark in humane prisoner treatment to
you? This is a mark of success?

The incident of disease is far less than expected
according to the International Red Cross folks I spent a great deal of
time with.

I had the opportunity to talk with a number of very intelligent Iraqis
many who were part of the Deck of Cards. When I asked them about
their appetites, their hunger, to a one the responses were similar.
They had learned to adjust over a period of days and weeks but the
hunger cravings had been either severely reduced or eliminated all
together.

So let's see. You're in Iraq for some reason and you're spending a
great deal of time with Red Cross people and also high-level Iraqi
prisoners. And you talk about the 2PoundPOWDiet with them? You now
also speak Arabic, Farsi, Kurdish... Right. You went there and talked
about the diet. You went there because you're knowledgeable about the
cuisines of their cultures? You went there to talk to people who were
losing weight and being thirsty and you think it's some sort of
vindication of your illiterate dietary idea?

Did you go because you're a nutritionist? No, you aren't one. Did you
go because you're a doctor? No, you aren't one. Did you go to train
the prisoners how to maintain muscle on less than 2 pounds of food a
day? No, you didn't. Did you go for humanitarian aid? Can't imagine it
given your pronouncements. So why did you go and talk with prisoners?

Jayzus, you're transparent.

Would they prefer to eat more? Sure. Did they need to eat more? No.

The entire time I spent there, not one POW asked or attempted to bribe
me for more food. Tobacco? Oh, yes. Water?, Yep. Food? Not one.

We're not giving them enough water? Middle east, desert conditions and
we're giving them a few liters a day?

The Simple Two Pound Diet works as advertised...even when it is
implemented on those who, shall we say, didn't exactly choose to use
it.

Right. Put them in prison and let's make light of the whole situation.
Americans and Iraqis being killed daily and ****skull anonymously
heroic Mu talks about his delusional dietary twaddle. Crossposted, no
less. It's all about him. Every bit of it is about his stunted ego and
overdeveloped neediness. Looka me, looka me...

Good work demonstrating what you are and what you aren't so
graphically. Again. Oh please reply like you always do with all those
hooks dangling out of your mouth.

Pastorio

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:24:48 -0400, Mu_nstruck
wrote:

The Simple Two Pound Diet works as advertised...even when it is
implemented on those who, shall we say, didn't exactly choose to use
it.

All (low calorie) diets "work" on those who "don't choose to use
them". This is never questioned by anybody with more then 17 brain
cells. Whether or not the 2PD will work with people in the "affluent
west" where food choices are abundant can't be demonstrated by it's
"forced" implementation POWs in a third world country. (of course the
2PD *will* work if followed "with an ounce of common sense" as you
once put it, but so will any other low calorie diet)

Taking you at your word that you did go to Iraq, how many of the POWs
were obese before becoming POWs?. With the exception of some former
elites, I would guess that most weren't because Iraqis don't eat as
much as we do here in the good old fat USA. They probably ate 2 pounds
or its caloric equivalent when they weren't POWs.

So once again, the only thing you demonstrated is...

If you eat more then your body needs, you may get fat.

If you don't eat more then your body needs, you won't get fat.

If you are fat and you eat less then your body needs to maintain the
fat, you'll get unfat.

But then again, anybody with 17 brain cells or more knows that too.

BTW, I'm beginning to believe that we won't solve the obesity problem
until we can get to the point where those who would otherwise be prone
to obesity can maintain a weight that's healthy for them with
intuitive ad lib eating and without ANY dieting schemes or
paraphernalia. This would include journals, charts, points, calorie
counters, fat or carb gram counters, ketosticks, or food scales.

--
Ron Ritzman
http://www.panix.com/~ritzlart
Smart people can figure out my email address

If he went to Iraq...I'm the Woosh Fariy!!!!
All he has to contribute to anything is Two Pounds of Bullsh%$#.

MsDee

Bob Pastorio wrote in message ...
Mu_nstruck wrote:

Recently, I

I'm sorry. I missed exactly who this "I" is. Perhaps you can tell
everyone in these groups you crossposted to and are trolling who you
are. So we can see what you're about. You know, see if there's any
substance to you and what you say. See why your impeccable credentials
make you a formidable and truthful witness for events.

Just asking as a close, close friend.

was "blessed" with a trip to Iraq having work at the now
infamous Camp Cropper outside of Baghdad International Airport and the
reopened penal facility at Abu Ghraib.

The food is rationed and includes beans, a few liters of water, canned
meat....well under two pounds per day and usually only in a single
meal (morning).

A few liters of water? Beans? Canned meat? We feed them once a day?
And that should be a source of pride for us? That demonstrates how
humanely we're treating our prisoners? This is something you believe
to be good?

No one has died from malnutrition. There is not one fat POW in the
group (anymore).

When people are starving, they get skinny. Duh. Not dying from
malnutrition is a notable landmark in humane prisoner treatment to
you? This is a mark of success?

The incident of disease is far less than expected
according to the International Red Cross folks I spent a great deal of
time with.

I had the opportunity to talk with a number of very intelligent Iraqis
many who were part of the Deck of Cards. When I asked them about
their appetites, their hunger, to a one the responses were similar.
They had learned to adjust over a period of days and weeks but the
hunger cravings had been either severely reduced or eliminated all
together.

So let's see. You're in Iraq for some reason and you're spending a
great deal of time with Red Cross people and also high-level Iraqi
prisoners. And you talk about the 2PoundPOWDiet with them? You now
also speak Arabic, Farsi, Kurdish... Right. You went there and talked
about the diet. You went there because you're knowledgeable about the
cuisines of their cultures? You went there to talk to people who were
losing weight and being thirsty and you think it's some sort of
vindication of your illiterate dietary idea?

Did you go because you're a nutritionist? No, you aren't one. Did you
go because you're a doctor? No, you aren't one. Did you go to train
the prisoners how to maintain muscle on less than 2 pounds of food a
day? No, you didn't. Did you go for humanitarian aid? Can't imagine it
given your pronouncements. So why did you go and talk with prisoners?

Jayzus, you're transparent.

Would they prefer to eat more? Sure. Did they need to eat more? No.

The entire time I spent there, not one POW asked or attempted to bribe
me for more food. Tobacco? Oh, yes. Water?, Yep. Food? Not one.

We're not giving them enough water? Middle east, desert conditions and
we're giving them a few liters a day?

The Simple Two Pound Diet works as advertised...even when it is
implemented on those who, shall we say, didn't exactly choose to use
it.

Right. Put them in prison and let's make light of the whole situation.
Americans and Iraqis being killed daily and ****skull anonymously
heroic Mu talks about his delusional dietary twaddle. Crossposted, no
less. It's all about him. Every bit of it is about his stunted ego and
overdeveloped neediness. Looka me, looka me...

Good work demonstrating what you are and what you aren't so
graphically. Again. Oh please reply like you always do with all those
hooks dangling out of your mouth.

Pastorio

Mu_nstruck wrote:

Recently, I was "blessed" with a trip to Iraq having work at the now
infamous Camp Cropper outside of Baghdad International Airport and the
reopened penal facility at Abu Ghraib.

The food is rationed and includes beans, a few liters of water, canned
meat....well under two pounds per day and usually only in a single
meal (morning).

No one has died from malnutrition. There is not one fat POW in the
group (anymore). The incident of disease is far less than expected
according to the International Red Cross folks I spent a great deal of
time with.

I had the opportunity to talk with a number of very intelligent Iraqis
many who were part of the Deck of Cards. When I asked them about
their appetites, their hunger, to a one the responses were similar.
They had learned to adjust over a period of days and weeks but the
hunger cravings had been either severely reduced or eliminated all
together.

Would they prefer to eat more? Sure. Did they need to eat more? No.

The entire time I spent there, not one POW asked or attempted to bribe
me for more food. Tobacco? Oh, yes. Water?, Yep. Food? Not one.

The Simple Two Pound Diet works as advertised...even when it is
implemented on those who, shall we say, didn't exactly choose to use
it.

Thank you for sharing your story.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

Mu_nstruck wrote:

Recently, I was "blessed" with a trip to Iraq having work at the now
infamous Camp Cropper outside of Baghdad International Airport and the
reopened penal facility at Abu Ghraib.

Yup, that's quite a blessing for someone like you.

It's out bad luck they let you back.

The food is rationed and includes beans, a few liters of water, canned
meat....well under two pounds per day and usually only in a single
meal (morning).

"Coming soon, from the creators of the 2 pound a day diet, the ALL NEW
"Beans and canned meat once a day meal plan!"

No one has died from malnutrition.

You mean "No one has YET died ..."

There is not one fat POW in the
group (anymore).

How many fat POWs were there to begin with? Iraq isn't exactly Samoa.

I had the opportunity to talk with a number of very intelligent Iraqis
many who were part of the Deck of Cards.

Don't tell me, let me guess. You played poker with them.

When I asked them about
their appetites, their hunger, to a one the responses were similar.

I'll be they said "Get lost you pathetic loser!"

They had learned to adjust over a period of days and weeks but the
hunger cravings had been either severely reduced or eliminated all
together.

People who fast for several days say their hunger pains go away too.

Would they prefer to eat more? Sure. Did they need to eat more? No.

How do you know?

The entire time I spent there, not one POW asked or attempted to bribe
me for more food. Tobacco? Oh, yes. Water?, Yep. Food? Not one.

Pray tell, dear mu/roose, with what would they bribe you? Sand? Nail
clippings?

The Simple Two Pound Diet works as advertised...even when it is
implemented on those who, shall we say, didn't exactly choose to use
it.

There you have it, ladies and gentlemen, you too can lose weight by
enrolling in a concentration camp.

Hey, mu/roose, why don't you try to sell this idea to the corrections
board. I doubt even Texas would go for this because they'd consider it as a
cruel and unusual punishment.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:52:31 -0400, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Thank you for sharing your story.

Thank you for being a smarmy git.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:04:40 -0400, Ron Ritzman
wrote:

Whether or not the 2PD will work with people in the "affluent
west" where food choices are abundant can't be demonstrated by it's
"forced" implementation POWs in a third world country. (of course the
2PD *will* work if followed "with an ounce of common sense" as you
once put it, but so will any other low calorie diet)

The premise of the 2PDiet has been maligned by many on Usenet (not
you) and the premise has proven itself once again. The POW"s reported
a significant decrease in hunger, a large loss of appetite. many of
these folks were once aristocratic and many never had the addition of
manual labor (increased energy consumption) which, one would think,
should have driven hunger up.

It didn't happen.

Taking you at your word that you did go to Iraq, how many of the POWs
were obese before becoming POWs?.

From records and from personal observation, approximately half. Very
much like an American population.

With the exception of some former
elites, I would guess that most weren't because Iraqis don't eat as
much as we do here in the good old fat USA. They probably ate 2 pounds
or its caloric equivalent when they weren't POWs.

Nope, these were mostly affluent, upper class, so to speak, in
Cropper. They ate very American lifestyles except for the lack of
fast food. But then, upper class, affluent America is mot the major
customer of fast food.

So once again, the only thing you demonstrated is...

If you eat more then your body needs, you may get fat.

If you don't eat more then your body needs, you won't get fat.

If you are fat and you eat less then your body needs to maintain the
fat, you'll get unfat.

But then again, anybody with 17 brain cells or more knows that too.

Tell the folks who are responding differently to this thread then.

The fact that one has to repeat the obvious over and over again
doesn't reflect on the truth of the message just the abilities,
emotions, hatred and prejudices of the ones the message is aimed at.

BTW, I'm beginning to believe that we won't solve the obesity problem
until we can get to the point where those who would otherwise be prone
to obesity can maintain a weight that's healthy for them with
intuitive ad lib eating and without ANY dieting schemes or
paraphernalia. This would include journals, charts, points, calorie
counters, fat or carb gram counters, ketosticks, or food scales.

I would disagree and look, again, to the successes of the 2PDiet.

At some point, almost everyone tosses their food scales away. You
don't need them to assess volume and you stop wanting to eat too much
anyway.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:01:02 -0400, Bob Pastorio
wrote:

I'm sorry

Accepted.

Until you answer the questions regarding your quad bypass, your
smoking, your obesity and why, with all the information known to you,
by your own admission, you nearly killed yourself with a lousy diet,
gluttony, excesses and no exercise, you can keep your hands off your
keyboard and in your pants.

It will be the only thing you will have left to play with, Cheffie.
I'm no longer interested in your pitiful TROLLING and useless
demagoguery.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:52:31 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:

Thank you for sharing your story.

You're welcome.