Flexpoints???

Uhm..when I started WW four years ago it was called 1-2-3 points. My range
was 18-25 points daily. Now I suddenly heard the term "flexpoints" - how
does that work? Is it more effective?

Guess it all depends on who you talk to. Some seem to like it, others don't.

It is almost exactly like the 1-2-3 plan as far as points are concerned, when you
figure with flexpoints you aren't allowed to bank points (that's why they call
them flex - you can use them anytime you want). In 1-2-3 your range allowed you
175 points per week, plus activity points. In flex, you now are given a strict
daily target - 20 being what your old 1-2-3 range would be assigned. Based on
this you would work with 140 daily points PLUS 35 weekly flex points ... for a
total of 175 points per week. You can earn activity points, but can not bank them
- they must be used the same day they are earned. Another change between these
two programs is that in 1-2-3 there was no cap on the fiber grams when calculating
points. In newer programs, you can only use a maximum of 4 g fiber.

Where the complaints come in (and I still complain). WW replaced 1-2-3 with a
newer points program (winning points). In this program they lowered the daily
ranges by 2 points, so the equivalent of your old 1-2-3 range would change to
18-23. Banking was allowed. Based on this you were allowed 161 max weekly
points, plus activity points which also could be banked. So switching to flex
points from the winning points program, you have the allowance to consume 14
additional points per week. Many of us felt that adding 14 points per week
hindered our weightloss, or made it very difficult to refigure the maintenance
routine - so just stuck with the winning points program. One thing to definitely
keep in mind is that you don't HAVE to use those flexpoints (and if we don't then
it makes me think we still are going right back to the old winning points program
- only the banking is done for us. g).

Joyce

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:14:29 +0100, "Mette" wrote:

Uhm..when I started WW four years ago it was called 1-2-3 points. My range
was 18-25 points daily. Now I suddenly heard the term "flexpoints" - how
does that work? Is it more effective?

Thank you Joyce!

Ya know, I think Ill just stick to my good ol' 1-2-3 - it worked then and it
must work now)

"Joyce" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Guess it all depends on who you talk to. Some seem to like it, others
don't.

It is almost exactly like the 1-2-3 plan as far as points are concerned,
when you
figure with flexpoints you aren't allowed to bank points (that's why they
call
them flex - you can use them anytime you want). In 1-2-3 your range
allowed you
175 points per week, plus activity points. In flex, you now are given a
strict
daily target - 20 being what your old 1-2-3 range would be assigned.
Based on
this you would work with 140 daily points PLUS 35 weekly flex points ...
for a
total of 175 points per week. You can earn activity points, but can not
bank them
- they must be used the same day they are earned. Another change between
these
two programs is that in 1-2-3 there was no cap on the fiber grams when
calculating
points. In newer programs, you can only use a maximum of 4 g fiber.

Where the complaints come in (and I still complain). WW replaced 1-2-3
with a
newer points program (winning points). In this program they lowered the
daily
ranges by 2 points, so the equivalent of your old 1-2-3 range would change
to
18-23. Banking was allowed. Based on this you were allowed 161 max
weekly
points, plus activity points which also could be banked. So switching to
flex
points from the winning points program, you have the allowance to consume
14
additional points per week. Many of us felt that adding 14 points per
week
hindered our weightloss, or made it very difficult to refigure the
maintenance
routine - so just stuck with the winning points program. One thing to
definitely
keep in mind is that you don't HAVE to use those flexpoints (and if we
don't then
it makes me think we still are going right back to the old winning points
program
- only the banking is done for us. g).

Joyce

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:14:29 +0100, "Mette" wrote:

Uhm..when I started WW four years ago it was called 1-2-3 points. My
range
was 18-25 points daily. Now I suddenly heard the term "flexpoints" - how
does that work? Is it more effective?

Is anyone able to post, please, the "old" 1-2-3 range of points / day
for various weights?
Would be much appreciated.
Regards
Rick


On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:25:22 +0100, "Mette" wrote:

Thank you Joyce!

Ya know, I think Ill just stick to my good ol' 1-2-3 - it worked then and it
must work now)

"Joyce" skrev i en meddelelse
.. .
Guess it all depends on who you talk to. Some seem to like it, others
don't.

It is almost exactly like the 1-2-3 plan as far as points are concerned,
when you
figure with flexpoints you aren't allowed to bank points (that's why they
call
them flex - you can use them anytime you want). In 1-2-3 your range
allowed you
175 points per week, plus activity points. In flex, you now are given a
strict
daily target - 20 being what your old 1-2-3 range would be assigned.
Based on
this you would work with 140 daily points PLUS 35 weekly flex points ...
for a
total of 175 points per week. You can earn activity points, but can not
bank them
- they must be used the same day they are earned. Another change between
these
two programs is that in 1-2-3 there was no cap on the fiber grams when
calculating
points. In newer programs, you can only use a maximum of 4 g fiber.

Where the complaints come in (and I still complain). WW replaced 1-2-3
with a
newer points program (winning points). In this program they lowered the
daily
ranges by 2 points, so the equivalent of your old 1-2-3 range would change
to
18-23. Banking was allowed. Based on this you were allowed 161 max
weekly
points, plus activity points which also could be banked. So switching to
flex
points from the winning points program, you have the allowance to consume
14
additional points per week. Many of us felt that adding 14 points per
week
hindered our weightloss, or made it very difficult to refigure the
maintenance
routine - so just stuck with the winning points program. One thing to
definitely
keep in mind is that you don't HAVE to use those flexpoints (and if we
don't then
it makes me think we still are going right back to the old winning points
program
- only the banking is done for us. g).

Joyce

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:14:29 +0100, "Mette" wrote:

Uhm..when I started WW four years ago it was called 1-2-3 points. My
range
was 18-25 points daily. Now I suddenly heard the term "flexpoints" - how
does that work? Is it more effective?

Oh oh. I didn't realize that you can only use 4 fiber points. Thanks for
telling me.

Sandy

"Mette" wrote in message
k...
Thank you Joyce!

Ya know, I think Ill just stick to my good ol' 1-2-3 - it worked then and
it
must work now)

"Joyce" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Guess it all depends on who you talk to. Some seem to like it, others
don't.

It is almost exactly like the 1-2-3 plan as far as points are concerned,
when you
figure with flexpoints you aren't allowed to bank points (that's why
they
call
them flex - you can use them anytime you want). In 1-2-3 your range
allowed you
175 points per week, plus activity points. In flex, you now are given a
strict
daily target - 20 being what your old 1-2-3 range would be assigned.
Based on
this you would work with 140 daily points PLUS 35 weekly flex points ...
for a
total of 175 points per week. You can earn activity points, but can not
bank them
- they must be used the same day they are earned. Another change
between
these
two programs is that in 1-2-3 there was no cap on the fiber grams when
calculating
points. In newer programs, you can only use a maximum of 4 g fiber.

Where the complaints come in (and I still complain). WW replaced 1-2-3
with a
newer points program (winning points). In this program they lowered the
daily
ranges by 2 points, so the equivalent of your old 1-2-3 range would
change
to
18-23. Banking was allowed. Based on this you were allowed 161 max
weekly
points, plus activity points which also could be banked. So switching
to
flex
points from the winning points program, you have the allowance to
consume
14
additional points per week. Many of us felt that adding 14 points per
week
hindered our weightloss, or made it very difficult to refigure the
maintenance
routine - so just stuck with the winning points program. One thing to
definitely
keep in mind is that you don't HAVE to use those flexpoints (and if we
don't then
it makes me think we still are going right back to the old winning
points
program
- only the banking is done for us. g).

Joyce

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:14:29 +0100, "Mette" wrote:

Uhm..when I started WW four years ago it was called 1-2-3 points. My
range
was 18-25 points daily. Now I suddenly heard the term "flexpoints" -
how
does that work? Is it more effective?

It is not 4 fiber points. It is 4 grams of fiber per item when calculating
the points the old 1-2-3 program, had unlimited fiber grams, so it really
adjusted the points significantly.

Debbie

"Sandy W" wrote in message
news:nopKb.754654$Tr4.2120505@attbi_s03...
Oh oh. I didn't realize that you can only use 4 fiber points. Thanks for
telling me.

Sandy

"Mette" wrote in message
k...
Thank you Joyce!

Ya know, I think Ill just stick to my good ol' 1-2-3 - it worked then
and
it
must work now)

"Joyce" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Guess it all depends on who you talk to. Some seem to like it, others
don't.

It is almost exactly like the 1-2-3 plan as far as points are
concerned,
when you
figure with flexpoints you aren't allowed to bank points (that's why
they
call
them flex - you can use them anytime you want). In 1-2-3 your range
allowed you
175 points per week, plus activity points. In flex, you now are given
a
strict
daily target - 20 being what your old 1-2-3 range would be assigned.
Based on
this you would work with 140 daily points PLUS 35 weekly flex points
....
for a
total of 175 points per week. You can earn activity points, but can
not
bank them
- they must be used the same day they are earned. Another change
between
these
two programs is that in 1-2-3 there was no cap on the fiber grams when
calculating
points. In newer programs, you can only use a maximum of 4 g fiber.

Where the complaints come in (and I still complain). WW replaced
1-2-3
with a
newer points program (winning points). In this program they lowered
the
daily
ranges by 2 points, so the equivalent of your old 1-2-3 range would
change
to
18-23. Banking was allowed. Based on this you were allowed 161 max
weekly
points, plus activity points which also could be banked. So switching
to
flex
points from the winning points program, you have the allowance to
consume
14
additional points per week. Many of us felt that adding 14 points
per
week
hindered our weightloss, or made it very difficult to refigure the
maintenance
routine - so just stuck with the winning points program. One thing to
definitely
keep in mind is that you don't HAVE to use those flexpoints (and if we
don't then
it makes me think we still are going right back to the old winning
points
program
- only the banking is done for us. g).

Joyce

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:14:29 +0100, "Mette" wrote:

Uhm..when I started WW four years ago it was called 1-2-3 points. My
range
was 18-25 points daily. Now I suddenly heard the term "flexpoints" -
how
does that work? Is it more effective?

Thanks,
That what I meant.

Sandy


"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
It is not 4 fiber points. It is 4 grams of fiber per item when
calculating
the points the old 1-2-3 program, had unlimited fiber grams, so it really
adjusted the points significantly.

Debbie

"Sandy W" wrote in message
news:nopKb.754654$Tr4.2120505@attbi_s03...
Oh oh. I didn't realize that you can only use 4 fiber points. Thanks for
telling me.

Sandy

"Mette" wrote in message
k...
Thank you Joyce!

Ya know, I think Ill just stick to my good ol' 1-2-3 - it worked then
and
it
must work now)

"Joyce" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Guess it all depends on who you talk to. Some seem to like it,
others
don't.

It is almost exactly like the 1-2-3 plan as far as points are
concerned,
when you
figure with flexpoints you aren't allowed to bank points (that's why
they
call
them flex - you can use them anytime you want). In 1-2-3 your range
allowed you
175 points per week, plus activity points. In flex, you now are
given
a
strict
daily target - 20 being what your old 1-2-3 range would be assigned.
Based on
this you would work with 140 daily points PLUS 35 weekly flex points
...
for a
total of 175 points per week. You can earn activity points, but can
not
bank them
- they must be used the same day they are earned. Another change
between
these
two programs is that in 1-2-3 there was no cap on the fiber grams
when
calculating
points. In newer programs, you can only use a maximum of 4 g fiber.

Where the complaints come in (and I still complain). WW replaced
1-2-3
with a
newer points program (winning points). In this program they lowered
the
daily
ranges by 2 points, so the equivalent of your old 1-2-3 range would
change
to
18-23. Banking was allowed. Based on this you were allowed 161 max
weekly
points, plus activity points which also could be banked. So
switching
to
flex
points from the winning points program, you have the allowance to
consume
14
additional points per week. Many of us felt that adding 14 points
per
week
hindered our weightloss, or made it very difficult to refigure the
maintenance
routine - so just stuck with the winning points program. One thing
to
definitely
keep in mind is that you don't HAVE to use those flexpoints (and if
we
don't then
it makes me think we still are going right back to the old winning
points
program
- only the banking is done for us. g).

Joyce

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:14:29 +0100, "Mette"
wrote:

Uhm..when I started WW four years ago it was called 1-2-3 points.
My
range
was 18-25 points daily. Now I suddenly heard the term
"flexpoints" -
how
does that work? Is it more effective?

I think that is pretty much the same attitude many of us took ... if it ain't
broke, why fix it? I've become fairly accustomed to the flexpoint plan now, just
have to remember to drop off 14 flexpoints at the beginning of the week. I also
DO bank my activity points, and bank uneaten food points - but the weekly totals
come out to the same amount of points as the old program. I've had to make
adjustments because I do ww online, and their journal *forces* us to use their
flexpoint system.

Joyce

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:25:22 +0100, "Mette" wrote:

Thank you Joyce!

Ya know, I think Ill just stick to my good ol' 1-2-3 - it worked then and it
must work now)

"Joyce" skrev i en meddelelse
.. .
Guess it all depends on who you talk to. Some seem to like it, others
don't.

It is almost exactly like the 1-2-3 plan as far as points are concerned,
when you
figure with flexpoints you aren't allowed to bank points (that's why they
call
them flex - you can use them anytime you want). In 1-2-3 your range
allowed you
175 points per week, plus activity points. In flex, you now are given a
strict
daily target - 20 being what your old 1-2-3 range would be assigned.
Based on
this you would work with 140 daily points PLUS 35 weekly flex points ...
for a
total of 175 points per week. You can earn activity points, but can not
bank them
- they must be used the same day they are earned. Another change between
these
two programs is that in 1-2-3 there was no cap on the fiber grams when
calculating
points. In newer programs, you can only use a maximum of 4 g fiber.

Where the complaints come in (and I still complain). WW replaced 1-2-3
with a
newer points program (winning points). In this program they lowered the
daily
ranges by 2 points, so the equivalent of your old 1-2-3 range would change
to
18-23. Banking was allowed. Based on this you were allowed 161 max
weekly
points, plus activity points which also could be banked. So switching to
flex
points from the winning points program, you have the allowance to consume
14
additional points per week. Many of us felt that adding 14 points per
week
hindered our weightloss, or made it very difficult to refigure the
maintenance
routine - so just stuck with the winning points program. One thing to
definitely
keep in mind is that you don't HAVE to use those flexpoints (and if we
don't then
it makes me think we still are going right back to the old winning points
program
- only the banking is done for us. g).

Joyce

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:14:29 +0100, "Mette" wrote:

Uhm..when I started WW four years ago it was called 1-2-3 points. My
range
was 18-25 points daily. Now I suddenly heard the term "flexpoints" - how
does that work? Is it more effective?

That was another change that was made from the 1-2-3 program, to the Winning
points program. I believe the logic was that people were loading up on highfiber
items, counting them as zero or extremely low points in higher servings - and then
wondering why no weightloss (or minimal) was happening. So the 4g fiber cap was
introduced.

Joyce

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 02:50:59 GMT, "Sandy W" wrote:

Oh oh. I didn't realize that you can only use 4 fiber points. Thanks for
telling me.

Sandy

"Mette" wrote in message
. dk...
Thank you Joyce!

Ya know, I think Ill just stick to my good ol' 1-2-3 - it worked then and
it
must work now)

"Joyce" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Guess it all depends on who you talk to. Some seem to like it, others
don't.

It is almost exactly like the 1-2-3 plan as far as points are concerned,
when you
figure with flexpoints you aren't allowed to bank points (that's why
they
call
them flex - you can use them anytime you want). In 1-2-3 your range
allowed you
175 points per week, plus activity points. In flex, you now are given a
strict
daily target - 20 being what your old 1-2-3 range would be assigned.
Based on
this you would work with 140 daily points PLUS 35 weekly flex points ...
for a
total of 175 points per week. You can earn activity points, but can not
bank them
- they must be used the same day they are earned. Another change
between
these
two programs is that in 1-2-3 there was no cap on the fiber grams when
calculating
points. In newer programs, you can only use a maximum of 4 g fiber.

Where the complaints come in (and I still complain). WW replaced 1-2-3
with a
newer points program (winning points). In this program they lowered the
daily
ranges by 2 points, so the equivalent of your old 1-2-3 range would
change
to
18-23. Banking was allowed. Based on this you were allowed 161 max
weekly
points, plus activity points which also could be banked. So switching
to
flex
points from the winning points program, you have the allowance to
consume
14
additional points per week. Many of us felt that adding 14 points per
week
hindered our weightloss, or made it very difficult to refigure the
maintenance
routine - so just stuck with the winning points program. One thing to
definitely
keep in mind is that you don't HAVE to use those flexpoints (and if we
don't then
it makes me think we still are going right back to the old winning
points
program
- only the banking is done for us. g).

Joyce

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:14:29 +0100, "Mette" wrote:

Uhm..when I started WW four years ago it was called 1-2-3 points. My
range
was 18-25 points daily. Now I suddenly heard the term "flexpoints" -
how
does that work? Is it more effective?

That is the explanation we got from our WW leader.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
That was another change that was made from the 1-2-3 program, to the
Winning
points program. I believe the logic was that people were loading up on
highfiber
items, counting them as zero or extremely low points in higher servings -
and then
wondering why no weightloss (or minimal) was happening. So the 4g fiber
cap was
introduced.

Joyce

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 02:50:59 GMT, "Sandy W" wrote:

Oh oh. I didn't realize that you can only use 4 fiber points. Thanks for
telling me.

Sandy

"Mette" wrote in message
. dk...
Thank you Joyce!

Ya know, I think Ill just stick to my good ol' 1-2-3 - it worked then
and
it
must work now)

"Joyce" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Guess it all depends on who you talk to. Some seem to like it,
others
don't.

It is almost exactly like the 1-2-3 plan as far as points are
concerned,
when you
figure with flexpoints you aren't allowed to bank points (that's why
they
call
them flex - you can use them anytime you want). In 1-2-3 your range
allowed you
175 points per week, plus activity points. In flex, you now are
given a
strict
daily target - 20 being what your old 1-2-3 range would be assigned.
Based on
this you would work with 140 daily points PLUS 35 weekly flex points
....
for a
total of 175 points per week. You can earn activity points, but can
not
bank them
- they must be used the same day they are earned. Another change
between
these
two programs is that in 1-2-3 there was no cap on the fiber grams
when
calculating
points. In newer programs, you can only use a maximum of 4 g fiber.

Where the complaints come in (and I still complain). WW replaced
1-2-3
with a
newer points program (winning points). In this program they lowered
the
daily
ranges by 2 points, so the equivalent of your old 1-2-3 range would
change
to
18-23. Banking was allowed. Based on this you were allowed 161 max
weekly
points, plus activity points which also could be banked. So
switching
to
flex
points from the winning points program, you have the allowance to
consume
14
additional points per week. Many of us felt that adding 14 points
per
week
hindered our weightloss, or made it very difficult to refigure the
maintenance
routine - so just stuck with the winning points program. One thing
to
definitely
keep in mind is that you don't HAVE to use those flexpoints (and if
we
don't then
it makes me think we still are going right back to the old winning
points
program
- only the banking is done for us. g).

Joyce

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:14:29 +0100, "Mette"
wrote:

Uhm..when I started WW four years ago it was called 1-2-3 points. My
range
was 18-25 points daily. Now I suddenly heard the term "flexpoints" -
how
does that work? Is it more effective?